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Fascism: Labor and finances

DanT
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4/28/2012 7:57:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
On June 6, 1919 the Fascist Manifesto was Published.

The fascist Manifesto called for the following reforms in labor and in finanes;

labor and social policy

1.) The quick enactment of a law of the state that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
2.) A minimum wage;
3.) The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;
4.) To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
5.) Reorganisation of the railways and the transport sector;
6.) Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
7.) Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

In finance

1.0 A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a "partial expropriation" of concentrated wealth);
2.) The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
3.) Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
4.) The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

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Maybe it's just me, but Fascism sounds socialistic.
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DanT
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4/28/2012 8:38:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/28/2012 8:24:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
Pray tell, what do you think a non-socialist fascist government would look like?

Or is such a thing unfathomable?

Try following the US constitution; the US constitution was not fascist/socialist, the US constitution was Libertarian.
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4/28/2012 9:00:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/28/2012 8:38:20 PM, DanT wrote:
At 4/28/2012 8:24:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
Pray tell, what do you think a non-socialist fascist government would look like?

Or is such a thing unfathomable?

Try following the US constitution; the US constitution was not fascist/socialist, the US constitution was Libertarian.

I didn't ask "what is your definition of a right-wing government."

I asked, "what would a fascist government look like if it was not what you would classify 'socialist'."

Or is such a thing possible in your opinion?
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4/28/2012 10:02:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/28/2012 9:00:44 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/28/2012 8:38:20 PM, DanT wrote:
At 4/28/2012 8:24:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
Pray tell, what do you think a non-socialist fascist government would look like?

Or is such a thing unfathomable?

Try following the US constitution; the US constitution was not fascist/socialist, the US constitution was Libertarian.

I didn't ask "what is your definition of a right-wing government."

I asked, "what would a fascist government look like if it was not what you would classify 'socialist'."

Or is such a thing possible in your opinion?

Fascism is comprised of 2 aspects;
1.) Socialism
2.) Nationalism

I think the Lincoln Administration was a good example of non-socialist Fascism, although he did implement some socialistic policies, he was primarily nationalistic, and the socialistic policies he implemented were suppose to be temporary.
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4/28/2012 10:05:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It really depends on how you define fascism and socialism.

But, there is no question that the economic policies typically pursued by fascist regimes resembles the economic policies of the modern left of the western world.
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4/28/2012 10:14:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/28/2012 10:02:33 PM, DanT wrote:
At 4/28/2012 9:00:44 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/28/2012 8:38:20 PM, DanT wrote:
At 4/28/2012 8:24:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
Pray tell, what do you think a non-socialist fascist government would look like?

Or is such a thing unfathomable?

Try following the US constitution; the US constitution was not fascist/socialist, the US constitution was Libertarian.

I didn't ask "what is your definition of a right-wing government."

I asked, "what would a fascist government look like if it was not what you would classify 'socialist'."

Or is such a thing possible in your opinion?

Fascism is comprised of 2 aspects;
1.) Socialism
2.) Nationalism

I think the Lincoln Administration was a good example of non-socialist Fascism, although he did implement some socialistic policies, he was primarily nationalistic, and the socialistic policies he implemented were suppose to be temporary.

Really? All of history, that's the best you can do? You've got a real hang up with the guy.

Alright, so the Union during the civil war, according to you, had a fascist government.

What kind of government did the Confederacy have?
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4/28/2012 10:17:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Off topic, but am I the only one who finds it interesting that the Fascist Manifesto was published EXACTLY 25 years before a great event leading to it's downfall?
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4/29/2012 9:22:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Fascist Manifesto
Italians! Here is the program of a genuinely Italian movement. It is revolutionary because it is anti-dogmatic, strongly innovative and against prejudice.

For the political problem: We demand:
a) Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women.
b) A minimum age for the voting electorate of 18 years; that for the office holders at 25 years.
c) The abolition of the Senate.
d) The convocation of a National Assembly for a three-years duration, for which its primary responsibility will be to form a constitution of the State.
e) The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made from the collective professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.

For the social problems: We demand:
a) The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers.
b) A minimum wage.
c) The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions.
d) To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants.
e) The rapid and complete systemization of the railways and of all the transport industries.
f) A necessary modification of the insurance laws to invalidate the minimum retirement age;we propose to lower it from 65 to 55 years of age.

For the military problem: We demand:
a) The institution of a national militia with a short period of service for training and exclusively defensive responsibilities.
b) The nationalization of all the arms and explosives factories.
c) A national policy intended to peacefully further the Italian national culture in the world.

For the financial problem: We demand:
a) A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth.
b) The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor.
c) The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

In 1925, Mussolini encapsulated the heart of fascist philosophy in a memorable phrase:
Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato.
This means 'Everythingin the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.'"

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4/29/2012 2:02:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
You guys need to get it straight.

Communism: Revolutionary movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.

Socialism: A system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

Fascism: A radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline and indoctrination. Fascism seeks to purify the nation of foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or of not fitting into the national culture.

Progressives are none of these.
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