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5/22/2012 7:51:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Basically Italy is pulling over people who drive expensive cars because they think those people are rich and now can pull them over to see if those rich people are paying taxes....

WTF
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5/22/2012 7:59:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 7:51:17 PM, imabench wrote:
Basically Italy is pulling over people who drive expensive cars because they think those people are rich and now can pull them over to see if those rich people are paying taxes....

WTF
http://news.yahoo.com...

Not that it justifies the practice, but it should be noted "Italian officials say they have discovered more than $12 billion in unpaid taxes already this year, and have identified more than 2,000 luxury car owners who underpaid taxes."
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5/22/2012 7:59:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Taxation kicks @ss
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5/22/2012 8:01:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Another example is here at home. We spend over $100 billion a year towards corporate welfare. This doesn't even include tax breaks/ deductions.

And my source is a conservative one. PAWNED

http://www.foxbusiness.com...
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5/22/2012 8:04:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 8:01:16 PM, Contra wrote:
Another example is here at home. We spend over $100 billion a year towards corporate welfare. This doesn't even include tax breaks/ deductions.

And my source is a conservative one. PAWNED

http://www.foxbusiness.com...

Conservatives are not for corporate welfare. Nobody is. It just comes out of the inevitably flawed democratic system that we have. Read Public Choice Theory.
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5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM
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Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"
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5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM
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At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.
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5/22/2012 8:06:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 7:51:17 PM, imabench wrote:
Basically Italy is pulling over people who drive expensive cars because they think those people are rich and now can pull them over to see if those rich people are paying taxes....

WTF
http://news.yahoo.com...

Personally, I'm with Adam Corolla on class warfare. We have raised a generation of @ss douches.
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5/22/2012 8:07:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.
Not conservative as in economic policy, conservative as in which party supports/proposed the policy.
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5/22/2012 8:07:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

False. In 2010, the US spent $800 billion on welfare.

http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us...
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5/22/2012 8:08:11 PM
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At 5/22/2012 8:01:16 PM, Contra wrote:
Another example is here at home. We spend over $100 billion a year towards corporate welfare. This doesn't even include tax breaks/ deductions.

And my source is a conservative one. PAWNED

http://www.foxbusiness.com...

I agree with ya ther.

However, people's conception of class rely much too heavily on Marx's theory than his precursors, the classical liberals. Look up Charles Comte and you'll see the original class analysis which actually takes into account both liberal and conservative complaints. Classes are divided between exploiters and those who are exploited (simplified). The political class are the exploiters who profit on the theft of producers (not necessarily capitalists, workers who pay taxes are included). This would include both the beneficiaries of corporate welfare and those on social welfare programs. It's not proletarians vs.bourgeois it's the political class and the economic class. Great article here by the fabulous Sheldon Richman. http://www.fff.org... or a more expansive one by Roderick Long available here. http://praxeology.net...
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5/22/2012 8:10:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 8:07:32 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

False. In 2010, the US spent $800 billion on welfare.

http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us...

A real question is what consists of "welfare" besides public housing assistance and the TANF program (the latter costs only $20 billion). Seriously?
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5/22/2012 8:12:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 8:10:43 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:07:32 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

False. In 2010, the US spent $800 billion on welfare.

http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us...

A real question is what consists of "welfare" besides public housing assistance and the TANF program (the latter costs only $20 billion). Seriously?

Scroll over the "sub-categories."
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5/22/2012 8:12:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 8:07:32 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

False. In 2010, the US spent $800 billion on welfare.

http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us...
http://www.downsizinggovernment.org...
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5/22/2012 8:22:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.

GODDAMN RIGHT!

Seriously, I am sick of the liberals strawmanning this issue.
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5/22/2012 8:23:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.

how the hell is corporate welfare conservative???
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5/22/2012 8:25:27 PM
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Well, shouldn't the rich be profiled for tax evasion, since they are the one's most likely to tax evade, since they are likely to have a greater incentive to.

And, yes I support racial and sex profiling.
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5/22/2012 8:25:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 8:23:52 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.

how the hell is corporate welfare conservative???

That was what Thett said.

Anyways, I have yet to find a true laissez faire conservative that supports corporate welfare
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5/22/2012 8:26:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 8:25:27 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Well, shouldn't the rich be profiled for tax evasion, since they are the one's most likely to tax evade, since they are likely to have a greater incentive to.

And, yes I support racial and sex profiling.

Huh. Good point.
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5/22/2012 9:02:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 8:23:52 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.

how the hell is corporate welfare conservative???

Conservatives are concerned with their main donors, the top 1% in most cases, or just the wealthy in general. Why do you think all the policies they advocate such as the Bush tax cuts help the wealthy? Especially when the Bush tax cuts hurt the middle class at the same time!

http://finance.yahoo.com...

I am not kidding. If you look at income groups, you see a trend for the most part. Conservatives may preach economic conservatism, but they only in many cases yield to the rich bankers/ people who invest in their campaigns.

Romney's top 5 donors in order:

1) Goldman Sachs
2) JP Morgan Chase
3) Bank of America
4) Morgan Stanley
5) Credit Suisse Group (Swiss Financial Group in Zurich)

Ironically Mitt Romney bashes Socialist Europe, even though taxpayers bailed out his major campaign donors to run his plutocratic run.

And large military spending is not fiscally responsible. Why people continue to associate conservatism with economic prudent choices continues to baffle me. Reagan was much more of a liberal spender than Obama. I apologize for all the bashing, but it is just too fun.

Conclusion: Conservatives love class warfare, from the other side. And they act like they care about America, which I believe many do, but having an antigovernment strategy, bringing the economy to brinksmanship every few months is not patriotic.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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5/22/2012 9:05:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 9:02:52 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:23:52 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.

how the hell is corporate welfare conservative???

Conservatives are concerned with their main donors, the top 1% in most cases, or just the wealthy in general. Why do you think all the policies they advocate such as the Bush tax cuts help the wealthy? Especially when the Bush tax cuts hurt the middle class at the same time!

http://finance.yahoo.com...

I am not kidding. If you look at income groups, you see a trend for the most part. Conservatives may preach economic conservatism, but they only in many cases yield to the rich bankers/ people who invest in their campaigns.

Romney's top 5 donors in order:

1) Goldman Sachs
2) JP Morgan Chase
3) Bank of America
4) Morgan Stanley
5) Credit Suisse Group (Swiss Financial Group in Zurich)

Ironically Mitt Romney bashes Socialist Europe, even though taxpayers bailed out his major campaign donors to run his plutocratic run.

And large military spending is not fiscally responsible. Why people continue to associate conservatism with economic prudent choices continues to baffle me. Reagan was much more of a liberal spender than Obama. I apologize for all the bashing, but it is just too fun.

Conclusion: Conservatives love class warfare, from the other side. And they act like they care about America, which I believe many do, but having an antigovernment strategy, bringing the economy to brinksmanship every few months is not patriotic.

Lol, I guess you can't grasp the difference between Republicans and Conservatives. Newsflash: Most Republicans are not Conservative.

I'm too lazy to refute your argument, but it only leads to the conclusion that Republicans suck, not Conservatives. Lol @ using Mittens as an example of a conservative
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5/22/2012 9:05:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 9:02:52 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:23:52 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.

how the hell is corporate welfare conservative???

Conservatives are concerned with their main donors, the top 1% in most cases, or just the wealthy in general. Why do you think all the policies they advocate such as the Bush tax cuts help the wealthy? Especially when the Bush tax cuts hurt the middle class at the same time!

http://finance.yahoo.com...

I am not kidding. If you look at income groups, you see a trend for the most part. Conservatives may preach economic conservatism, but they only in many cases yield to the rich bankers/ people who invest in their campaigns.

Romney's top 5 donors in order:

1) Goldman Sachs
2) JP Morgan Chase
3) Bank of America
4) Morgan Stanley
5) Credit Suisse Group (Swiss Financial Group in Zurich)

Ironically Mitt Romney bashes Socialist Europe, even though taxpayers bailed out his major campaign donors to run his plutocratic run.

And large military spending is not fiscally responsible. Why people continue to associate conservatism with economic prudent choices continues to baffle me. Reagan was much more of a liberal spender than Obama. I apologize for all the bashing, but it is just too fun.

Conclusion: Conservatives love class warfare, from the other side. And they act like they care about America, which I believe many do, but having an antigovernment strategy, bringing the economy to brinksmanship every few months is not patriotic.

Sometimes I read your posts, and mentally try to defend what you are saying, just as a game.
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5/22/2012 9:07:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 9:02:52 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:23:52 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.

how the hell is corporate welfare conservative???

Conservatives are concerned with their main donors, the top 1% in most cases, or just the wealthy in general. Why do you think all the policies they advocate such as the Bush tax cuts help the wealthy? Especially when the Bush tax cuts hurt the middle class at the same time!

http://finance.yahoo.com...

I am not kidding. If you look at income groups, you see a trend for the most part. Conservatives may preach economic conservatism, but they only in many cases yield to the rich bankers/ people who invest in their campaigns.

Romney's top 5 donors in order:

1) Goldman Sachs
2) JP Morgan Chase
3) Bank of America
4) Morgan Stanley
5) Credit Suisse Group (Swiss Financial Group in Zurich)

http://www.opensecrets.org...
Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, and Morgan Stanley are also right up there with Obama.
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5/22/2012 9:10:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 9:07:21 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 5/22/2012 9:02:52 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:23:52 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.

how the hell is corporate welfare conservative???

Conservatives are concerned with their main donors, the top 1% in most cases, or just the wealthy in general. Why do you think all the policies they advocate such as the Bush tax cuts help the wealthy? Especially when the Bush tax cuts hurt the middle class at the same time!

http://finance.yahoo.com...

I am not kidding. If you look at income groups, you see a trend for the most part. Conservatives may preach economic conservatism, but they only in many cases yield to the rich bankers/ people who invest in their campaigns.

Romney's top 5 donors in order:

1) Goldman Sachs
2) JP Morgan Chase
3) Bank of America
4) Morgan Stanley
5) Credit Suisse Group (Swiss Financial Group in Zurich)

http://www.opensecrets.org...
Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, and Morgan Stanley are also right up there with Obama.

In 2008...
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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5/22/2012 9:10:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 9:05:53 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 5/22/2012 9:02:52 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:23:52 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.

how the hell is corporate welfare conservative???

Conservatives are concerned with their main donors, the top 1% in most cases, or just the wealthy in general. Why do you think all the policies they advocate such as the Bush tax cuts help the wealthy? Especially when the Bush tax cuts hurt the middle class at the same time!

http://finance.yahoo.com...

I am not kidding. If you look at income groups, you see a trend for the most part. Conservatives may preach economic conservatism, but they only in many cases yield to the rich bankers/ people who invest in their campaigns.

Romney's top 5 donors in order:

1) Goldman Sachs
2) JP Morgan Chase
3) Bank of America
4) Morgan Stanley
5) Credit Suisse Group (Swiss Financial Group in Zurich)

Ironically Mitt Romney bashes Socialist Europe, even though taxpayers bailed out his major campaign donors to run his plutocratic run.

And large military spending is not fiscally responsible. Why people continue to associate conservatism with economic prudent choices continues to baffle me. Reagan was much more of a liberal spender than Obama. I apologize for all the bashing, but it is just too fun.

Conclusion: Conservatives love class warfare, from the other side. And they act like they care about America, which I believe many do, but having an antigovernment strategy, bringing the economy to brinksmanship every few months is not patriotic.

Sometimes I read your posts, and mentally try to defend what you are saying, just as a game.

What do you mean?
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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5/22/2012 9:11:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 9:10:15 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 9:07:21 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 5/22/2012 9:02:52 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:23:52 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.

how the hell is corporate welfare conservative???

Conservatives are concerned with their main donors, the top 1% in most cases, or just the wealthy in general. Why do you think all the policies they advocate such as the Bush tax cuts help the wealthy? Especially when the Bush tax cuts hurt the middle class at the same time!

http://finance.yahoo.com...

I am not kidding. If you look at income groups, you see a trend for the most part. Conservatives may preach economic conservatism, but they only in many cases yield to the rich bankers/ people who invest in their campaigns.

Romney's top 5 donors in order:

1) Goldman Sachs
2) JP Morgan Chase
3) Bank of America
4) Morgan Stanley
5) Credit Suisse Group (Swiss Financial Group in Zurich)

http://www.opensecrets.org...
Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, and Morgan Stanley are also right up there with Obama.

In 2008...

So...
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5/22/2012 9:13:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 9:10:48 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 9:05:53 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 5/22/2012 9:02:52 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:23:52 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.

how the hell is corporate welfare conservative???

Conservatives are concerned with their main donors, the top 1% in most cases, or just the wealthy in general. Why do you think all the policies they advocate such as the Bush tax cuts help the wealthy? Especially when the Bush tax cuts hurt the middle class at the same time!

http://finance.yahoo.com...

I am not kidding. If you look at income groups, you see a trend for the most part. Conservatives may preach economic conservatism, but they only in many cases yield to the rich bankers/ people who invest in their campaigns.

Romney's top 5 donors in order:

1) Goldman Sachs
2) JP Morgan Chase
3) Bank of America
4) Morgan Stanley
5) Credit Suisse Group (Swiss Financial Group in Zurich)

Ironically Mitt Romney bashes Socialist Europe, even though taxpayers bailed out his major campaign donors to run his plutocratic run.

And large military spending is not fiscally responsible. Why people continue to associate conservatism with economic prudent choices continues to baffle me. Reagan was much more of a liberal spender than Obama. I apologize for all the bashing, but it is just too fun.

Conclusion: Conservatives love class warfare, from the other side. And they act like they care about America, which I believe many do, but having an antigovernment strategy, bringing the economy to brinksmanship every few months is not patriotic.

Sometimes I read your posts, and mentally try to defend what you are saying, just as a game.

What do you mean?

Frankly, it doesn't surprise me you can't understand what I mean.
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5/22/2012 9:13:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 9:11:13 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 9:10:15 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 9:07:21 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 5/22/2012 9:02:52 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:23:52 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:06:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/22/2012 8:04:39 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
Cost of Welfare: $20 billion per year (liberal policy)
Cost of Corporate Welfare: $100 billion a year (conservative policy)

Now which one is doing more of "spreading the wealth around?"

Corporate welfare is Conservative? Huh, and here I was thinking economic conservatism was laissez faire.

how the hell is corporate welfare conservative???

Conservatives are concerned with their main donors, the top 1% in most cases, or just the wealthy in general. Why do you think all the policies they advocate such as the Bush tax cuts help the wealthy? Especially when the Bush tax cuts hurt the middle class at the same time!

http://finance.yahoo.com...

I am not kidding. If you look at income groups, you see a trend for the most part. Conservatives may preach economic conservatism, but they only in many cases yield to the rich bankers/ people who invest in their campaigns.

Romney's top 5 donors in order:

1) Goldman Sachs
2) JP Morgan Chase
3) Bank of America
4) Morgan Stanley
5) Credit Suisse Group (Swiss Financial Group in Zurich)

http://www.opensecrets.org...
Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, and Morgan Stanley are also right up there with Obama.

In 2008...

So...

And the better question was this from the employees of the banks or the legitimate heads/ CEOs funding his run?
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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5/22/2012 9:19:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 9:10:15 PM, Contra wrote:
At 5/22/2012 9:07:21 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 5/22/2012 9:02:52 PM, Contra wrote:
I am not kidding. If you look at income groups, you see a trend for the most part. Conservatives may preach economic conservatism, but they only in many cases yield to the rich bankers/ people who invest in their campaigns.

Romney's top 5 donors in order:

1) Goldman Sachs
2) JP Morgan Chase
3) Bank of America
4) Morgan Stanley
5) Credit Suisse Group (Swiss Financial Group in Zurich)

http://www.opensecrets.org...
Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, and Morgan Stanley are also right up there with Obama.

In 2008...

Lol
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