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6/1/2012 7:14:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I recently discovered that most employers are required by law to have two forms of state-issued identification per employee. I understand that the rationale was to limit the opportunities for illegal immigrants and thereby disincentivize immigration, but this process does nothing but harm the homeless because the illegal immigrants are usually able to obtain employment illegally. Contrary to popular opinion, most homeless individuals are not dilatory bums; most find it difficult to obtain legal employment because they do not have the necessary identification, and even if they do, very few people are willing to hire homeless individuals due to stigma.

Thoughts on how we can improve the situation? My guess is that we should provide some sort of stable housing. I do realize that programs exist for this, but they obviously do not help very many people.
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6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the wokrplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?
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6/1/2012 8:22:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the wokrplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The reason that they have the addictions in the first place is that they have to deal with the mental trauma that results from the horrible conditions that they live in.
The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?
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6/1/2012 8:28:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:22:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the wokrplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The reason that they have the addictions in the first place is that they have to deal with the mental trauma that results from the horrible conditions that they live in.
The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?

I think that's an oversimplification. People become homeless for many reasons, but a good number of them have pre-existing mental illnesses and addictions that helped get them there - not that this makes them any less of a person or means that their suffering is justified.
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6/1/2012 8:32:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm not sure that any job requiring two forms of ID is the kind of job a homeless person would be qualified for anyway.

When I had my first job at Boston Market, I don't remember providing rigorous identification.
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6/1/2012 8:34:59 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:28:08 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:22:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the wokrplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The reason that they have the addictions in the first place is that they have to deal with the mental trauma that results from the horrible conditions that they live in.
The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?

I think that's an oversimplification. People become homeless for many reasons, but a good number of them have pre-existing mental illnesses and addictions that helped get them there - not that this makes them any less of a person or means that their suffering is justified.

This is a fair point, but I would argue that many homeless people also become addicts as a result of their conditions.
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6/1/2012 8:35:41 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:32:01 AM, drafterman wrote:
I'm not sure that any job requiring two forms of ID is the kind of job a homeless person would be qualified for anyway.

When I had my first job at Boston Market, I don't remember providing rigorous identification.

When did you start this job? Perhaps standards have changed since then. I am fairly certain that the homeless are qualified to have hotel jobs.
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6/1/2012 8:35:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:32:01 AM, drafterman wrote:
I'm not sure that any job requiring two forms of ID is the kind of job a homeless person would be qualified for anyway.

When I had my first job at Boston Market, I don't remember providing rigorous identification.

Not true, I'm working for the summer at TJ Maxx and for orientation they require two forms of ID just for an entry level, minimum wage position. The homeless should still have at least 1 form of ID on them, it's very basic and makes it really difficult for employers if they can't confirm your identity.
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6/1/2012 8:36:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:35:55 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:32:01 AM, drafterman wrote:
I'm not sure that any job requiring two forms of ID is the kind of job a homeless person would be qualified for anyway.

When I had my first job at Boston Market, I don't remember providing rigorous identification.

Not true, I'm working for the summer at TJ Maxx and for orientation they require two forms of ID just for an entry level, minimum wage position. The homeless should still have at least 1 form of ID on them, it's very basic and makes it really difficult for employers if they can't confirm your identity.

The problem with this is that many homeless individuals have their IDs stolen/taken away by the police.
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6/1/2012 8:36:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:34:59 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:28:08 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:22:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the wokrplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The reason that they have the addictions in the first place is that they have to deal with the mental trauma that results from the horrible conditions that they live in.
The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?

I think that's an oversimplification. People become homeless for many reasons, but a good number of them have pre-existing mental illnesses and addictions that helped get them there - not that this makes them any less of a person or means that their suffering is justified.

This is a fair point, but I would argue that many homeless people also become addicts as a result of their conditions.

I know several addicts at my school, and they are not at all homeless.

Addictions, I would argue, are what leads homelessness, or happens more often before, not the other way around.
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6/1/2012 8:37:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:36:43 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:35:55 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:32:01 AM, drafterman wrote:
I'm not sure that any job requiring two forms of ID is the kind of job a homeless person would be qualified for anyway.

When I had my first job at Boston Market, I don't remember providing rigorous identification.

Not true, I'm working for the summer at TJ Maxx and for orientation they require two forms of ID just for an entry level, minimum wage position. The homeless should still have at least 1 form of ID on them, it's very basic and makes it really difficult for employers if they can't confirm your identity.

The problem with this is that many homeless individuals have their IDs stolen/taken away by the police.

Um, since when?
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6/1/2012 8:45:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:35:41 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:32:01 AM, drafterman wrote:
I'm not sure that any job requiring two forms of ID is the kind of job a homeless person would be qualified for anyway.

When I had my first job at Boston Market, I don't remember providing rigorous identification.

When did you start this job?

1997, lol. Before some people here were even born. I rode my Chevrolet Velociraptor to work, too.

Perhaps standards have changed since then. I am fairly certain that the homeless are qualified to have hotel jobs.
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6/1/2012 8:46:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:35:55 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:32:01 AM, drafterman wrote:
I'm not sure that any job requiring two forms of ID is the kind of job a homeless person would be qualified for anyway.

When I had my first job at Boston Market, I don't remember providing rigorous identification.

Not true,

Which part isn't true?

That I'm not sure that any job requiring two forms of ID is the kind of job a homeless person would be qualified for anyway?

Or the part that I don't remember providing irgorous identification to get a job at Boston Market?

I'd be interested in how you can contradict me on what I'm sure about and what I remember.

I'm working for the summer at TJ Maxx and for orientation they require two forms of ID just for an entry level, minimum wage position. The homeless should still have at least 1 form of ID on them, it's very basic and makes it really difficult for employers if they can't confirm your identity.
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6/1/2012 8:46:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:45:02 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:35:41 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:32:01 AM, drafterman wrote:
I'm not sure that any job requiring two forms of ID is the kind of job a homeless person would be qualified for anyway.

When I had my first job at Boston Market, I don't remember providing rigorous identification.

When did you start this job?

1997, lol. Before some people here were even born. I rode my Chevrolet Velociraptor to work, too.


Was it before March 5th?
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6/1/2012 8:49:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:46:39 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:45:02 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:35:41 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:32:01 AM, drafterman wrote:
I'm not sure that any job requiring two forms of ID is the kind of job a homeless person would be qualified for anyway.

When I had my first job at Boston Market, I don't remember providing rigorous identification.

When did you start this job?

1997, lol. Before some people here were even born. I rode my Chevrolet Velociraptor to work, too.


Was it before March 5th?

Probably. It was definitely before May.
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6/1/2012 8:50:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:49:18 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:46:39 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:45:02 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:35:41 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:32:01 AM, drafterman wrote:
I'm not sure that any job requiring two forms of ID is the kind of job a homeless person would be qualified for anyway.

When I had my first job at Boston Market, I don't remember providing rigorous identification.

When did you start this job?

1997, lol. Before some people here were even born. I rode my Chevrolet Velociraptor to work, too.


Was it before March 5th?

Probably. It was definitely before May.

Yeah, I wasn't born yet. Lol.
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6/1/2012 8:51:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:36:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:34:59 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:28:08 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:22:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the wokrplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The reason that they have the addictions in the first place is that they have to deal with the mental trauma that results from the horrible conditions that they live in.
The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?

I think that's an oversimplification. People become homeless for many reasons, but a good number of them have pre-existing mental illnesses and addictions that helped get them there - not that this makes them any less of a person or means that their suffering is justified.

This is a fair point, but I would argue that many homeless people also become addicts as a result of their conditions.

I know several addicts at my school, and they are not at all homeless.

Addictions, I would argue, are what leads homelessness, or happens more often before, not the other way around.

Some people become homeless because they have fights with their parents/are destroyed by financial circumstances. I had a friend who ran away because of this. He used to help me with anti-drug campaigning at school (his father was an addict, so he hated drugs), and he has recently turned to crack as a means of protecting his sanity.
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6/1/2012 8:51:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:51:01 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:36:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:34:59 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:28:08 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:22:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the wokrplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The reason that they have the addictions in the first place is that they have to deal with the mental trauma that results from the horrible conditions that they live in.
The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?

I think that's an oversimplification. People become homeless for many reasons, but a good number of them have pre-existing mental illnesses and addictions that helped get them there - not that this makes them any less of a person or means that their suffering is justified.

This is a fair point, but I would argue that many homeless people also become addicts as a result of their conditions.

I know several addicts at my school, and they are not at all homeless.

Addictions, I would argue, are what leads homelessness, or happens more often before, not the other way around.

Some people become homeless because they have fights with their parents/are destroyed by financial circumstances. I had a friend who ran away because of this. He used to help me with anti-drug campaigning at school (his father was an addict, so he hated drugs), and he has recently turned to crack as a means of protecting his sanity.

There are by far better ways. I get he reasons, but if you can, I would suggest telling him to turn to something else.
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6/1/2012 9:00:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:37:11 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:36:43 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:35:55 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:32:01 AM, drafterman wrote:
I'm not sure that any job requiring two forms of ID is the kind of job a homeless person would be qualified for anyway.

When I had my first job at Boston Market, I don't remember providing rigorous identification.

Not true, I'm working for the summer at TJ Maxx and for orientation they require two forms of ID just for an entry level, minimum wage position. The homeless should still have at least 1 form of ID on them, it's very basic and makes it really difficult for employers if they can't confirm your identity.

The problem with this is that many homeless individuals have their IDs stolen/taken away by the police.

Um, since when?

It's very common in Nashville. I would suggest that you do some research.
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6/1/2012 9:01:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:51:56 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:51:01 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:36:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:34:59 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:28:08 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:22:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the wokrplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The reason that they have the addictions in the first place is that they have to deal with the mental trauma that results from the horrible conditions that they live in.
The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?

I think that's an oversimplification. People become homeless for many reasons, but a good number of them have pre-existing mental illnesses and addictions that helped get them there - not that this makes them any less of a person or means that their suffering is justified.

This is a fair point, but I would argue that many homeless people also become addicts as a result of their conditions.

I know several addicts at my school, and they are not at all homeless.

Addictions, I would argue, are what leads homelessness, or happens more often before, not the other way around.

Some people become homeless because they have fights with their parents/are destroyed by financial circumstances. I had a friend who ran away because of this. He used to help me with anti-drug campaigning at school (his father was an addict, so he hated drugs), and he has recently turned to crack as a means of protecting his sanity.

There are by far better ways. I get he reasons, but if you can, I would suggest telling him to turn to something else.

I have not been in contact with him since he was expelled from the school :(
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6/1/2012 9:55:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:34:59 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:28:08 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:22:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the workplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The reason that they have the addictions in the first place is that they have to deal with the mental trauma that results from the horrible conditions that they live in.
The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?

I think that's an oversimplification. People become homeless for many reasons, but a good number of them have pre-existing mental illnesses and addictions that helped get them there - not that this makes them any less of a person or means that their suffering is justified.

This is a fair point, but I would argue that many homeless people also become addicts as a result of their conditions.

That is so not true. Addiction may result in homelessness but homelessness doesn't result in addiction.
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6/1/2012 10:01:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 7:14:15 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I recently discovered that most employers are required by law to have two forms of state-issued identification per employee. I understand that the rationale was to limit the opportunities for illegal immigrants and thereby disincentivize immigration, but this process does nothing but harm the homeless because the illegal immigrants are usually able to obtain employment illegally. Contrary to popular opinion, most homeless individuals are not dilatory bums; most find it difficult to obtain legal employment because they do not have the necessary identification, and even if they do, very few people are willing to hire homeless individuals due to stigma.

Thoughts on how we can improve the situation? My guess is that we should provide some sort of stable housing. I do realize that programs exist for this, but they obviously do not help very many people.

They are not homeless because they don't have 2 forms of identification, they don't have 2 forms of identification because they are homeless. When one is homeless they can't prove residency, thus the 2nd form of identification is hard to come by.

The identification requirement is no more an issue than the contact info. The homeless have no phones, and no mailing address, thus they can't be contacted for a job; this is in my opinion a bigger hindrance than identification.

Many homeless people do have forms of identification, such as an old ID, dog tags, and so on.

If you really find this an issue, maybe we could have homeless shelters set up an ID program for people who check in, like a school ID for homeless people.
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6/1/2012 10:09:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 10:01:49 AM, DanT wrote:
At 6/1/2012 7:14:15 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I recently discovered that most employers are required by law to have two forms of state-issued identification per employee. I understand that the rationale was to limit the opportunities for illegal immigrants and thereby disincentivize immigration, but this process does nothing but harm the homeless because the illegal immigrants are usually able to obtain employment illegally. Contrary to popular opinion, most homeless individuals are not dilatory bums; most find it difficult to obtain legal employment because they do not have the necessary identification, and even if they do, very few people are willing to hire homeless individuals due to stigma.

Thoughts on how we can improve the situation? My guess is that we should provide some sort of stable housing. I do realize that programs exist for this, but they obviously do not help very many people.


They are not homeless because they don't have 2 forms of identification, they don't have 2 forms of identification because they are homeless. When one is homeless they can't prove residency, thus the 2nd form of identification is hard to come by.

I know. My point was that they cannot lift themselves out because they can't get a job. I never said that that they are homeless because they don't have two forms of identification.
The identification requirement is no more an issue than the contact info. The homeless have no phones, and no mailing address, thus they can't be contacted for a job; this is in my opinion a bigger hindrance than identification.

Many homeless people do have forms of identification, such as an old ID, dog tags, and so on.

If you really find this an issue, maybe we could have homeless shelters set up an ID program for people who check in, like a school ID for homeless people.

That's a fantastic idea, but I see people rejecting it because it would help illegal immigrants :/
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6/1/2012 10:10:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:51:01 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:36:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:34:59 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:28:08 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:22:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the wokrplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The reason that they have the addictions in the first place is that they have to deal with the mental trauma that results from the horrible conditions that they live in.
The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?

I think that's an oversimplification. People become homeless for many reasons, but a good number of them have pre-existing mental illnesses and addictions that helped get them there - not that this makes them any less of a person or means that their suffering is justified.

This is a fair point, but I would argue that many homeless people also become addicts as a result of their conditions.

I know several addicts at my school, and they are not at all homeless.

Addictions, I would argue, are what leads homelessness, or happens more often before, not the other way around.

Some people become homeless because they have fights with their parents/are destroyed by financial circumstances. I had a friend who ran away because of this. He used to help me with anti-drug campaigning at school (his father was an addict, so he hated drugs), and he has recently turned to crack as a means of protecting his sanity.

Yeah because crack addicts are extremely sane. Anyone else see the irony?
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6/1/2012 10:12:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 10:09:22 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 10:01:49 AM, DanT wrote:
At 6/1/2012 7:14:15 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I recently discovered that most employers are required by law to have two forms of state-issued identification per employee. I understand that the rationale was to limit the opportunities for illegal immigrants and thereby disincentivize immigration, but this process does nothing but harm the homeless because the illegal immigrants are usually able to obtain employment illegally. Contrary to popular opinion, most homeless individuals are not dilatory bums; most find it difficult to obtain legal employment because they do not have the necessary identification, and even if they do, very few people are willing to hire homeless individuals due to stigma.

Thoughts on how we can improve the situation? My guess is that we should provide some sort of stable housing. I do realize that programs exist for this, but they obviously do not help very many people.


They are not homeless because they don't have 2 forms of identification, they don't have 2 forms of identification because they are homeless. When one is homeless they can't prove residency, thus the 2nd form of identification is hard to come by.

I know. My point was that they cannot lift themselves out because they can't get a job. I never said that that they are homeless because they don't have two forms of identification.
The identification requirement is no more an issue than the contact info. The homeless have no phones, and no mailing address, thus they can't be contacted for a job; this is in my opinion a bigger hindrance than identification.

Many homeless people do have forms of identification, such as an old ID, dog tags, and so on.

If you really find this an issue, maybe we could have homeless shelters set up an ID program for people who check in, like a school ID for homeless people.

That's a fantastic idea, but I see people rejecting it because it would help illegal immigrants :/

Two forms of identification; one is the SS# and one is the ID card. If one has a homeless shelter ID they still need to provide a SS#.
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6/1/2012 10:13:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 10:10:14 AM, DanT wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:51:01 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:36:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:34:59 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:28:08 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:22:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the wokrplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The reason that they have the addictions in the first place is that they have to deal with the mental trauma that results from the horrible conditions that they live in.
The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?

I think that's an oversimplification. People become homeless for many reasons, but a good number of them have pre-existing mental illnesses and addictions that helped get them there - not that this makes them any less of a person or means that their suffering is justified.

This is a fair point, but I would argue that many homeless people also become addicts as a result of their conditions.

I know several addicts at my school, and they are not at all homeless.

Addictions, I would argue, are what leads homelessness, or happens more often before, not the other way around.

Some people become homeless because they have fights with their parents/are destroyed by financial circumstances. I had a friend who ran away because of this. He used to help me with anti-drug campaigning at school (his father was an addict, so he hated drugs), and he has recently turned to crack as a means of protecting his sanity.

Yeah because crack addicts are extremely sane. Anyone else see the irony?

From what I have heard, he's sane when he is not using it.
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6/1/2012 10:15:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 10:13:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 10:10:14 AM, DanT wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:51:01 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:36:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:34:59 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:28:08 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:22:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the wokrplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The reason that they have the addictions in the first place is that they have to deal with the mental trauma that results from the horrible conditions that they live in.
The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?

I think that's an oversimplification. People become homeless for many reasons, but a good number of them have pre-existing mental illnesses and addictions that helped get them there - not that this makes them any less of a person or means that their suffering is justified.

This is a fair point, but I would argue that many homeless people also become addicts as a result of their conditions.

I know several addicts at my school, and they are not at all homeless.

Addictions, I would argue, are what leads homelessness, or happens more often before, not the other way around.

Some people become homeless because they have fights with their parents/are destroyed by financial circumstances. I had a friend who ran away because of this. He used to help me with anti-drug campaigning at school (his father was an addict, so he hated drugs), and he has recently turned to crack as a means of protecting his sanity.

Yeah because crack addicts are extremely sane. Anyone else see the irony?

From what I have heard, he's sane when he is not using it.

key word there... Eventually addicts to crack become extremely paranoid, on or off the drug, because their body gets so use to it, that their mind confuses reality with fiction.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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6/1/2012 10:18:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 10:15:42 AM, DanT wrote:
At 6/1/2012 10:13:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 10:10:14 AM, DanT wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:51:01 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:36:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:34:59 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:28:08 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:22:09 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 8:06:25 AM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I don't know, maybe we should ban gay marriage and abortion to improve the morale of this nation and that'll inspire the homeless to get the necessary skills to succeed in the wokrplace/drop their drug and alcohol addictions.

The reason that they have the addictions in the first place is that they have to deal with the mental trauma that results from the horrible conditions that they live in.
The fcuk happened to you? You trolling?

I think that's an oversimplification. People become homeless for many reasons, but a good number of them have pre-existing mental illnesses and addictions that helped get them there - not that this makes them any less of a person or means that their suffering is justified.

This is a fair point, but I would argue that many homeless people also become addicts as a result of their conditions.

I know several addicts at my school, and they are not at all homeless.

Addictions, I would argue, are what leads homelessness, or happens more often before, not the other way around.

Some people become homeless because they have fights with their parents/are destroyed by financial circumstances. I had a friend who ran away because of this. He used to help me with anti-drug campaigning at school (his father was an addict, so he hated drugs), and he has recently turned to crack as a means of protecting his sanity.

Yeah because crack addicts are extremely sane. Anyone else see the irony?

From what I have heard, he's sane when he is not using it.

key word there... Eventually addicts to crack become extremely paranoid, on or off the drug, because their body gets so use to it, that their mind confuses reality with fiction.

I didn't say that he made the right decision. I just said that this was the decision he made for that specific reason.
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6/1/2012 10:39:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Why should illegal immigrants who have broken the law have legal opportunities at employment?

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6/1/2012 10:51:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 10:39:50 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Why should illegal immigrants who have broken the law have legal opportunities at employment?

Dura lex sed lex.

They shouldn't. many use stolen SS# to obtain a job; which means they can get fake IDs (just like high-school students).

They get caught with a fake SS#, or a fake ID, they get deported and come right back over.

If you ask me, illegals should not be deported, they should be executed for espionage. That would stop illegal immigration dead in it's tracks.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle