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5/30/2012 11:45:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
If I were to make the argument that the United States should colonize the more significant countries in the Middle East, would anyone support the idea? If so, why? If not, why not?

I'm more or less just curious about how the idea of imperialism sits with some of our members here.
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5/30/2012 11:51:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/30/2012 11:45:07 PM, YYW wrote:
If I were to make the argument that the United States should colonize the more significant countries in the Middle East, would anyone support the idea? If so, why? If not, why not?

I'm more or less just curious about how the idea of imperialism sits with some of our members here.

I'm ok with an empire of liberty, but not an empire of tyranny, which is the usual case with empires.
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5/30/2012 11:56:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/30/2012 11:50:23 PM, darkkermit wrote:
US would be unsuccessful. Look how much resources that need to be maintained for Afganistan and Iraq.

The problem is that we aren't running the show. If Americans comprised the leadership infrastructure, then Afghanistan would be just fantastic. Same with Iraq. Moreover, if we colonized Iraq, then the oil fields would make our several hundred billion dollars of foreign "investment" worthwhile.
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5/30/2012 11:56:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/30/2012 11:51:16 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:45:07 PM, YYW wrote:
If I were to make the argument that the United States should colonize the more significant countries in the Middle East, would anyone support the idea? If so, why? If not, why not?

I'm more or less just curious about how the idea of imperialism sits with some of our members here.


I'm ok with an empire of liberty, but not an empire of tyranny, which is the usual case with empires.

Liberty and tyranny for whom?
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5/30/2012 11:59:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/30/2012 11:51:16 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:45:07 PM, YYW wrote:
If I were to make the argument that the United States should colonize the more significant countries in the Middle East, would anyone support the idea? If so, why? If not, why not?

I'm more or less just curious about how the idea of imperialism sits with some of our members here.


I'm ok with an empire of liberty, but not an empire of tyranny, which is the usual case with empires.

To further clarify, I believe America should spread liberty, establishing states simular to the US, and possibly including them into our federation.
Before we can do this we need to liberate ourselves by restoring the constitution.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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5/31/2012 12:01:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/30/2012 11:59:13 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:51:16 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:45:07 PM, YYW wrote:
If I were to make the argument that the United States should colonize the more significant countries in the Middle East, would anyone support the idea? If so, why? If not, why not?

I'm more or less just curious about how the idea of imperialism sits with some of our members here.


I'm ok with an empire of liberty, but not an empire of tyranny, which is the usual case with empires.


To further clarify, I believe America should spread liberty, establishing states simular to the US, and possibly including them into our federation.
Before we can do this we need to liberate ourselves by restoring the constitution.

What does restoring the constitution mean to you? Like remove voting rights for certain groups? Put restrictions on government? restrict spending?

I'm asking this sincerely as I imagine "Restore the constitution" means something different to a lot of people.
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5/31/2012 12:02:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/30/2012 11:56:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:51:16 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:45:07 PM, YYW wrote:
If I were to make the argument that the United States should colonize the more significant countries in the Middle East, would anyone support the idea? If so, why? If not, why not?

I'm more or less just curious about how the idea of imperialism sits with some of our members here.


I'm ok with an empire of liberty, but not an empire of tyranny, which is the usual case with empires.

Liberty and tyranny for whom?

Both parties, which is why it's crucial we restore our constitution before doing so.
Also, we should only liberate oppressive states which may pose a threat. Like nazi Germany
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5/31/2012 12:03:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Afghanistan is worthless. Take iraq.
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5/31/2012 12:04:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:01:35 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:59:13 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:51:16 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:45:07 PM, YYW wrote:
If I were to make the argument that the United States should colonize the more significant countries in the Middle East, would anyone support the idea? If so, why? If not, why not?

I'm more or less just curious about how the idea of imperialism sits with some of our members here.


I'm ok with an empire of liberty, but not an empire of tyranny, which is the usual case with empires.


To further clarify, I believe America should spread liberty, establishing states simular to the US, and possibly including them into our federation.
Before we can do this we need to liberate ourselves by restoring the constitution.

What does restoring the constitution mean to you? Like remove voting rights for certain groups? Put restrictions on government? restrict spending?

I'm asking this sincerely as I imagine "Restore the constitution" means something different to a lot of people.

Indeed it does. Moreover, "restore the constitution" implies that it is/was at some point lost. It wasn't.
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5/31/2012 12:04:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:03:25 AM, 16kadams wrote:
Afghanistan is worthless. Take iraq.

But Afghanistan is where our opium fields are.
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5/31/2012 12:05:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:01:35 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:59:13 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:51:16 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:45:07 PM, YYW wrote:
If I were to make the argument that the United States should colonize the more significant countries in the Middle East, would anyone support the idea? If so, why? If not, why not?

I'm more or less just curious about how the idea of imperialism sits with some of our members here.


I'm ok with an empire of liberty, but not an empire of tyranny, which is the usual case with empires.


To further clarify, I believe America should spread liberty, establishing states simular to the US, and possibly including them into our federation.
Before we can do this we need to liberate ourselves by restoring the constitution.

What does restoring the constitution mean to you? Like remove voting rights for certain groups? Put restrictions on government? restrict spending?

I'm asking this sincerely as I imagine "Restore the constitution" means something different to a lot of people.

Removing unconstitutional policies, programs, and practices. If we wish to keep certain policies, programs, or practices, we have an amendment process.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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5/31/2012 12:06:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:05:18 AM, FREEDO wrote:
We already do colonize the middle east, lol.

We have no colonies in the middle east.
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5/31/2012 12:06:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:05:17 AM, DanT wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:01:35 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:59:13 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:51:16 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:45:07 PM, YYW wrote:
If I were to make the argument that the United States should colonize the more significant countries in the Middle East, would anyone support the idea? If so, why? If not, why not?

I'm more or less just curious about how the idea of imperialism sits with some of our members here.


I'm ok with an empire of liberty, but not an empire of tyranny, which is the usual case with empires.


To further clarify, I believe America should spread liberty, establishing states simular to the US, and possibly including them into our federation.
Before we can do this we need to liberate ourselves by restoring the constitution.

What does restoring the constitution mean to you? Like remove voting rights for certain groups? Put restrictions on government? restrict spending?

I'm asking this sincerely as I imagine "Restore the constitution" means something different to a lot of people.


Removing unconstitutional policies, programs, and practices. If we wish to keep certain policies, programs, or practices, we have an amendment process.

Could you be specific?
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5/31/2012 12:06:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:03:25 AM, 16kadams wrote:
Afghanistan is worthless. Take iraq.

They sell opium. The British made a lovely event of opium sales before, against a country whose GDP is poised to overtake the US's in a matter of years. They also have goats.

The real reason I support colonizing Afghanistan though is to establish a police state. By maintaining a big-brother structure... the possibilities for fighting the war on terror would be limitless.
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5/31/2012 12:08:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:05:18 AM, FREEDO wrote:
We already do colonize the middle east, lol.

De facto.... sure. I want legally sanctioned, recognized colonization.
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5/31/2012 12:08:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:06:22 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:05:17 AM, DanT wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:01:35 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:59:13 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:51:16 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:45:07 PM, YYW wrote:
If I were to make the argument that the United States should colonize the more significant countries in the Middle East, would anyone support the idea? If so, why? If not, why not?

I'm more or less just curious about how the idea of imperialism sits with some of our members here.


I'm ok with an empire of liberty, but not an empire of tyranny, which is the usual case with empires.


To further clarify, I believe America should spread liberty, establishing states simular to the US, and possibly including them into our federation.
Before we can do this we need to liberate ourselves by restoring the constitution.

What does restoring the constitution mean to you? Like remove voting rights for certain groups? Put restrictions on government? restrict spending?

I'm asking this sincerely as I imagine "Restore the constitution" means something different to a lot of people.


Removing unconstitutional policies, programs, and practices. If we wish to keep certain policies, programs, or practices, we have an amendment process.

Could you be specific?

Freedom of speech zones, the assasination of us citizens, ect.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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5/31/2012 12:10:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:08:14 AM, DanT wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:06:22 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:05:17 AM, DanT wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:01:35 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:59:13 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:51:16 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:45:07 PM, YYW wrote:
If I were to make the argument that the United States should colonize the more significant countries in the Middle East, would anyone support the idea? If so, why? If not, why not?

I'm more or less just curious about how the idea of imperialism sits with some of our members here.


I'm ok with an empire of liberty, but not an empire of tyranny, which is the usual case with empires.


To further clarify, I believe America should spread liberty, establishing states simular to the US, and possibly including them into our federation.
Before we can do this we need to liberate ourselves by restoring the constitution.

What does restoring the constitution mean to you? Like remove voting rights for certain groups? Put restrictions on government? restrict spending?

I'm asking this sincerely as I imagine "Restore the constitution" means something different to a lot of people.


Removing unconstitutional policies, programs, and practices. If we wish to keep certain policies, programs, or practices, we have an amendment process.

Could you be specific?

Freedom of speech zones, the assasination of us citizens, ect.

Recognize that when a US citizen takes up arms against the US, constitutional rights disappear. Being an enemy of the state precludes your enjoyment of the benefits of a state.

rofl
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5/31/2012 12:11:31 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:06:47 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:03:25 AM, 16kadams wrote:
Afghanistan is worthless. Take iraq.

They sell opium. The British made a lovely event of opium sales before, against a country whose GDP is poised to overtake the US's in a matter of years. They also have goats.

Opium is illegal in most countries, and in the US, we would be forced by international treaty to not allow the movement of drugs. Also their economy sucks, adding "US" to it would not help.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.unodc.org...


The real reason I support colonizing Afghanistan though is to establish a police state. By maintaining a big-brother structure... the possibilities for fighting the war on terror would be limitless.

kick the crap out of them
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5/31/2012 12:13:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:11:31 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:06:47 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:03:25 AM, 16kadams wrote:
Afghanistan is worthless. Take iraq.

They sell opium. The British made a lovely event of opium sales before, against a country whose GDP is poised to overtake the US's in a matter of years. They also have goats.

Opium is illegal in most countries, and in the US, we would be forced by international treaty to not allow the movement of drugs. Also their economy sucks, adding "US" to it would not help.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.unodc.org...


The real reason I support colonizing Afghanistan though is to establish a police state. By maintaining a big-brother structure... the possibilities for fighting the war on terror would be limitless.

kick the crap out of them

lol, I was suggesting that the US should restart the opium wars with China to reduce the chinese economic output. And yes. I agree with your strategy of kicking "the crap out of them."
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5/31/2012 12:18:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:10:44 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:08:14 AM, DanT wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:06:22 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:05:17 AM, DanT wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:01:35 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:59:13 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:51:16 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/30/2012 11:45:07 PM, YYW wrote:
If I were to make the argument that the United States should colonize the more significant countries in the Middle East, would anyone support the idea? If so, why? If not, why not?

I'm more or less just curious about how the idea of imperialism sits with some of our members here.


I'm ok with an empire of liberty, but not an empire of tyranny, which is the usual case with empires.


To further clarify, I believe America should spread liberty, establishing states simular to the US, and possibly including them into our federation.
Before we can do this we need to liberate ourselves by restoring the constitution.

What does restoring the constitution mean to you? Like remove voting rights for certain groups? Put restrictions on government? restrict spending?

I'm asking this sincerely as I imagine "Restore the constitution" means something different to a lot of people.


Removing unconstitutional policies, programs, and practices. If we wish to keep certain policies, programs, or practices, we have an amendment process.

Could you be specific?

Freedom of speech zones, the assasination of us citizens, ect.

Recognize that when a US citizen takes up arms against the US, constitutional rights disappear. Being an enemy of the state precludes your enjoyment of the benefits of a state.

rofl

If a citizen takes up arms against the state, they are by constitutional definition a traitor. Constitutionally one cannot be deemed a traitor unless they confess in open court or 2 witnesses have been provided before a judge. One of those two criteria must be met before one can be deemed a traitor.
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5/31/2012 12:19:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:13:51 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:11:31 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:06:47 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:03:25 AM, 16kadams wrote:
Afghanistan is worthless. Take iraq.

They sell opium. The British made a lovely event of opium sales before, against a country whose GDP is poised to overtake the US's in a matter of years. They also have goats.

Opium is illegal in most countries, and in the US, we would be forced by international treaty to not allow the movement of drugs. Also their economy sucks, adding "US" to it would not help.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.unodc.org...


The real reason I support colonizing Afghanistan though is to establish a police state. By maintaining a big-brother structure... the possibilities for fighting the war on terror would be limitless.

kick the crap out of them

lol, I was suggesting that the US should restart the opium wars with China to reduce the chinese economic output. And yes. I agree with your strategy of kicking "the crap out of them."

>:D
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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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5/31/2012 12:26:41 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:19:01 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:13:51 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:11:31 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:06:47 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:03:25 AM, 16kadams wrote:
Afghanistan is worthless. Take iraq.

They sell opium. The British made a lovely event of opium sales before, against a country whose GDP is poised to overtake the US's in a matter of years. They also have goats.

Opium is illegal in most countries, and in the US, we would be forced by international treaty to not allow the movement of drugs. Also their economy sucks, adding "US" to it would not help.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.unodc.org...


The real reason I support colonizing Afghanistan though is to establish a police state. By maintaining a big-brother structure... the possibilities for fighting the war on terror would be limitless.

kick the crap out of them

lol, I was suggesting that the US should restart the opium wars with China to reduce the chinese economic output. And yes. I agree with your strategy of kicking "the crap out of them."

>:D

Might as well try to get some big a$$ drug war started in China... if the government will give a sh!t
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5/31/2012 12:33:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:26:41 AM, vmpire321 wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:19:01 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:13:51 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:11:31 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:06:47 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:03:25 AM, 16kadams wrote:
Afghanistan is worthless. Take iraq.

They sell opium. The British made a lovely event of opium sales before, against a country whose GDP is poised to overtake the US's in a matter of years. They also have goats.

Opium is illegal in most countries, and in the US, we would be forced by international treaty to not allow the movement of drugs. Also their economy sucks, adding "US" to it would not help.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.unodc.org...


The real reason I support colonizing Afghanistan though is to establish a police state. By maintaining a big-brother structure... the possibilities for fighting the war on terror would be limitless.

kick the crap out of them

lol, I was suggesting that the US should restart the opium wars with China to reduce the chinese economic output. And yes. I agree with your strategy of kicking "the crap out of them."

>:D

Might as well try to get some big a$$ drug war started in China... if the government will give a sh!t

We have been fighting a "war on drugs" that's been an economic drain on the country for the better part of there decades. Might as well start one that benefits us...
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5/31/2012 12:35:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:33:56 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:26:41 AM, vmpire321 wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:19:01 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:13:51 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:11:31 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:06:47 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/31/2012 12:03:25 AM, 16kadams wrote:
Afghanistan is worthless. Take iraq.

They sell opium. The British made a lovely event of opium sales before, against a country whose GDP is poised to overtake the US's in a matter of years. They also have goats.

Opium is illegal in most countries, and in the US, we would be forced by international treaty to not allow the movement of drugs. Also their economy sucks, adding "US" to it would not help.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.unodc.org...


The real reason I support colonizing Afghanistan though is to establish a police state. By maintaining a big-brother structure... the possibilities for fighting the war on terror would be limitless.

kick the crap out of them

lol, I was suggesting that the US should restart the opium wars with China to reduce the chinese economic output. And yes. I agree with your strategy of kicking "the crap out of them."

>:D

Might as well try to get some big a$$ drug war started in China... if the government will give a sh!t

We have been fighting a "war on drugs" that's been an economic drain on the country for the better part of there decades. Might as well start one that benefits us...

lol
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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5/31/2012 12:37:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 12:37:27 AM, vmpire321 wrote:
The concept actually seems pretty legit to me =/. I'm just a little doubtful on the practicality of it.

*is referring to the colonization*