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Stephen_Hawkins
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6/10/2012 10:27:02 AM
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Many argue that because the ideal situation is where no-one has or needs guns, but criminals have guns, so we now need guns, have a fundamental problem: the idea that the ideal is no-one has guns. The ideal, surely, is the idea that no-one has guns and everyone thinks everyone else has guns. The actual possession of a gun makes so little difference: it's just the thought that the other person has one.
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6/10/2012 10:31:04 AM
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The ideal is a world in which no one uses guns aggressively. You ignore the usage of firearms for recreation. I have fired literally thousands of rounds, but never shot another human.
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6/10/2012 10:37:25 AM
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At 6/10/2012 10:27:02 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Many argue that because the ideal situation is where no-one has or needs guns, but criminals have guns, so we now need guns, have a fundamental problem: the idea that the ideal is no-one has guns. The ideal, surely, is the idea that no-one has guns and everyone thinks everyone else has guns. The actual possession of a gun makes so little difference: it's just the thought that the other person has one.

Which is why concealed gun laws work so well. You don't know who exactly has a gun so you have to assume that everyone might have a gun which makes you act as if people have a gun when they might not actually have one.

That is why those laws work.
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6/10/2012 12:22:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'd like to bring up Switzerland. Gun training of military quality in Switzerland is actually madatory, and the violent crime rate is virtually nonexistant. In fact, not only do many own weapons, out of about 6 million, 600,000 (about a tenth of their population) own automatic weapons, and the military will actually sell surplus weaponry to the public after new models are brought in. This not only shows that guns don't neccesarily lead to violence, but can be used as proof to the theory that guns can be used as a deterrent to crime.
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Stephen_Hawkins
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6/10/2012 1:30:41 PM
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All posts lead to a single thought: as long as everyone thinks everyone owns guns, the crime rate would collapse.
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6/10/2012 2:38:14 PM
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At 6/10/2012 10:37:25 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 6/10/2012 10:27:02 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Many argue that because the ideal situation is where no-one has or needs guns, but criminals have guns, so we now need guns, have a fundamental problem: the idea that the ideal is no-one has guns. The ideal, surely, is the idea that no-one has guns and everyone thinks everyone else has guns. The actual possession of a gun makes so little difference: it's just the thought that the other person has one.

Which is why concealed gun laws work so well. You don't know who exactly has a gun so you have to assume that everyone might have a gun which makes you act as if people have a gun when they might not actually have one.

You don't have to assume anything. So few people ccw that it seems so most people that you'd have a better chance running into batman that finding someone with a gun. It's trivial
That is why those laws work.
It depends really on the genre of crime. In terms to deterrence, it wouldn't do anything due to that the nature of certain crimes have underlining principles. Deterrence wouldn't come into play for crimes done for material benefit (bank robberies, muggings, ect) due to that he criminal always has a metaphysical certitude that they will not get caught. Crimes done in hot-blooded passion can never be deterred due to legal repercussions and chance of fatality are not represented in the mind of an individual being driven on emotional conviction. The same factors apply to why the death penalty does not deter crime.
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