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6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.

"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.
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6/1/2012 12:35:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

Obama?
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6/1/2012 12:36:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

None other than the greatest leader ever, Adolf Shitler!
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6/1/2012 12:37:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:35:14 PM, LibertyCampbell wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

Obama?

Nope

If you don't google it you won't get it.

Guess again don't use google
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6/1/2012 12:37:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hint: chapter 12
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6/1/2012 12:37:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:36:31 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

None other than the greatest leader ever, Adolf Shitler!

You googled it
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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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6/1/2012 12:38:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Shitler the liberal
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6/1/2012 12:39:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:37:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:36:31 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

None other than the greatest leader ever, Adolf Shitler!

You googled it

I know that's something he probably would say. He also was a Christian!
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6/1/2012 12:40:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:38:17 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Shitler the liberal

In some cases he was liberal, in others he was conservative.

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . We need believing people."
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6/1/2012 12:41:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
He was also a vegetarian! and a painter! and a man! and a German!

How many more people can we discredit today?? This is fun!
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6/1/2012 12:41:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

1. Trade unions are not labor unions. Please use Wikipedia to learn about the difference.

2. Hitler used socialist rhetoric to attract workers to his movement, but his policies were capitalist. I believe I posted evidence earlier.
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6/1/2012 12:42:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:40:09 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:38:17 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Shitler the liberal

In some cases he was liberal, in others he was conservative.


"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . We need believing people."

Riiiiight. Up until the point where he had power, and started mass killing Catholics and Jews (he was supposedly a catholic, though it seems much more likely he just used the title to get to power)
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6/1/2012 12:44:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:43:22 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Hitler practiced a blend of Aryan religion and Catholicism.

Also reportedly occult.
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6/1/2012 12:47:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:41:16 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

1. Trade unions are not labor unions. Please use Wikipedia to learn about the difference.

they're similar. They both increase salaries through restriction supply (unless your a government worker).

2. Hitler used socialist rhetoric to attract workers to his movement, but his policies were capitalist. I believe I posted evidence earlier.

He is hardly the form of capitalist that most self-defined capitalist advocate. Since words have intersubjective meanings, you might think he was a capitalist based on a marxist interpretatin, but I'd say the majority of libertarians and real free marketers would be against his policies.
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6/1/2012 12:56:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:47:25 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:41:16 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

1. Trade unions are not labor unions. Please use Wikipedia to learn about the difference.

they're similar. They both increase salaries through restriction supply (unless your a government worker).

Are you sure? I've always thought that Trade Unions were like Guilds. I guess Guilds do restrict supply though.
2. Hitler used socialist rhetoric to attract workers to his movement, but his policies were capitalist. I believe I posted evidence earlier.

He is hardly the form of capitalist that most self-defined capitalist advocate. Since words have intersubjective meanings, you might think he was a capitalist based on a marxist interpretatin, but I'd say the majority of libertarians and real free marketers would be against his policies.
I mean, he allowed for free market competition based on merit. Granted, he did give social benefits to Aryans, and he did prevent others from competing in the market, but I would still classify his policies as capitalist.
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6/1/2012 1:00:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:41:16 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

1. Trade unions are not labor unions. Please use Wikipedia to learn about the difference.

2. Hitler used socialist rhetoric to attract workers to his movement, but his policies were capitalist. I believe I posted evidence earlier.

What i said.
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6/1/2012 1:00:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

I didn't google it and I knew :P
#UnbanTheMadman

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Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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6/1/2012 1:05:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:56:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:47:25 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:41:16 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

1. Trade unions are not labor unions. Please use Wikipedia to learn about the difference.

they're similar. They both increase salaries through restriction supply (unless your a government worker).

Are you sure? I've always thought that Trade Unions were like Guilds. I guess Guilds do restrict supply though.

No, I acknowledge that there are differences.

I just state that they mechanism in which they work are the same. Wages are determined through supply and demand. The only way you can increase the wages are through either decreasing supply or increasing demand, assuming of course that its supply and demand based. If employers are price makers than it is a different system.

But foremost, the goal of both of both systems are to increase the wages of workers.

2. Hitler used socialist rhetoric to attract workers to his movement, but his policies were capitalist. I believe I posted evidence earlier.

He is hardly the form of capitalist that most self-defined capitalist advocate. Since words have intersubjective meanings, you might think he was a capitalist based on a marxist interpretatin, but I'd say the majority of libertarians and real free marketers would be against his policies.
I mean, he allowed for free market competition based on merit. Granted, he did give social benefits to Aryans, and he did prevent others from competing in the market, but I would still classify his policies as capitalist.

From wikipedia:

"Nazi control of business retained a diminished investment profit-incentive, controlled with economic regulation concording a company's functioning with the Reich's national production requirements. Government financing eventually dominated private investment; in the 1933–34 biennium, the proportion of private securities issued diminished from more than 50 per cent of the total, to approximately 10 per cent in the 1935–38 quadrennium. Heavy profit taxes limited self-financing companies, and the largest companies (usually government contractors) mostly were exempted from paying taxes on profits—in practice. Peter Temin writes that government control allowed "only the shell of private ownership" in the Third Reich economy"
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6/1/2012 1:20:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The problem, for me, with this entire thread is that 16k is saying that "HITLER SAID IT SO THE VALIDITY OF TRADE UNIONS IS NOW NIL!" Which is a classic logical fallacy, although I cannot think of it specifically right now. Promoted by a fascist =/= it being invalid.

Also, I think there is a lot of confusion on what Hitler actually stood for. It was fascism, not communism nor capitalism. Fascism. It's it's own political ideology, not some mutated form of communism or capitalism. You can argue that fascism is closer to communism or to capitalism, but one cannot say that Hitler was capitalistic or communistic, because he was fascist.
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6/1/2012 2:38:50 PM
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Hitler, although he preached Socialism (hence his party's name), he was an extreme right wing fascist and Aryan purist. After the fire at the Reichstag, Hitler blamed Socialists and Communists. Subsequently following, in the Night of Long Knives, Hitler had the SA purge the Socialists, Communists, and all Left wingers and also killed conservatives who were opposed to Nazism. Thus, Hitler was in reality a right wing fascist.
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6/1/2012 2:43:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:05:41 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:56:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:47:25 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:41:16 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

1. Trade unions are not labor unions. Please use Wikipedia to learn about the difference.

they're similar. They both increase salaries through restriction supply (unless your a government worker).

Are you sure? I've always thought that Trade Unions were like Guilds. I guess Guilds do restrict supply though.

No, I acknowledge that there are differences.

I just state that they mechanism in which they work are the same. Wages are determined through supply and demand. The only way you can increase the wages are through either decreasing supply or increasing demand, assuming of course that its supply and demand based. If employers are price makers than it is a different system.

But foremost, the goal of both of both systems are to increase the wages of workers.

2. Hitler used socialist rhetoric to attract workers to his movement, but his policies were capitalist. I believe I posted evidence earlier.

He is hardly the form of capitalist that most self-defined capitalist advocate. Since words have intersubjective meanings, you might think he was a capitalist based on a marxist interpretatin, but I'd say the majority of libertarians and real free marketers would be against his policies.
I mean, he allowed for free market competition based on merit. Granted, he did give social benefits to Aryans, and he did prevent others from competing in the market, but I would still classify his policies as capitalist.

From wikipedia:

"Nazi control of business retained a diminished investment profit-incentive, controlled with economic regulation concording a company's functioning with the Reich's national production requirements. Government financing eventually dominated private investment; in the 1933–34 biennium, the proportion of private securities issued diminished from more than 50 per cent of the total, to approximately 10 per cent in the 1935–38 quadrennium. Heavy profit taxes limited self-financing companies, and the largest companies (usually government contractors) mostly were exempted from paying taxes on profits—in practice. Peter Temin writes that government control allowed "only the shell of private ownership" in the Third Reich economy"

"Nazism promoted an economic system that supported a stratified economy with classes based on merit and talent while rejecting universal egalitarianism, retaining private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class distinction.[15][16] The Nazis' official economic policies were designed to exclusively benefit Aryans while deliberately excluding non-Aryans. In Nazi Germany and its controlled territories during World War II, the Nazis supported völkisch equality that officially ascribed collective racial equality of opportunity, equality before the law, and full legal rights to those able people of German blood or related Aryan blood but deliberately excluded people outside of this definition who were regarded as inferior and rejected the conception of universal equality of individuals." (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org...)
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6/1/2012 2:46:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:38:17 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Shitler the liberal

You have got to be kidding me. Economic right-centrist. Social authoritarian. He is a less radical version of you.
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6/1/2012 2:48:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 2:43:19 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:05:41 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:56:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:47:25 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:41:16 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

1. Trade unions are not labor unions. Please use Wikipedia to learn about the difference.

they're similar. They both increase salaries through restriction supply (unless your a government worker).

Are you sure? I've always thought that Trade Unions were like Guilds. I guess Guilds do restrict supply though.

No, I acknowledge that there are differences.

I just state that they mechanism in which they work are the same. Wages are determined through supply and demand. The only way you can increase the wages are through either decreasing supply or increasing demand, assuming of course that its supply and demand based. If employers are price makers than it is a different system.

But foremost, the goal of both of both systems are to increase the wages of workers.

2. Hitler used socialist rhetoric to attract workers to his movement, but his policies were capitalist. I believe I posted evidence earlier.

He is hardly the form of capitalist that most self-defined capitalist advocate. Since words have intersubjective meanings, you might think he was a capitalist based on a marxist interpretatin, but I'd say the majority of libertarians and real free marketers would be against his policies.
I mean, he allowed for free market competition based on merit. Granted, he did give social benefits to Aryans, and he did prevent others from competing in the market, but I would still classify his policies as capitalist.

From wikipedia:

"Nazi control of business retained a diminished investment profit-incentive, controlled with economic regulation concording a company's functioning with the Reich's national production requirements. Government financing eventually dominated private investment; in the 1933–34 biennium, the proportion of private securities issued diminished from more than 50 per cent of the total, to approximately 10 per cent in the 1935–38 quadrennium. Heavy profit taxes limited self-financing companies, and the largest companies (usually government contractors) mostly were exempted from paying taxes on profits—in practice. Peter Temin writes that government control allowed "only the shell of private ownership" in the Third Reich economy"

"Nazism promoted an economic system that supported a stratified economy with classes based on merit and talent while rejecting universal egalitarianism, retaining private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class distinction.[15][16] The Nazis' official economic policies were designed to exclusively benefit Aryans while deliberately excluding non-Aryans. In Nazi Germany and its controlled territories during World War II, the Nazis supported völkisch equality that officially ascribed collective racial equality of opportunity, equality before the law, and full legal rights to those able people of German blood or related Aryan blood but deliberately excluded people outside of this definition who were regarded as inferior and rejected the conception of universal equality of individuals." (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org...)

" Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric"

I'd also state that "equality of opportunity" isn't really a tenant of capitalism.
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6/1/2012 2:52:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 2:48:16 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/1/2012 2:43:19 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:05:41 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:56:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:47:25 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:41:16 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

1. Trade unions are not labor unions. Please use Wikipedia to learn about the difference.

they're similar. They both increase salaries through restriction supply (unless your a government worker).

Are you sure? I've always thought that Trade Unions were like Guilds. I guess Guilds do restrict supply though.

No, I acknowledge that there are differences.

I just state that they mechanism in which they work are the same. Wages are determined through supply and demand. The only way you can increase the wages are through either decreasing supply or increasing demand, assuming of course that its supply and demand based. If employers are price makers than it is a different system.

But foremost, the goal of both of both systems are to increase the wages of workers.

2. Hitler used socialist rhetoric to attract workers to his movement, but his policies were capitalist. I believe I posted evidence earlier.

He is hardly the form of capitalist that most self-defined capitalist advocate. Since words have intersubjective meanings, you might think he was a capitalist based on a marxist interpretatin, but I'd say the majority of libertarians and real free marketers would be against his policies.
I mean, he allowed for free market competition based on merit. Granted, he did give social benefits to Aryans, and he did prevent others from competing in the market, but I would still classify his policies as capitalist.

From wikipedia:

"Nazi control of business retained a diminished investment profit-incentive, controlled with economic regulation concording a company's functioning with the Reich's national production requirements. Government financing eventually dominated private investment; in the 1933–34 biennium, the proportion of private securities issued diminished from more than 50 per cent of the total, to approximately 10 per cent in the 1935–38 quadrennium. Heavy profit taxes limited self-financing companies, and the largest companies (usually government contractors) mostly were exempted from paying taxes on profits—in practice. Peter Temin writes that government control allowed "only the shell of private ownership" in the Third Reich economy"

"Nazism promoted an economic system that supported a stratified economy with classes based on merit and talent while rejecting universal egalitarianism, retaining private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class distinction.[15][16] The Nazis' official economic policies were designed to exclusively benefit Aryans while deliberately excluding non-Aryans. In Nazi Germany and its controlled territories during World War II, the Nazis supported völkisch equality that officially ascribed collective racial equality of opportunity, equality before the law, and full legal rights to those able people of German blood or related Aryan blood but deliberately excluded people outside of this definition who were regarded as inferior and rejected the conception of universal equality of individuals." (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org...)

" Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric"

Anti-Capitalist does not mean Lefist. Additionally, while that was his INITIAL position (I conceded this earlier), it was not his position later on and it was not what he implemented :)
I'd also state that "equality of opportunity" isn't really a tenant of capitalism.

So capitalism is not meritocratic?
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6/1/2012 2:54:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 2:52:56 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 2:48:16 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/1/2012 2:43:19 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:05:41 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:56:54 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:47:25 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:41:16 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:27:36 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Guess who said this WITHOUT GOOGLING IT.


"As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

For observant readers it talks about being pro labor unions.

Who said it? A Democratic senator?

Guess. Don't google it.

1. Trade unions are not labor unions. Please use Wikipedia to learn about the difference.

they're similar. They both increase salaries through restriction supply (unless your a government worker).

Are you sure? I've always thought that Trade Unions were like Guilds. I guess Guilds do restrict supply though.

No, I acknowledge that there are differences.

I just state that they mechanism in which they work are the same. Wages are determined through supply and demand. The only way you can increase the wages are through either decreasing supply or increasing demand, assuming of course that its supply and demand based. If employers are price makers than it is a different system.

But foremost, the goal of both of both systems are to increase the wages of workers.

2. Hitler used socialist rhetoric to attract workers to his movement, but his policies were capitalist. I believe I posted evidence earlier.

He is hardly the form of capitalist that most self-defined capitalist advocate. Since words have intersubjective meanings, you might think he was a capitalist based on a marxist interpretatin, but I'd say the majority of libertarians and real free marketers would be against his policies.
I mean, he allowed for free market competition based on merit. Granted, he did give social benefits to Aryans, and he did prevent others from competing in the market, but I would still classify his policies as capitalist.

From wikipedia:

"Nazi control of business retained a diminished investment profit-incentive, controlled with economic regulation concording a company's functioning with the Reich's national production requirements. Government financing eventually dominated private investment; in the 1933–34 biennium, the proportion of private securities issued diminished from more than 50 per cent of the total, to approximately 10 per cent in the 1935–38 quadrennium. Heavy profit taxes limited self-financing companies, and the largest companies (usually government contractors) mostly were exempted from paying taxes on profits—in practice. Peter Temin writes that government control allowed "only the shell of private ownership" in the Third Reich economy"

"Nazism promoted an economic system that supported a stratified economy with classes based on merit and talent while rejecting universal egalitarianism, retaining private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class distinction.[15][16] The Nazis' official economic policies were designed to exclusively benefit Aryans while deliberately excluding non-Aryans. In Nazi Germany and its controlled territories during World War II, the Nazis supported völkisch equality that officially ascribed collective racial equality of opportunity, equality before the law, and full legal rights to those able people of German blood or related Aryan blood but deliberately excluded people outside of this definition who were regarded as inferior and rejected the conception of universal equality of individuals." (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org...)

" Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric"

Anti-Capitalist does not mean Lefist. Additionally, while that was his INITIAL position (I conceded this earlier), it was not his position later on and it was not what he implemented :)
I'd also state that "equality of opportunity" isn't really a tenant of capitalism.

So capitalism is not meritocratic?

Not perfectly.
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6/1/2012 2:58:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 2:52:56 PM, royalpaladin wrote:


" Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric"

Anti-Capitalist does not mean Lefist. Additionally, while that was his INITIAL position (I conceded this earlier), it was not his position later on and it was not what he implemented :)

And he did change his positions. Hitler's later implentation was to favor big business workers through government intervention.

I'd also state that "equality of opportunity" isn't really a tenant of capitalism.

So capitalism is not meritocratic?

No, I do not believe it to be so. Although in practice a meritocratic would be difficult to implement. This all of course depends on what is meant by "merit".
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