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4/26/2012 9:19:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This thread is not for debating or arguing.

Don't contest other people's points. (If you want to argue for Romney, go to the Why Are We For Romney thread.)

Just state your case: Why are you for Obama?

Clarity and brevity are good: cogency. Make a sound bite.

Or go longer if you have a lot of information.

Stay positive, make your case, and let other Obama fans see how to articulate his appeal.
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4/26/2012 9:22:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Romney annoys me slighty more than Obama and I want to exercise my right to vote.

Thats why I am for Obama
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4/26/2012 9:23:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 9:23:17 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I'd prefer Obama over a second Bush any day. However, I'd prefer Clinton or Jon Huntsman. Obama's not the best.

Like Romney would be a second Bush.....and like Obama isn't a second Bush.....RRIIGGHHHTTTT
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4/26/2012 9:26:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 9:23:17 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I'd prefer Obama over a second Bush any day. However, I'd prefer Clinton or Jon Huntsman. Obama's not the best.

+999999999999
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
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4/26/2012 9:26:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 9:23:55 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/26/2012 9:23:17 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I'd prefer Obama over a second Bush any day. However, I'd prefer Clinton or Jon Huntsman. Obama's not the best.

Like Romney would be a second Bush.....and like Obama isn't a second Bush.....RRIIGGHHHTTTT

I hate both.
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4/26/2012 9:26:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 9:23:55 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/26/2012 9:23:17 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
I'd prefer Obama over a second Bush any day. However, I'd prefer Clinton or Jon Huntsman. Obama's not the best.

Like Romney would be a second Bush.....and like Obama isn't a second Bush.....RRIIGGHHHTTTT

good point...
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4/26/2012 9:38:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 9:30:04 PM, Koopin wrote:
Romney = Obama.

Just different colors.

+1
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4/26/2012 10:21:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Obama has been too moderate, but he is not too bad.

-Obama ended torture, making us of a higher moral order.
-Obama presided over the revival of the US auto industry (I have seen this in Michigan).

-Renewable energy production has doubled in his time in office.
-Over 4 million private sector jobs produced over 25 consecutive months of job growth after the worst recession in 70 years.
-Al Qaeda is dead, and the War in Iraq is over.
-Many clean energy, environmental accomplishments
-Natural Gas production is at an all time high
-Domestic oil production is at an 8 year high
-Obama has championed the lowest federal taxes in over 60 years
-A recession was reversed
-Business investment has grown 29% since 2009
-Corporate profits up 76% under Obama (not that happy about this though)
-Investments in equipment and software up 30% under Obama
-Exports up 23% under Obama
-Auto industry jobs have been added in the hundreds of thousands
-Three Free Trade agreements signed, stimulating the economy in areas such as manufacturing and saving/ supporting many jobs.
-Unemployment is trending down
-Job creation is up
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4/26/2012 10:43:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 10:21:51 PM, Contra wrote:
Obama has been too moderate, but he is not too bad.

-Obama ended torture, making us of a higher moral order.
-Obama presided over the revival of the US auto industry (I have seen this in Michigan).

-Renewable energy production has doubled in his time in office.

is that good? lol

-Over 4 million private sector jobs produced over 25 consecutive months of job growth after the worst recession in 70 years.

Reagans recovery beat obamas
http://money.cnn.com...

-Al Qaeda is dead, and the War in Iraq is over.

good, not all him

-Many clean energy, environmental accomplishments

is that good?

-Natural Gas production is at an all time high

Note all the contracts where signed under bush, and did not go into effect until now. Obamas rules also kill the coal industry.
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

-Domestic oil production is at an 8 year high

See above.

-Obama has championed the lowest federal taxes in over 60 years

Obama raises taxes on rich...
http://www.forbes.com...

-A recession was reversed

Again, the economy was stable before his policies begun and reagan did better then obama.

-Business investment has grown 29% since 2009

Natural recoveries and the stability before his stimulus where in place.

-Corporate profits up 76% under Obama (not that happy about this though)

^

-Investments in equipment and software up 30% under Obama

^

-Exports up 23% under Obama

^

-Auto industry jobs have been added in the hundreds of thousands

^ and I think the money should have been given after

-Three Free Trade agreements signed, stimulating the economy in areas such as manufacturing and saving/ supporting many jobs.

one upside.

-Unemployment is trending down

See the "^" signs

-Job creation is up

^
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4/26/2012 10:52:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 10:32:32 PM, Koopin wrote:
OH MY CONTRA! Obama sounds like a god!

By the way I put it, yes >:D
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/26/2012 10:57:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 10:43:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:21:51 PM, Contra wrote:
Obama has been too moderate, but he is not too bad.

-Obama ended torture, making us of a higher moral order.
-Obama presided over the revival of the US auto industry (I have seen this in Michigan).

-Renewable energy production has doubled in his time in office.

is that good? lol

Progressives seek protection of our clean air and water, and view clean renewable energy as a significant milestone in achieving our policy views.

-Over 4 million private sector jobs produced over 25 consecutive months of job growth after the worst recession in 70 years.

Reagans recovery beat obamas

1) After adjusting interest rates, well yeah
2) Reagan recession was not nearly as bad as Obama's inherited one
http://money.cnn.com...

-Al Qaeda is dead, and the War in Iraq is over.

good, not all him

Most of them

-Many clean energy, environmental accomplishments

is that good?

-Natural Gas production is at an all time high

Note all the contracts where signed under bush, and did not go into effect until now. Obamas rules also kill the coal industry.
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

My simple picture kills your argument:

http://www.debate.org...

-Domestic oil production is at an 8 year high

See above.

-Obama has championed the lowest federal taxes in over 60 years

Obama raises taxes on rich...
http://www.forbes.com...

Obama is protecting them (a shame)

-A recession was reversed

Again, the economy was stable before his policies begun and reagan did better then obama.

I don't call -750K jobs a month, and -8% growth of GDP PER QUARTER stable, not by a long shot.

-Business investment has grown 29% since 2009

Natural recoveries and the stability before his stimulus where in place.

-Corporate profits up 76% under Obama (not that happy about this though)

^

-Investments in equipment and software up 30% under Obama

^

-Exports up 23% under Obama

^

-Auto industry jobs have been added in the hundreds of thousands

^ and I think the money should have been given after

-Three Free Trade agreements signed, stimulating the economy in areas such as manufacturing and saving/ supporting many jobs.

one upside.

-Unemployment is trending down

See the "^" signs

-Job creation is up

^
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/26/2012 11:14:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 10:43:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Again, the economy was stable before his policies begun and reagan did better then obama.

Are you high?
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4/27/2012 12:15:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Obama hasn't helped the economy in the slightest.

He's racked up a net loss over over 1,000,000 workers when, by population, it was supposed to rise by 2,000,000.
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4/27/2012 5:36:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 12:15:51 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Obama hasn't helped the economy in the slightest.

He's racked up a net loss over over 1,000,000 workers when, by population, it was supposed to rise by 2,000,000.

Since when did snapping your fingers make the economy reverse a huge recession/ depression to a boom.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/27/2012 5:37:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 5:36:39 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/27/2012 12:15:51 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Obama hasn't helped the economy in the slightest.

He's racked up a net loss over over 1,000,000 workers when, by population, it was supposed to rise by 2,000,000.

Since when did snapping your fingers make the economy reverse a huge recession/ depression to a boom.

*snap*
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to be Gay, he'll positively influence the GDP.

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4/27/2012 5:42:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
He did an excellent job representing us and leading our nation through several changes.

He did it in a mature, educated, intelligent, and straightforward manner.

If you want to talk about changes, the Senate writes the law.

...
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4/27/2012 5:43:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 10:21:51 PM, Contra wrote:
Obama has been too moderate, but he is not too bad.

-Obama ended torture, making us of a higher moral order.

? No he didn't, he promised to, but he didn't. Rendition and gitmo are still going strong.
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4/27/2012 5:52:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 5:43:51 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:21:51 PM, Contra wrote:
Obama has been too moderate, but he is not too bad.

-Obama ended torture, making us of a higher moral order.

? No he didn't, he promised to, but he didn't. Rendition and gitmo are still going strong.

http://www.politifact.com...

Closed most of the CIA prisons that abused prisoners, and Congress wouldn't close gitmo
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/27/2012 5:57:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 5:52:51 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/27/2012 5:43:51 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:21:51 PM, Contra wrote:
Obama has been too moderate, but he is not too bad.

-Obama ended torture, making us of a higher moral order.

? No he didn't, he promised to, but he didn't. Rendition and gitmo are still going strong.

http://www.politifact.com...

Closed most of the CIA prisons that abused prisoners, and Congress wouldn't close gitmo

Does anyone else find it ironic that the exact thing Obama claimed to hated was utilized in the operation against Osama Bin Laden....?
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4/27/2012 6:06:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 5:52:51 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/27/2012 5:43:51 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:21:51 PM, Contra wrote:
Obama has been too moderate, but he is not too bad.

-Obama ended torture, making us of a higher moral order.

? No he didn't, he promised to, but he didn't. Rendition and gitmo are still going strong.

http://www.politifact.com...

Closed most of the CIA prisons that abused prisoners, and Congress wouldn't close gitmo

Rendition is still going strong.
http://articles.latimes.com...
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4/27/2012 6:07:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 5:57:59 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/27/2012 5:52:51 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/27/2012 5:43:51 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:21:51 PM, Contra wrote:
Obama has been too moderate, but he is not too bad.

-Obama ended torture, making us of a higher moral order.

? No he didn't, he promised to, but he didn't. Rendition and gitmo are still going strong.

http://www.politifact.com...

Closed most of the CIA prisons that abused prisoners, and Congress wouldn't close gitmo

Does anyone else find it ironic that the exact thing Obama claimed to hated was utilized in the operation against Osama Bin Laden....?

That was...?
"If you are a racist I will attack you with the north"- Abraham Lincoln

"Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material" - Leviticus 19 19

"War is a racket" - Smedley Butler
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4/27/2012 8:12:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 10:57:16 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:43:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:21:51 PM, Contra wrote:
Obama has been too moderate, but he is not too bad.

-Obama ended torture, making us of a higher moral order.
-Obama presided over the revival of the US auto industry (I have seen this in Michigan).

-Renewable energy production has doubled in his time in office.

is that good? lol

Progressives seek protection of our clean air and water, and view clean renewable energy as a significant milestone in achieving our policy views.

Bolded word says all


-Over 4 million private sector jobs produced over 25 consecutive months of job growth after the worst recession in 70 years.

Reagans recovery beat obamas

1) After adjusting interest rates, well yeah
2) Reagan recession was not nearly as bad as Obama's inherited one

LOL, reagan faced worse economic troubles then we are facing now.
http://www.forbes.com...

http://money.cnn.com...

-Al Qaeda is dead, and the War in Iraq is over.

good, not all him

Most of them

No, he mainly used data from the previous administration, and there is doubt he actually signed the papers to kill osama. Wait CNN said the politically correct term is Usama.


-Many clean energy, environmental accomplishments

is that good?

-Natural Gas production is at an all time high

Note all the contracts where signed under bush, and did not go into effect until now. Obamas rules also kill the coal industry.
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

My simple picture kills your argument:

http://www.debate.org...

Not really, if you look at it the new wells bush signed where, how do I say this, slow to act. Like one of those contracts that say applies in ___. Also your source for the picture disproves you, saying both of their oil problems are linked to past administrations, so obamas rise = bush, bush's fall = former problems.
http://www.consumerenergyreport.com...


-Domestic oil production is at an 8 year high

See above.

-Obama has championed the lowest federal taxes in over 60 years

Obama raises taxes on rich...
http://www.forbes.com...

Obama is protecting them (a shame)

Raising taxes on employers is bad


-A recession was reversed

Again, the economy was stable before his policies begun and reagan did better then obama.

I don't call -750K jobs a month, and -8% growth of GDP PER QUARTER stable, not by a long shot.

Did you read your debate with LK?


-Business investment has grown 29% since 2009

Natural recoveries and the stability before his stimulus where in place.

-Corporate profits up 76% under Obama (not that happy about this though)

^

-Investments in equipment and software up 30% under Obama

^

-Exports up 23% under Obama

^

-Auto industry jobs have been added in the hundreds of thousands

^ and I think the money should have been given after

-Three Free Trade agreements signed, stimulating the economy in areas such as manufacturing and saving/ supporting many jobs.

one upside.

-Unemployment is trending down

See the "^" signs

-Job creation is up

^
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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4/27/2012 9:01:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 8:12:47 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:57:16 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:43:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:21:51 PM, Contra wrote:
Obama has been too moderate, but he is not too bad.

-Obama ended torture, making us of a higher moral order.
-Obama presided over the revival of the US auto industry (I have seen this in Michigan).

-Renewable energy production has doubled in his time in office.

is that good? lol

Progressives seek protection of our clean air and water, and view clean renewable energy as a significant milestone in achieving our policy views.

Bolded word says all

+10

-Over 4 million private sector jobs produced over 25 consecutive months of job growth after the worst recession in 70 years.

Reagans recovery beat obamas

1) After adjusting interest rates, well yeah
2) Reagan recession was not nearly as bad as Obama's inherited one

LOL, reagan faced worse economic troubles then we are facing now.
http://www.forbes.com...

Posting a source doesn't count as an argument. I already disproved this in the other thread.

http://money.cnn.com...

-Al Qaeda is dead, and the War in Iraq is over.

good, not all him

Most of them

No, he mainly used data from the previous administration, and there is doubt he actually signed the papers to kill osama. Wait CNN said the politically correct term is Usama.

Obama still did it.


-Many clean energy, environmental accomplishments

is that good?

-Natural Gas production is at an all time high

Note all the contracts where signed under bush, and did not go into effect until now. Obamas rules also kill the coal industry.
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

My simple picture kills your argument:

http://www.debate.org...

Not really, if you look at it the new wells bush signed where, how do I say this, slow to act. Like one of those contracts that say applies in ___. Also your source for the picture disproves you, saying both of their oil problems are linked to past administrations, so obamas rise = bush, bush's fall = former problems.
http://www.consumerenergyreport.com...

So, by your theory, Obama cannot be responsible for the oil prices, as contracts take a few years to go into effect. So, you are saying Obama is not opening enough lands for oil, but also saying that oil fields took a few years to open under Bush. Contradicted!


-Domestic oil production is at an 8 year high

See above.

-Obama has championed the lowest federal taxes in over 60 years

Obama raises taxes on rich...
http://www.forbes.com...

Obama is protecting them (a shame)

Raising taxes on employers is bad

Employers hire based on demand, not supply.


-A recession was reversed

Again, the economy was stable before his policies begun and reagan did better then obama.

I don't call -750K jobs a month, and -8% growth of GDP PER QUARTER stable, not by a long shot.

Did you read your debate with LK?

So, -6% GDP growth and -500,000 jobs a month is a huge improvement. Eh, no.


-Business investment has grown 29% since 2009

Natural recoveries and the stability before his stimulus where in place.

-Corporate profits up 76% under Obama (not that happy about this though)

^

-Investments in equipment and software up 30% under Obama

^

-Exports up 23% under Obama

^

-Auto industry jobs have been added in the hundreds of thousands

^ and I think the money should have been given after

-Three Free Trade agreements signed, stimulating the economy in areas such as manufacturing and saving/ supporting many jobs.

one upside.

-Unemployment is trending down

See the "^" signs

-Job creation is up

^

It don't get what the up signs are saying.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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4/27/2012 9:11:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/27/2012 9:01:28 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/27/2012 8:12:47 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:57:16 PM, Contra wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:43:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:21:51 PM, Contra wrote:
Obama has been too moderate, but he is not too bad.

-Obama ended torture, making us of a higher moral order.
-Obama presided over the revival of the US auto industry (I have seen this in Michigan).

-Renewable energy production has doubled in his time in office.

is that good? lol

Progressives seek protection of our clean air and water, and view clean renewable energy as a significant milestone in achieving our policy views.

Bolded word says all

+10

your point?


-Over 4 million private sector jobs produced over 25 consecutive months of job growth after the worst recession in 70 years.

Reagans recovery beat obamas

1) After adjusting interest rates, well yeah
2) Reagan recession was not nearly as bad as Obama's inherited one

LOL, reagan faced worse economic troubles then we are facing now.
http://www.forbes.com...

Posting a source doesn't count as an argument. I already disproved this in the other thread.

Once again, you similar forum debate, sentence then link, but really, Reagan had it worse off.


http://money.cnn.com...

-Al Qaeda is dead, and the War in Iraq is over.

good, not all him

Most of them

No, he mainly used data from the previous administration, and there is doubt he actually signed the papers to kill osama. Wait CNN said the politically correct term is Usama.

Obama still did it.

What the common liberal thought, did he go there with a gun? I do not give credit to ANY NOT ANY credit to politicians for war on terrorism now. No politician does anything, and really its not much of an upside.



-Many clean energy, environmental accomplishments

is that good?

-Natural Gas production is at an all time high

Note all the contracts where signed under bush, and did not go into effect until now. Obamas rules also kill the coal industry.
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

My simple picture kills your argument:

http://www.debate.org...

Not really, if you look at it the new wells bush signed where, how do I say this, slow to act. Like one of those contracts that say applies in ___. Also your source for the picture disproves you, saying both of their oil problems are linked to past administrations, so obamas rise = bush, bush's fall = former problems.
http://www.consumerenergyreport.com...

So, by your theory, Obama cannot be responsible for the oil prices, as contracts take a few years to go into effect. So, you are saying Obama is not opening enough lands for oil, but also saying that oil fields took a few years to open under Bush. Contradicted!

lol. Obama himself opened nothing, buch did, your contradiction is a fallacy, a very simple one too.



-Domestic oil production is at an 8 year high

See above.

-Obama has championed the lowest federal taxes in over 60 years

Obama raises taxes on rich...
http://www.forbes.com...

Obama is protecting them (a shame)

Raising taxes on employers is bad

Employers hire based on demand, not supply.

says who? No more money left no room to pay them, just like how higher wages raise unemployment. Its a really simple concept that people that knew business owners (uncles own oil companies) would know, they go based on money, no money no hiring.



-A recession was reversed

Again, the economy was stable before his policies begun and reagan did better then obama.

I don't call -750K jobs a month, and -8% growth of GDP PER QUARTER stable, not by a long shot.

Did you read your debate with LK?

So, -6% GDP growth and -500,000 jobs a month is a huge improvement. Eh, no.

I still refer you to the debate with LK round 2.



-Business investment has grown 29% since 2009

Natural recoveries and the stability before his stimulus where in place.

-Corporate profits up 76% under Obama (not that happy about this though)

^

-Investments in equipment and software up 30% under Obama

^

-Exports up 23% under Obama

^

-Auto industry jobs have been added in the hundreds of thousands

^ and I think the money should have been given after

-Three Free Trade agreements signed, stimulating the economy in areas such as manufacturing and saving/ supporting many jobs.

one upside.

-Unemployment is trending down

See the "^" signs

-Job creation is up

^

It don't get what the up signs are saying.

^ = see above
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4/27/2012 9:36:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 9:19:20 PM, wiploc wrote:
This thread is not for debating or arguing.

Don't contest other people's points. (If you want to argue for Romney, go to the Why Are We For Romney thread.)

16k, if you want to debate who inherited a worse economy Obama or Reagan, I would happily debate this.

Just state your case: Why are you for Obama?

Clarity and brevity are good: cogency. Make a sound bite.

Or go longer if you have a lot of information.

Stay positive, make your case, and let other Obama fans see how to articulate his appeal.
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4/27/2012 10:30:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Lemme get this straight 16K....your justification is that "Reagen did it better?"
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