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PervRat
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8/11/2009 8:49:33 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
This question was put to North Carolinians recently

46% of the general North Carolinian population either believe he was not born in the U.S. or are not sure.

76% of North Carolinians believe Obama was either not born in the U.S. or they are not sure.

A follow-up question asked whether they believed Hawaii was a state in the U.S.

8% of the general North Carolina population was either uncertain or was certain Hawaii is not a state of the United States. 12% of Republican North Carolinians believed Hawaii is not a state of the United States, or were not certain.

Source: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com...
GeoLaureate8
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8/11/2009 8:56:01 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/11/2009 8:49:33 PM, PervRat wrote:
8% of the general North Carolina population was either uncertain or was certain Hawaii is not a state of the United States. 12% of Republican North Carolinians believed Hawaii is not a state of the United States, or were not certain.

Fail.

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8/11/2009 8:57:17 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/11/2009 8:49:33 PM, PervRat wrote:
This question was put to North Carolinians recently

46% of the general North Carolinian population either believe he was not born in the U.S. or are not sure.

76% of North Carolinians believe Obama was either not born in the U.S. or they are not sure.

A follow-up question asked whether they believed Hawaii was a state in the U.S.

8% of the general North Carolina population was either uncertain or was certain Hawaii is not a state of the United States. 12% of Republican North Carolinians believed Hawaii is not a state of the United States, or were not certain.

Source: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com...

Respondants, not population.
Xer
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8/11/2009 9:27:35 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
So, the question remains.

Is Hawaii a state?

I've always thought of it as a USFG conspiracy to get to an even 50 states. 49 states just doesn't look cool enough.

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We had a thread on this topic earlier:
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8/11/2009 9:33:33 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/11/2009 9:27:35 PM, Nags wrote:
So, the question remains.

Is Hawaii a state?

I've always thought of it as a USFG conspiracy to get to an even 50 states. 49 states just doesn't look cool enough.

It's those damn atheists corrupting our perfect union that was a square of the 7 celestial bodies.
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8/11/2009 10:45:21 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/11/2009 8:49:33 PM, PervRat wrote:
This question was put to North Carolinians recently

46% of the general North Carolinian population either believe he was not born in the U.S. or are not sure.

76% of North Carolinians believe Obama was either not born in the U.S. or they are not sure.

A follow-up question asked whether they believed Hawaii was a state in the U.S.

8% of the general North Carolina population was either uncertain or was certain Hawaii is not a state of the United States. 12% of Republican North Carolinians believed Hawaii is not a state of the United States, or were not certain.

Source: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com...

That was a poll made by automatic telephone calling. I'm pretty sure anybody with a brain hangs up as soon as they get called by a machine.
46% of the population in NC believing that Obama is possibly not a natural born citizen? Nah. I don't think so. Not even americans are that stupid.
So prove me wrong, then.
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8/11/2009 11:20:44 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/11/2009 10:45:21 PM, regebro wrote:

That was a poll made by automatic telephone calling. I'm pretty sure anybody with a brain hangs up as soon as they get called by a machine.
46% of the population in NC believing that Obama is possibly not a natural born citizen? Nah. I don't think so. Not even americans are that stupid.

http://www.nytimes.com...

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8/11/2009 11:34:24 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Why are we concerned about this? Obama is clearly from another planet.
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8/12/2009 12:19:54 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/11/2009 11:20:44 PM, Puck wrote:
At 8/11/2009 10:45:21 PM, regebro wrote:

That was a poll made by automatic telephone calling. I'm pretty sure anybody with a brain hangs up as soon as they get called by a machine.
46% of the population in NC believing that Obama is possibly not a natural born citizen? Nah. I don't think so. Not even americans are that stupid.

http://www.nytimes.com...

Science does not equal intelligence.
So prove me wrong, then.
regebro
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8/12/2009 1:32:15 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 12:55:55 AM, Puck wrote:
I wasn't aware I said it did. :P

"One adult American in five thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth"

That's not almost 50% as in the Obama Poll.
So prove me wrong, then.
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8/12/2009 3:28:05 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
What does it matter? He's an American, right?

It reminds me of an incident during the election campaign when a woman suggested that Obama was a Muslim and McCain replied that he wasn't, he was a "family man".

So what if he was a Muslim? And can't Muslim men also be family men? And would McCain have said the same thing if she had accused Obama of being a Christian?

The point is, he is the best man for the job and his place of birth and his religious background should be irrelevant.
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8/12/2009 6:45:17 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
They did produce his certificate and two newspaper cuttings announcing his birth. And then the right produced a fake Kenyan Birth Cert.

FAIL
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8/12/2009 8:00:01 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 6:45:17 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
They did produce his certificate and two newspaper cuttings announcing his birth. And then the right produced a fake Kenyan Birth Cert.

FAIL

Well, temporary success for the right. They swindled some people into a hard anti-Obama stance.
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At 10/11/2009 10:00:21 PM, regebro wrote:
Only exists in your head, as already shown.

At 10/11/2009 8:28:18 PM, banker wrote:
reveal why you answer with a question mark
At 10/11/2009 10:00:21 PM, regebro wrote:
Because it was a question.

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8/12/2009 9:45:50 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 12:55:55 AM, Puck wrote:
I wasn't aware I said it did. :P

"One adult American in five thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth"

Evidence plz.
JBlake
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8/12/2009 10:19:30 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 8:00:01 AM, ToastOfDestiny wrote:
At 8/12/2009 6:45:17 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
They did produce his certificate and two newspaper cuttings announcing his birth. And then the right produced a fake Kenyan Birth Cert.

FAIL

Well, temporary success for the right. They swindled some people into a hard anti-Obama stance.

I don't know if it can be called successful. When Bil O'Reilly tells you you are being unreasonable, you know you've done something very very wrong.
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8/12/2009 11:03:54 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 9:45:50 AM, MTGandP wrote:
At 8/12/2009 12:55:55 AM, Puck wrote:
I wasn't aware I said it did. :P

"One adult American in five thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth"

Evidence plz.

The evidence is in the link he provided earlier. http://www.nytimes.com...
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Volkov
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8/12/2009 11:14:30 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
I used to think Alaska should be a Canadian province.

Then I saw Sarah Palin. Now I want to separate the landmass from us.

But, that beings me to this question; how many Americans do you think understand Alaska was once Russian? Or is not connected to the continental US? I bet at least a quarter don't.

This could be a fun game!
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8/12/2009 11:17:14 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 11:14:30 AM, Volkov wrote:
I used to think Alaska should be a Canadian province.

Then I saw Sarah Palin. Now I want to separate the landmass from us.

But, that beings me to this question; how many Americans do you think understand Alaska was once Russian? Or is not connected to the continental US? I bet at least a quarter don't.

This could be a fun game!

Bar is far too low.

I wonder how many think Russia is still communist.
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8/12/2009 11:23:47 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 3:28:05 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
What does it matter? He's an American, right?

It reminds me of an incident during the election campaign when a woman suggested that Obama was a Muslim and McCain replied that he wasn't, he was a "family man".

So what if he was a Muslim? And can't Muslim men also be family men? And would McCain have said the same thing if she had accused Obama of being a Christian?

The point is, he is the best man for the job and his place of birth and his religious background should be irrelevant.

He is clearly not the best man for the job. Obviously, Obama has screwed us over to an extreme degree. Look at the recent "Cash for Clunkers" and the health care bill.
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8/12/2009 11:26:46 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 11:21:17 AM, mongeese wrote:
I wonder how many people believe in twin telepathy. Far too many do.

Well, there is still strong belief that astrology can accurately describe your future in career, love life and etc., so it wouldn't surprise me if over 50% believe in 'twin telepathy.'
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8/12/2009 11:35:17 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 6:45:17 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
They did produce his certificate and two newspaper cuttings announcing his birth. And then the right produced a fake Kenyan Birth Cert.

FAIL

They produced a certificate of live birth (COLB), not a birth certificate. It's been explained over and over again why a COLB is not the same as a birth certificate.
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8/12/2009 11:46:24 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
The COLB issue is made up. My "vault copy" is a called a COLB. The document produced is all that is needed. Isn't this great! Liz Cheney was not even able to say she thinks this whole movement is nutty because the Repubs need these people.

Democratic Strategist: "How can we make Repubs sound just like the fringe wing nuts at WND? Maybe link them to a conspiracy theory or something?"

[Liz Cheney interview] [Sarah Palin and "death panels" statement]

Democratic Strategist: "Never mind. They don't need our help"

I say keep the issues going! Why stop the trains when we can enjoy the wreck.
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Xer
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8/12/2009 11:54:58 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
When speculations that McCain was born elsewhere arose, he produced his actual birth certificate.

When speculations that Obama was born elsewhere arose, he produced his COLB.

Doesn't make sense to me.
Volkov
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8/12/2009 11:57:12 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
The Republicans, like the Conservatives here, have two main issues with their image.

One; Stupid individuals. Not necessarily that their members are stupid, but what they say is sometimes stupid. This is why no Conservative here is allowed to speak out on their own - Harper knows they'll just say something stupid. Same with the Republicans.

Two; Stupid movements. The Republicans have these "birthers," these anti-health care people, these evangelical 'death squad' promoting former governors... it is pure fodder for the Democrats. The right-wing of North American seems to be deers trapped in the headlights of an oncoming leftist truck.

Until both of these issues are resolved, you'll have things like this birther movement taking hold and strangling the life out of it - Liz Cheney's inability to call them out is just an example.
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8/12/2009 12:07:36 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 11:35:17 AM, Nags wrote:
At 8/12/2009 6:45:17 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
They did produce his certificate and two newspaper cuttings announcing his birth. And then the right produced a fake Kenyan Birth Cert.

FAIL

They produced a certificate of live birth (COLB), not a birth certificate. It's been explained over and over again why a COLB is not the same as a birth certificate.

They also produced two newspaper articles announcing his birth in Honolulu. It would have to be quite the conspiracy (and a poorly executed one, at that) for them to have planted the newspaper clippings in the 60's, knowing he would one day run for president and his birthplace would be in doubt. Yet, in devising this plan they somehow forgot the birth certificate.

I think it is pretty clear that he was born in Hawaii.
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8/12/2009 12:14:07 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 12:07:36 PM, JBlake wrote:
At 8/12/2009 11:35:17 AM, Nags wrote:
At 8/12/2009 6:45:17 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
They did produce his certificate and two newspaper cuttings announcing his birth. And then the right produced a fake Kenyan Birth Cert.

FAIL

They produced a certificate of live birth (COLB), not a birth certificate. It's been explained over and over again why a COLB is not the same as a birth certificate.

They also produced two newspaper articles announcing his birth in Honolulu. It would have to be quite the conspiracy (and a poorly executed one, at that) for them to have planted the newspaper clippings in the 60's, knowing he would one day run for president and his birthplace would be in doubt. Yet, in devising this plan they somehow forgot the birth certificate.

I think it is pretty clear that he was born in Hawaii.

I've never heard that before. Source plz?
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8/12/2009 12:39:22 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 11:03:54 AM, Osiris wrote:
At 8/12/2009 9:45:50 AM, MTGandP wrote:
At 8/12/2009 12:55:55 AM, Puck wrote:
I wasn't aware I said it did. :P

"One adult American in five thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth"

Evidence plz.


The evidence is in the link he provided earlier. http://www.nytimes.com...

Oh, so the New York Times just knows this. Hmm.