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The lack of success of revolutions

Stephen_Hawkins
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4/21/2012 6:01:27 PM
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Excluding the examples of colonies declaring independence (or generally communities shifting independence entirely), is there any cases where government shifts have led to a peaceful or better state of affairs? I'm struggling to think of many (although I can think of a fair few that failed).
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4/21/2012 6:14:14 PM
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Haitian Revolution
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4/21/2012 6:14:44 PM
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At 4/21/2012 6:14:14 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Haitian Revolution

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4/21/2012 7:10:02 PM
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At 4/21/2012 6:01:27 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Excluding the examples of colonies declaring independence (or generally communities shifting independence entirely), is there any cases where government shifts have led to a peaceful or better state of affairs? I'm struggling to think of many (although I can think of a fair few that failed).

The Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia, when the nation split into two separate nations (Czech Republic and Slovakia) with a formal agreement, zero bloodshed, peace, and good affairs between the two nations.
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4/21/2012 7:12:22 PM
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South Korea (turned from Capitalist Dictatorship to a liberal Democracy with Capitalism).

The contras who revolted against the left-wing Sandinistas, the former being aided by the Reagan administration was not a peaceful revolution by any means.
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4/21/2012 7:13:49 PM
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Actually, I meant violent revolutions, which is irritating because I thought of putting that in the title... oh well.

I meant revolutions similar to the French Revolution, say, or Italy's democratisation.
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4/21/2012 8:58:56 PM
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At 4/21/2012 6:01:27 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Excluding the examples of colonies declaring independence (or generally communities shifting independence entirely), is there any cases where government shifts have led to a peaceful or better state of affairs? I'm struggling to think of many (although I can think of a fair few that failed).

Throughout history revolutions often replaced one tyrant with an even worse tyrant.
Jefferson recognized this in the declaration of independence, as he wrote;

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of [the rights of the people], it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

In my opinion, the reason why the US revolution worked, is because in 1781 we adopted the articles of confederation, and in 1774 we had the Continental Congress. This provided a foundation for liberty.
Also the influence of Classic Liberalism was a major factor in how history turned out. If the Classic Liberals did not fight the Nationalists regarding the adoption of the constitution, we most likely would have not had the bill of rights. Also if the Nationalists in the Federalist Party would have won more than 1 presidency, the Federalist party would have never died out, and we would have likely lost allot of liberty early on.
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