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4/21/2012 1:39:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hmm.

Interesting. And this is confirmed?
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4/21/2012 1:59:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
He really went off the deep end yesterday, taking the stand and all... Claiming that he was unaware on Martin's age, and that he assumed he was slightly younger than him. Also the fact that he admittedly stated that he was unaware if Martin was armed... Yikes.
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4/21/2012 9:21:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
If a random male were stalking your mother at night, she would be justified in confronting him. I am not sure why African American children are not afforded the same rights.
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4/21/2012 9:30:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 9:21:52 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
If a random male were stalking your mother at night, she would be justified in confronting him. I am not sure why African American children are not afforded the same rights.

Zimmerman was walking away when the kid supposedly attacked
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4/21/2012 9:43:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At the end of the day, Zimmerman hunted down, shot and killed an unarmed child. So what if the kid put up a fight? Wouldn't anyone?
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4/21/2012 9:47:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 9:30:34 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:21:52 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
If a random male were stalking your mother at night, she would be justified in confronting him. I am not sure why African American children are not afforded the same rights.

Zimmerman was walking away when the kid supposedly attacked

LOL, that is so not true. By his own admission, he was stalking a minor. I can provide evidence of this. Can you provide evidence that he was walking away?
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4/21/2012 9:48:33 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 9:43:05 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At the end of the day, Zimmerman hunted down, shot and killed an unarmed child. So what if the kid put up a fight? Wouldn't anyone?

This. Apparently conservatives think that only Caucasians have the right to self-defense.
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4/21/2012 9:51:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 9:48:33 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:43:05 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At the end of the day, Zimmerman hunted down, shot and killed an unarmed child. So what if the kid put up a fight? Wouldn't anyone?

This. Apparently conservatives think that only Caucasians have the right to self-defense.

No
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4/21/2012 9:52:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 9:48:33 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:43:05 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At the end of the day, Zimmerman hunted down, shot and killed an unarmed child. So what if the kid put up a fight? Wouldn't anyone?

This. Apparently conservatives think that only Caucasians have the right to self-defense.

Read my post again...I think we both agree Zimmermann is guilty of murder, don't we?
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4/21/2012 10:07:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 9:47:58 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:30:34 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:21:52 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
If a random male were stalking your mother at night, she would be justified in confronting him. I am not sure why African American children are not afforded the same rights.

Zimmerman was walking away when the kid supposedly attacked

LOL, that is so not true. By his own admission, he was stalking a minor. I can provide evidence of this. Can you provide evidence that he was walking away?

He was stalking a minor, then called off. Listen to the police call:
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4/21/2012 10:09:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 9:48:33 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:43:05 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At the end of the day, Zimmerman hunted down, shot and killed an unarmed child. So what if the kid put up a fight? Wouldn't anyone?

This. Apparently conservatives think that only Caucasians have the right to self-defense.

I think everyone has a right to defense, also I am a minority it would be dumb for me to think that.
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4/21/2012 10:10:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
It was stupidity on both their parts. Zimmerman should have never pursued Trayvon, and my guess is they got into a scuffle and Zimmerman shot in self-defense. Martin almost certainly handled it poorly, and when you're a large, black teenager you have basically no margin of error in dealing with authority figures. If Martin had been more aware of this he'd almost certainly still be alive.
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4/21/2012 10:14:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:10:43 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
It was stupidity on both their parts. Zimmerman should have never pursued Trayvon, and my guess is they got into a scuffle and Zimmerman shot in self-defense. Martin almost certainly handled it poorly, and when you're a large, black teenager you have basically no margin of error in dealing with authority figures. If Martin had been more aware of this he'd almost certainly still be alive.

That's my view
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4/21/2012 10:16:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:07:00 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:47:58 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:30:34 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:21:52 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
If a random male were stalking your mother at night, she would be justified in confronting him. I am not sure why African American children are not afforded the same rights.

Zimmerman was walking away when the kid supposedly attacked

LOL, that is so not true. By his own admission, he was stalking a minor. I can provide evidence of this. Can you provide evidence that he was walking away?

He was stalking a minor, then called off. Listen to the police call:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

LOLOLOL

Did you even read what happened? The police told him to stop stalking minors but HE REFUSED and he continued to stalk him.
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4/21/2012 10:17:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 9:52:00 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:48:33 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:43:05 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At the end of the day, Zimmerman hunted down, shot and killed an unarmed child. So what if the kid put up a fight? Wouldn't anyone?

This. Apparently conservatives think that only Caucasians have the right to self-defense.

Read my post again...I think we both agree Zimmermann is guilty of murder, don't we?

I know. Your post is correct.
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4/21/2012 10:17:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:10:43 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
It was stupidity on both their parts. Zimmerman should have never pursued Trayvon, and my guess is they got into a scuffle and Zimmerman shot in self-defense. Martin almost certainly handled it poorly, and when you're a large, black teenager you have basically no margin of error in dealing with authority figures. If Martin had been more aware of this he'd almost certainly still be alive.

People have a right to self-defense. Zimmerman was not an authority figure. He was a creep and a stalker.
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4/21/2012 10:20:33 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:16:50 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:07:00 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:47:58 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:30:34 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:21:52 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
If a random male were stalking your mother at night, she would be justified in confronting him. I am not sure why African American children are not afforded the same rights.

Zimmerman was walking away when the kid supposedly attacked

LOL, that is so not true. By his own admission, he was stalking a minor. I can provide evidence of this. Can you provide evidence that he was walking away?

He was stalking a minor, then called off. Listen to the police call:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

LOLOLOL

Did you even read what happened? The police told him to stop stalking minors but HE REFUSED and he continued to stalk him.

oh idk, to me this story has no importance, just a story to increase ratings. But I think he instigated it, but killed in self defense, manslaughter maybe.
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4/21/2012 10:22:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:20:33 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:16:50 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:07:00 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:47:58 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:30:34 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:21:52 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
If a random male were stalking your mother at night, she would be justified in confronting him. I am not sure why African American children are not afforded the same rights.

Zimmerman was walking away when the kid supposedly attacked

LOL, that is so not true. By his own admission, he was stalking a minor. I can provide evidence of this. Can you provide evidence that he was walking away?

He was stalking a minor, then called off. Listen to the police call:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

LOLOLOL

Did you even read what happened? The police told him to stop stalking minors but HE REFUSED and he continued to stalk him.

oh idk, to me this story has no importance, just a story to increase ratings. But I think he instigated it, but killed in self defense, manslaughter maybe.

Let's suppose a random male was stalking your mother and she confronted him. There is a scuffle and she is killed. Was this self defense? He initiated this conflict, so he definitionally cannot have killed in self-defense.
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4/21/2012 10:27:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:22:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:20:33 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:16:50 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:07:00 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:47:58 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:30:34 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 9:21:52 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
If a random male were stalking your mother at night, she would be justified in confronting him. I am not sure why African American children are not afforded the same rights.

Zimmerman was walking away when the kid supposedly attacked

LOL, that is so not true. By his own admission, he was stalking a minor. I can provide evidence of this. Can you provide evidence that he was walking away?

He was stalking a minor, then called off. Listen to the police call:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

LOLOLOL

Did you even read what happened? The police told him to stop stalking minors but HE REFUSED and he continued to stalk him.

oh idk, to me this story has no importance, just a story to increase ratings. But I think he instigated it, but killed in self defense, manslaughter maybe.

Let's suppose a random male was stalking your mother and she confronted him. There is a scuffle and she is killed. Was this self defense? He initiated this conflict, so he definitionally cannot have killed in self-defense.

True.

Also, just a fyi, my mom would not die, she would be the one with the gun first (conceal carry) :P

But I get the point
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4/21/2012 10:29:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:17:34 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:10:43 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
It was stupidity on both their parts. Zimmerman should have never pursued Trayvon, and my guess is they got into a scuffle and Zimmerman shot in self-defense. Martin almost certainly handled it poorly, and when you're a large, black teenager you have basically no margin of error in dealing with authority figures. If Martin had been more aware of this he'd almost certainly still be alive.

People have a right to self-defense. Zimmerman was not an authority figure. He was a creep and a stalker.

Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch. He was working with the police (who advised him not to pursue Martin.)
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4/21/2012 10:30:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:04:53 AM, Koopin wrote:
Also, why is everyone shocked about him having a bloody head? It was in the 1st police report

Cause people against Zimmerman were willing to go so far as the police were lying to protect a "Caucasian".
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4/21/2012 10:31:41 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:14:10 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:10:43 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
It was stupidity on both their parts. Zimmerman should have never pursued Trayvon, and my guess is they got into a scuffle and Zimmerman shot in self-defense. Martin almost certainly handled it poorly, and when you're a large, black teenager you have basically no margin of error in dealing with authority figures. If Martin had been more aware of this he'd almost certainly still be alive.

That's my view

This.
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4/21/2012 10:33:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:29:56 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:17:34 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:10:43 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
It was stupidity on both their parts. Zimmerman should have never pursued Trayvon, and my guess is they got into a scuffle and Zimmerman shot in self-defense. Martin almost certainly handled it poorly, and when you're a large, black teenager you have basically no margin of error in dealing with authority figures. If Martin had been more aware of this he'd almost certainly still be alive.

People have a right to self-defense. Zimmerman was not an authority figure. He was a creep and a stalker.

Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch. He was working with the police (who advised him not to pursue Martin.)

Neighborhood watch programs have no legal authority.
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4/21/2012 10:36:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:33:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:29:56 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:17:34 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:10:43 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
It was stupidity on both their parts. Zimmerman should have never pursued Trayvon, and my guess is they got into a scuffle and Zimmerman shot in self-defense. Martin almost certainly handled it poorly, and when you're a large, black teenager you have basically no margin of error in dealing with authority figures. If Martin had been more aware of this he'd almost certainly still be alive.

People have a right to self-defense. Zimmerman was not an authority figure. He was a creep and a stalker.

Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch. He was working with the police (who advised him not to pursue Martin.)

Neighborhood watch programs have no legal authority.

Their basic job is to watch suspicious persons, which ANY citizen can do I might add, and that does not constitute stalking. Martin probably did look suspicious, and Zimmerman had every right to watch him. Zimmerman made the mistake in following him, and Martin made the mistake of attacking.
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4/21/2012 10:37:13 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:33:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:29:56 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:17:34 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:10:43 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
It was stupidity on both their parts. Zimmerman should have never pursued Trayvon, and my guess is they got into a scuffle and Zimmerman shot in self-defense. Martin almost certainly handled it poorly, and when you're a large, black teenager you have basically no margin of error in dealing with authority figures. If Martin had been more aware of this he'd almost certainly still be alive.

People have a right to self-defense. Zimmerman was not an authority figure. He was a creep and a stalker.

Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch. He was working with the police (who advised him not to pursue Martin.)

Neighborhood watch programs have no legal authority.

Even so, I seriously doubt Zimmerman tracked down an innocent black teen just to shoot him. What happened was Martin probably didn't give him respect and a scuffle may have ensued where Martin where Martin was getting the better of Zimmerman and Zimmerman had a gun on him. Remember, there was a very large height difference.
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4/21/2012 10:38:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:37:13 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:33:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:29:56 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:17:34 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:10:43 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
It was stupidity on both their parts. Zimmerman should have never pursued Trayvon, and my guess is they got into a scuffle and Zimmerman shot in self-defense. Martin almost certainly handled it poorly, and when you're a large, black teenager you have basically no margin of error in dealing with authority figures. If Martin had been more aware of this he'd almost certainly still be alive.

People have a right to self-defense. Zimmerman was not an authority figure. He was a creep and a stalker.

Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch. He was working with the police (who advised him not to pursue Martin.)

Neighborhood watch programs have no legal authority.

Even so, I seriously doubt Zimmerman tracked down an innocent black teen just to shoot him. What happened was Martin probably didn't give him respect and a scuffle may have ensued where Martin where Martin was getting the better of Zimmerman and Zimmerman had a gun on him. Remember, there was a very large height difference.

It doesn't matter if there was a height difference. Zimmerman was a vigilante who was stalking a minor. Martin had no obligation to respect him.
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4/21/2012 10:40:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/21/2012 10:36:45 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:33:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:29:56 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:17:34 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 4/21/2012 10:10:43 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
It was stupidity on both their parts. Zimmerman should have never pursued Trayvon, and my guess is they got into a scuffle and Zimmerman shot in self-defense. Martin almost certainly handled it poorly, and when you're a large, black teenager you have basically no margin of error in dealing with authority figures. If Martin had been more aware of this he'd almost certainly still be alive.

People have a right to self-defense. Zimmerman was not an authority figure. He was a creep and a stalker.

Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch. He was working with the police (who advised him not to pursue Martin.)

Neighborhood watch programs have no legal authority.

Their basic job is to watch suspicious persons, which ANY citizen can do I might add, and that does not constitute stalking. Martin probably did look suspicious, and Zimmerman had every right to watch him. Zimmerman made the mistake in following him, and Martin made the mistake of attacking.

Actually, it is stalking, especially when the police issue an order telling you not to follow someone around. We don't know who attacked first yet, so you should stop claiming that Martin did. We do know that a minor was being stalked by a power-hungry vigilante and that people have a right to defend themselves from their stalkers.