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Who was the best POTUS of the 20th century?

Lordknukle
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5/10/2012 8:33:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ronald Reagan.

Hand down.
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5/10/2012 8:34:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/10/2012 8:33:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Ronald Reagan.

Hand down.
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5/10/2012 8:51:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Bill Clinton, Truman, or FDR.

Teddy Roosevelt was not bad, but he was an imperialist.

Eisenhower also wasn't bad.
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5/10/2012 8:55:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/10/2012 8:51:19 PM, Contra wrote:
<em>Bill Clinton, Truman, or FDR.

Teddy Roosevelt was not bad, but he was an imperialist.

Eisenhower also wasn't bad.

Contra, this is not a troll thread.
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5/10/2012 9:05:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/10/2012 8:39:06 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
Teddy's a twentieth century president, right?

I'm also a Pro-Clinton-er. I'm neutral on Reagan because, honestly, I don't know much about him and what he actually DID as prez.
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5/10/2012 9:13:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/10/2012 9:05:21 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 5/10/2012 8:39:06 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
Teddy's a twentieth century president, right?

I'm also a Pro-Clinton-er. I'm neutral on Reagan because, honestly, I don't know much about him and what he actually DID as prez.

- Increased defense/ military spending
- Cut welfare heavily and low-income aid (negative effects)
- Cut taxes
- Policies reduced inflation
- Extended life of Social Security
- Cut Medicare
- Reformed tax code
- Reformed immigration (to an extent)
- Iran-Contra affair
- Invaded many Caribbean Islands to get rid of left-wing insurgents
- Trained Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, Taliban
- Tripled National Debt
- Increased taxes on rich after cutting them
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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5/10/2012 9:15:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/10/2012 9:13:36 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/10/2012 9:05:21 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 5/10/2012 8:39:06 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
Teddy's a twentieth century president, right?

I'm also a Pro-Clinton-er. I'm neutral on Reagan because, honestly, I don't know much about him and what he actually DID as prez.

- Increased defense/ military spending
- Cut welfare heavily and low-income aid (negative effects)
- Cut taxes
- Policies reduced inflation
- Extended life of Social Security
- Cut Medicare
- Reformed tax code
- Reformed immigration (to an extent)
- Iran-Contra affair
- Invaded many Caribbean Islands to get rid of left-wing insurgents
- Trained Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, Taliban
- Tripled National Debt
- Increased taxes on rich after cutting them

I applaud your objectivity.

You get a MSNBC Golden Star!
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5/10/2012 9:24:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/10/2012 9:15:14 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 5/10/2012 9:13:36 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/10/2012 9:05:21 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 5/10/2012 8:39:06 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
Teddy's a twentieth century president, right?

I'm also a Pro-Clinton-er. I'm neutral on Reagan because, honestly, I don't know much about him and what he actually DID as prez.

- Increased defense/ military spending
- Cut welfare heavily and low-income aid (negative effects)
- Cut taxes
- Policies reduced inflation
- Extended life of Social Security
- Cut Medicare
- Reformed tax code
- Reformed immigration (to an extent)
- Iran-Contra affair
- Invaded many Caribbean Islands to get rid of left-wing insurgents
- Trained Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, Taliban
- Tripled National Debt
- Increased taxes on rich after cutting them

I applaud your objectivity.

You get a MSNBC Golden Star!

It was all true. But the last 5 ones and the second one I put were obviously not meant to look good. And I managed to make it slightly subjective as well.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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5/10/2012 10:27:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ronald Reagan was, by far, the greatest president of the 20th century.

FDR, JFK, LBJ, Dwight Eisenhower, TR, Woodrow Wilson, George HW Bush, Harry Truman, and even Bill Clinton also had some good points.

The worst presidents were Carter, Nixon, Harding, among others.
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5/11/2012 12:47:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/10/2012 8:13:15 PM, SayWhat wrote:
Really a controversial debate, encompasses policies as well as results. I say Clinton.

Discuss...

Ronald Reagan, no question. Kennedy gets points for vision, inspiration, dedication, and ability.

Ronald, along with bolstering our defenses worldwide, weakened the USSR in a way no other president could touch, by making a mockery out of it through his unparalleled sense of humor, willfully and skillfully slandering communist ideas so badly that nobody could take it seriously any longer.

Though a lot of problems we face can be traced back to his presidency, I think there might still be a Cold War without the individual effect Reagan brought to the table, and that's an accomplishment that cannot be ignored.
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5/11/2012 1:16:24 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/11/2012 12:47:10 AM, cbrhawk1 wrote:
At 5/10/2012 8:13:15 PM, SayWhat wrote:
Really a controversial debate, encompasses policies as well as results. I say Clinton.

Discuss...

Ronald Reagan, no question. Kennedy gets points for vision, inspiration, dedication, and ability.

Ronald, along with bolstering our defenses worldwide, weakened the USSR in a way no other president could touch, by making a mockery out of it through his unparalleled sense of humor, willfully and skillfully slandering communist ideas so badly that nobody could take it seriously any longer.

Though a lot of problems we face can be traced back to his presidency, I think there might still be a Cold War without the individual effect Reagan brought to the table, and that's an accomplishment that cannot be ignored.

You don't knnow Russian history then. Gorbachev's Glastnost did that, not Reaganism.
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5/11/2012 1:49:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I wish I could tell who the funniest president was but George Bush made me laugh the most so I pick him.
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5/11/2012 1:53:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
What I like how non-American political historians usually say Thatcher was more instrumental than Reagan, and we don't even like Thatcher in England... lol.
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5/11/2012 2:01:04 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/11/2012 1:53:10 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
What I like how non-American political historians usually say Thatcher was more instrumental than Reagan, and we don't even like Thatcher in England... lol.

You may not like her, but, had it not been for her, the UK would be in much worse shape.
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5/11/2012 3:37:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/11/2012 1:53:10 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
What I like how non-American political historians usually say Thatcher was more instrumental than Reagan, and we don't even like Thatcher in England... lol.

We?
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5/11/2012 4:34:52 AM
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At 5/11/2012 1:53:10 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
What I like how non-American political historians usually say Thatcher was more instrumental than Reagan, and we don't even like Thatcher in England... lol.

Compared to the train wrecks we are having and have had recently...

She wasn't always right, but the good did she did far outweighs the bad (relative to other PMs)
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5/11/2012 7:16:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/11/2012 1:53:10 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
What I like how non-American political historians usually say Thatcher was more instrumental than Reagan, and we don't even like Thatcher in England... lol.

Thatcher was more instrumental for England than Reagan was for the United States because, from my understanding, you guys were transferring from socialist policies to more capitalistic ones if I'm not mistaken (no expert on British history, but what I gather). For the world? Hardly. It was primarily our support that killed their Afghan war a sent the USSR into an economic tailspin.

Yeah, the very same people we trained and equipped during the 80s Afghan war came to bite us in the butt, but I'll take a few AKs in caves over a communist shadow that covered 20% of the landmass of the wold.
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5/11/2012 7:20:32 AM
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You don't knnow Russian history then. Gorbachev's Glastnost did that, not Reaganism.

Our return to defending capitalist interests and, again our involvement in their Afghan war crippled their economy to the point where the government could no longer even pay its own army or much else for that matter. Reagan had more to do with the fall of communism in Russia than anybody else through his combined efforts of diplomacy, defense, and, as I said, the little bit of demeaning humor at their expense.
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5/11/2012 7:28:08 AM
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Oh, and for those who talk about Clinton, and why I didn't include him, just for discussions sake:

Clinton didn't have a real big direct impact until toward the end of his presidency. Sadly, how much work he could have done at the end was influenced by politics. The Lewinsky trials were the biggest joke in history. Then again, maybe this is what made him be a bit more assertive toward his positions?

But, our height in the 90s wasn't due to anything Clinton did. Clinton was the absolute best at not touching anything if he didn't have to. In other words, he was a real good president at not blowing what we had. Sad to say that he was far too soft in the international world and didn't pursue key interests such as Osama Bin Laden, which, despite what he says, happened on his watch.
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5/11/2012 7:35:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/11/2012 7:28:08 AM, cbrhawk1 wrote:
Oh, and for those who talk about Clinton, and why I didn't include him, just for discussions sake:

Clinton didn't have a real big direct impact until toward the end of his presidency. Sadly, how much work he could have done at the end was influenced by politics. The Lewinsky trials were the biggest joke in history. Then again, maybe this is what made him be a bit more assertive toward his positions?

But, our height in the 90s wasn't due to anything Clinton did. Clinton was the absolute best at not touching anything if he didn't have to. In other words, he was a real good president at not blowing what we had. Sad to say that he was far too soft in the international world and didn't pursue key interests such as Osama Bin Laden, which, despite what he says, happened on his watch.

Clinton restored the Democratically elected leader to Panama
Helped end the Kosovo conflict
Massively weakened Iraq
The GOP told Clinton to stop hunting for bin Laden, wouldn't approve of his requests
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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5/11/2012 7:47:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Clinton restored the Democratically elected leader to Panama
Helped end the Kosovo conflict

Noted accomplishments, but not very significant in the world.

Massively weakened Iraq

Iraq was crushed when they lost the war Their infrastructure was devastated and economy crushed.

The GOP told Clinton to stop hunting for bin Laden, wouldn't approve of his requests

It's an excuse, and it was one of the problems of his presidency. He was more assertive toward the end, but it was too late by then. Clinton was good when he didn't have to present his own agenda. There were also two failed attempts to kill him under his watch.

Like it or not, whatever excuse, it was under his watch, so he failed. He didn't have enough sayso to override everybody's options they provided him, but he could have done better.

Bush wasn't questioned nearly as much, and this was because Bush, as bad as he was, had the quality Clinton never had, and that was assertiveness and an agenda, two things he used to play the power game to get what he wanted.
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5/11/2012 7:51:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/11/2012 7:28:08 AM, cbrhawk1 wrote:
Oh, and for those who talk about Clinton, and why I didn't include him, just for discussions sake:

Clinton didn't have a real big direct impact until toward the end of his presidency. Sadly, how much work he could have done at the end was influenced by politics. The Lewinsky trials were the biggest joke in history. Then again, maybe this is what made him be a bit more assertive toward his positions?

But, our height in the 90s wasn't due to anything Clinton did. Clinton was the absolute best at not touching anything if he didn't have to. In other words, he was a real good president at not blowing what we had. Sad to say that he was far too soft in the international world and didn't pursue key interests such as Osama Bin Laden, which, despite what he says, happened on his watch.

He should at least get some credit for his Vice President creating the internet.
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5/11/2012 7:57:34 AM
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He should at least get some credit for his Vice President creating the internet.

That argument was funny before Al Gore became an hypocritical pig who just wants to steal money from people in the form of a Carbon tax.

Now, it's just sad to hear any claims about the leader of the Green Religion.
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5/11/2012 8:03:18 AM
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At 5/11/2012 8:01:49 AM, drafterman wrote:
George Washington. Even as a rotted away corpse, he outshines every single individual that has come after him.

He was in the 16th century not the 20th
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5/11/2012 8:50:04 AM
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At 5/11/2012 8:03:18 AM, RedneckR0nin wrote:
At 5/11/2012 8:01:49 AM, drafterman wrote:
George Washington. Even as a rotted away corpse, he outshines every single individual that has come after him.

He was in the 16th century not the 20th
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