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4/7/2012 11:00:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I thought this video would help you guys out.
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4/7/2012 11:29:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
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4/7/2012 11:30:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
OMG, "money is a symbol for desire."

This is hilarious. I think Marx said something similar for this.
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4/7/2012 11:35:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/7/2012 11:30:13 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
OMG, "money is a symbol for desire."

This is hilarious. I think Marx said something similar for this.

Yea, that was ridiculous stupid, even though I'm far from left-wing.

By that logic, Bill Gates just has more desire then a poor person, since he has more money.

How much you pay for something is partially based on how much you desire it, but it is hardly a symbol for desire.
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4/7/2012 11:37:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I was always under the impression that money is a symbol for time spent working............
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4/7/2012 11:47:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/7/2012 11:37:52 PM, Oryus wrote:
I was always under the impression that money is a symbol for time spent working............

again, also wrong since different work has different pay, and the definition of work is a social construct. Is it working If I sell my sperm for profit rather then put it in the trash? Both require the same action, but one receives money for one action but not the other.
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4/7/2012 11:49:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Yep, that's completely intellectual. Way over my liberal brain but he sounds like he really knows what he is talking about so I'll just go with it. Thank you!
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4/7/2012 11:54:01 PM
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4/7/2012 11:55:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/7/2012 11:47:18 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 4/7/2012 11:37:52 PM, Oryus wrote:
I was always under the impression that money is a symbol for time spent working............

again, also wrong since different work has different pay, and the definition of work is a social construct. Is it working If I sell my sperm for profit rather then put it in the trash? Both require the same action, but one receives money for one action but not the other.

Yes, some people's time spent working is worth more money/hour or year but it's still time spent working nonetheless.

But I was talking about it from the perspective of a consumer only, I suppose. It's still more broad than that.

Money, money, money. It's a symbol for a lot of things. Goods and services.
Stay-at-home moms don't get paid for the work that they do but if one wants someone else to do that work, they are paid. Money could be a symbol for almost anything up to and including living things.

Would you not agree that it is a symbol for what it can be exchanged for?

$100=1 cat from the humane society or
100 lollipops or
10 hours of work from a person who gets paid $10 an hour or
groceries or
a few tanks of gas or
etc. etc.
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4/8/2012 12:02:57 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/7/2012 11:55:29 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 4/7/2012 11:47:18 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 4/7/2012 11:37:52 PM, Oryus wrote:
I was always under the impression that money is a symbol for time spent working............

again, also wrong since different work has different pay, and the definition of work is a social construct. Is it working If I sell my sperm for profit rather then put it in the trash? Both require the same action, but one receives money for one action but not the other.

Yes, some people's time spent working is worth more money/hour or year but it's still time spent working nonetheless.

So its only part of the equaton but not the full equation. Just like desire is part of what you spend your money on, but not completely.

But I was talking about it from the perspective of a consumer only, I suppose. It's still more broad than that.

Same can be applied for the whole money and desired. However, it doesn't make sense to apply stuff on an individualized based/open system when money is exchanged in a closed system.

Money, money, money. It's a symbol for a lot of things. Goods and services.

It's a liquid medium of exchange, as defined by most economist.

Stay-at-home moms don't get paid for the work that they do but if one wants someone else to do that work, they are paid. Money could be a symbol for almost anything up to and including living things.

Would you not agree that it is a symbol for what it can be exchanged for?

A liquid medium of exchange.

$100=1 cat from the humane society or
100 lollipops or
10 hours of work from a person who gets paid $10 an hour or
groceries or
a few tanks of gas or
etc. etc.

Of course prices are not static.
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4/8/2012 12:06:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/8/2012 12:02:57 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 4/7/2012 11:55:29 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 4/7/2012 11:47:18 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 4/7/2012 11:37:52 PM, Oryus wrote:
I was always under the impression that money is a symbol for time spent working............

again, also wrong since different work has different pay, and the definition of work is a social construct. Is it working If I sell my sperm for profit rather then put it in the trash? Both require the same action, but one receives money for one action but not the other.

Yes, some people's time spent working is worth more money/hour or year but it's still time spent working nonetheless.

So its only part of the equaton but not the full equation. Just like desire is part of what you spend your money on, but not completely.

But I was talking about it from the perspective of a consumer only, I suppose. It's still more broad than that.

Same can be applied for the whole money and desired. However, it doesn't make sense to apply stuff on an individualized based/open system when money is exchanged in a closed system.

Money, money, money. It's a symbol for a lot of things. Goods and services.

It's a liquid medium of exchange, as defined by most economist.

Stay-at-home moms don't get paid for the work that they do but if one wants someone else to do that work, they are paid. Money could be a symbol for almost anything up to and including living things.

Would you not agree that it is a symbol for what it can be exchanged for?

A liquid medium of exchange.

$100=1 cat from the humane society or
100 lollipops or
10 hours of work from a person who gets paid $10 an hour or
groceries or
a few tanks of gas or
etc. etc.

Of course prices are not static.

Right-O. "Liquid medium of exchange" is pretty succinct.
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: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
:
: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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4/8/2012 7:20:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
"and a few rules to make sure the market stays fair".

Like IPR protection, anti-monopolies, freezing prices to make sure people do not take advantage of others, trade unions...

oh wait, we're now not really conservative anymore...
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4/8/2012 10:10:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
This one is my favorite of his.
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4/8/2012 10:15:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/8/2012 10:10:47 AM, Reasoning wrote:
This one is my favorite of his.

really?
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4/8/2012 10:29:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Or in England where it's the other way around" is my favorite line.
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4/8/2012 3:46:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/7/2012 11:54:01 PM, imabench wrote:
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4/8/2012 4:41:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/8/2012 10:10:47 AM, Reasoning wrote:
This one is my favorite of his.

He's not a bad person. He's just trolling
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4/8/2012 5:52:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/8/2012 4:41:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 4/8/2012 10:10:47 AM, Reasoning wrote:
This one is my favorite of his.

He's not a bad person. He's just trolling

I agree Ike. He knows that most Liberals and Progressives are smart.
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4/8/2012 6:00:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Is Klavan serious? I am sure he's just trolling...
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