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Rhodesia: British Colony to Zimbabwe

Reasoning
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4/16/2012 10:58:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
We should learn a lesson from what happened to the once great land of Rhodesia.
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4/16/2012 11:05:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/16/2012 10:58:18 PM, Reasoning wrote:
We should learn a lesson from what happened to the once great land of Rhodesia.

What should we learn from this? Ought we "take up the white man's burden?"
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4/17/2012 10:17:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/16/2012 11:05:57 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
What should we learn from this? Ought we "take up the white man's burden?"

Look at Rhodesia before and after it became Zimbabwe. Look at South Africa before and after apartheid.
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4/17/2012 10:19:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/17/2012 10:17:37 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/16/2012 11:05:57 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
What should we learn from this? Ought we "take up the white man's burden?"

Look at Rhodesia before and after it became Zimbabwe. Look at South Africa before and after apartheid.

So apartheid was good?

I am asking you what should be done about the situation.

Do you need your "guiding light" to answer my question?
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4/18/2012 5:16:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
In other words, the only thing that matters is the country's finance, not anything else.

Also, Apartheid South Africa didn't count the wealth of black people in any of the surveys on GDP.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to be Gay, he'll positively influence the GDP.

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4/18/2012 10:55:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/17/2012 10:19:38 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/17/2012 10:17:37 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/16/2012 11:05:57 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
What should we learn from this? Ought we "take up the white man's burden?"

Look at Rhodesia before and after it became Zimbabwe. Look at South Africa before and after apartheid.

So apartheid was good?

I am asking you what should be done about the situation.

Do you need your "guiding light" to answer my question?

From 1994 to 2001, violent crime increased by 33% in South Africa. Unemployment has continued to increase. The AIDS rate, and deaths from AIDS, have also increased since the end of apartheid. And then there's the Boer genocide.
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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4/18/2012 11:01:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/18/2012 10:55:40 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/17/2012 10:19:38 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/17/2012 10:17:37 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/16/2012 11:05:57 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
What should we learn from this? Ought we "take up the white man's burden?"

Look at Rhodesia before and after it became Zimbabwe. Look at South Africa before and after apartheid.

So apartheid was good?

I am asking you what should be done about the situation.

Do you need your "guiding light" to answer my question?

From 1994 to 2001, violent crime increased by 33% in South Africa. Unemployment has continued to increase. The AIDS rate, and deaths from AIDS, have also increased since the end of apartheid. And then there's the Boer genocide.

The AIDS rate doesn't count since AIDS bloomed in the late 1980s. Apartheid existed long before then.

So, I take it you support repressive elitist regimes?
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4/18/2012 12:19:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/18/2012 11:01:55 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
So, I take it you support repressive elitist regimes?

I support lower crime rates, lower unemployment rates, and longer life expectancy.
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4/18/2012 12:22:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/18/2012 12:19:54 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 11:01:55 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
So, I take it you support repressive elitist regimes?

I support lower crime rates, lower unemployment rates, and longer life expectancy.

At 4/18/2012 5:16:06 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:

Also, Apartheid South Africa didn't count the wealth of black people in any of the surveys on GDP.

At 4/18/2012 11:01:55 AM, royalpaladin wrote:

The AIDS rate doesn't count since AIDS bloomed in the late 1980s. Apartheid existed long before then.
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4/18/2012 12:38:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/18/2012 12:19:54 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 11:01:55 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
So, I take it you support repressive elitist regimes?

I support lower crime rates, lower unemployment rates, and longer life expectancy.

You are dodging the question. Do you support repressive, elitist regimes?
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4/18/2012 12:46:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/18/2012 12:38:42 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/18/2012 12:19:54 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 11:01:55 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
So, I take it you support repressive elitist regimes?

I support lower crime rates, lower unemployment rates, and longer life expectancy.

You are dodging the question. Do you support repressive, elitist regimes?

Let me ask you: Do you support crime, unemployment, and short lives?
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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4/18/2012 2:18:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/18/2012 12:46:12 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 12:38:42 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/18/2012 12:19:54 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 11:01:55 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
So, I take it you support repressive elitist regimes?

I support lower crime rates, lower unemployment rates, and longer life expectancy.

You are dodging the question. Do you support repressive, elitist regimes?

Let me ask you: Do you support crime, unemployment, and short lives?

Your argument is like those who claim the slaves had better lives and committed less crime than current African Americans.

You say you want lower crime rates and attribute it to apartheid but the biggest crime of all was apartheid itself.

You know who also had low crime rates? Nazi Germany.

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4/18/2012 2:33:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/18/2012 12:46:12 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 12:38:42 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/18/2012 12:19:54 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 11:01:55 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
So, I take it you support repressive elitist regimes?

I support lower crime rates, lower unemployment rates, and longer life expectancy.

You are dodging the question. Do you support repressive, elitist regimes?

Let me ask you: Do you support crime, unemployment, and short lives?

As Geo said, apartheid was the worst moral crime out of all of these. As someone else mentioned, stats from pre-apartheid South Africa do not take into account unemployment rates among the native Africans.

Are you not the individual who posted a video about how immigration ought to have been prevented? This entire thread proves that your views are only consistent based on race and not on anything else.
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4/18/2012 3:18:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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4/18/2012 4:15:56 PM
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At 4/18/2012 3:42:25 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/18/2012 3:18:30 PM, Reasoning wrote:


According to your beliefs, this is justified because they are foreign immigrants.

According to my beliefs we should invade peaceful homes and shoot the father dead in front of his wife and children? What kind of sick f*ck do you think I am?
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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4/18/2012 4:20:02 PM
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At 4/18/2012 4:15:56 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 3:42:25 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/18/2012 3:18:30 PM, Reasoning wrote:


According to your beliefs, this is justified because they are foreign immigrants.

According to my beliefs we should invade peaceful homes and shoot the father dead in front of his wife and children? What kind of sick f*ck do you think I am?

Watch your video from last week.
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4/18/2012 4:25:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/18/2012 4:20:02 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/18/2012 4:15:56 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 3:42:25 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/18/2012 3:18:30 PM, Reasoning wrote:


According to your beliefs, this is justified because they are foreign immigrants.

According to my beliefs we should invade peaceful homes and shoot the father dead in front of his wife and children? What kind of sick f*ck do you think I am?

Watch your video from last week.

I posted a few videos last week. Which one?
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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4/18/2012 4:30:33 PM
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At 4/18/2012 4:25:27 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 4:20:02 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/18/2012 4:15:56 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 3:42:25 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/18/2012 3:18:30 PM, Reasoning wrote:


According to your beliefs, this is justified because they are foreign immigrants.

According to my beliefs we should invade peaceful homes and shoot the father dead in front of his wife and children? What kind of sick f*ck do you think I am?

Watch your video from last week.

I posted a few videos last week. Which one?

The immigration vid.
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4/18/2012 4:34:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/18/2012 4:15:56 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 3:42:25 PM, royalpaladin wrote:

According to your beliefs, this is justified because they are foreign immigrants.

According to my beliefs we should invade peaceful homes and shoot the father dead in front of his wife and children? What kind of sick f*ck do you think I am?

The kind of sick fvck who thinks apartheid is good if it has a desirable outcome. Hitler thought concentration camps would have a desirable outcome, but that didn't make it right.

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"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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4/19/2012 9:12:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/18/2012 4:30:33 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/18/2012 4:25:27 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 4:20:02 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/18/2012 4:15:56 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 4/18/2012 3:42:25 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/18/2012 3:18:30 PM, Reasoning wrote:


According to your beliefs, this is justified because they are foreign immigrants.

According to my beliefs we should invade peaceful homes and shoot the father dead in front of his wife and children? What kind of sick f*ck do you think I am?

Watch your video from last week.

I posted a few videos last week. Which one?

The immigration vid.

Where in this video does it advocate killing a father in cold blood in front of his wife and children? Hell, where does it advocate killing anyone?
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran