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6/11/2012 4:03:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I tried watching Fox News the other day to see if they could coherently place some blame on Obama's policies/actions, but all they did was the same association fallacy and ad hominem stuff. Can DDO compile a list of failures of the Barack Obama presidency?
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6/11/2012 4:07:11 PM
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He was a commie.
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6/11/2012 4:16:49 PM
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Hes black
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He was a nazi
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6/11/2012 4:49:52 PM
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He is a Muslim.
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6/11/2012 5:11:51 PM
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6/11/2012 5:57:01 PM
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He's gay.
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6/11/2012 7:48:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/11/2012 4:03:50 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I tried watching Fox News the other day to see if they could coherently place some blame on Obama's policies/actions, but all they did was the same association fallacy and ad hominem stuff. Can DDO compile a list of failures of the Barack Obama presidency?

He has extended the patriot act, and made it so US citizens can also be sent to Gitmo. He has authorized the assassination of US citizens, even though the constitution states that US citizens cannot be deemed traitors unless they confess in open court, or else 2 witnesses testify in open court.

He increased minimum wage to $7.25 per hour, in the midst of an economic recession; which most economists would agree is a horrible move during a time of mass lay offs.

He forced through the Healthcare Bill; no republicans voted for it, yet some democrats voted against it. At the time the bill passed, Gallup polls showed that Americans were fiercely against it. The healthcare bill unconstitutionally forces people to purchase health insurance, and forces those who cannot afford it to subscribe to tax payer funded healthcare. After the healthcare bill passed, many of the companies Obama got to endorse the bill finally got a chance to read it, and than those companies stated that the bill would force them to lay off employees to make up the difference in cost. (oops... >.<)

Obama increased government spending, as well as the debt; faster than any other President in History.

Obama has used Keynesian economics to prop up companies artificially, which cannot be sustained; that's why they kept passing more stimulus packages. By the way, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 is the reason the recession did not end in 2008; it lead to a temporary increase in the GDP from $14.25T in Feb 08 to $14.60 in June 08; after the effects wore off it lead to another dip down to $13.99T in December of 08. Obama continued to pump more and more spending into the economy, to hold it up, instead of letting the markets correct themselves.
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6/11/2012 8:45:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
You guys are terrible. (lol jk DDO)

At 6/11/2012 7:48:56 PM, DanT wrote:
He has extended the patriot act, and made it so US citizens can also be sent to Gitmo. He has authorized the assassination of US citizens, even though the constitution states that US citizens cannot be deemed traitors unless they confess in open court, or else 2 witnesses testify in open court.

Obama openly stated his reasoning for the decision, and more importantly saw the objections. I believe that American citizens shouldn't be sent to gitmo. And yes I disagree with the degrading of our civil liberties very much, but it was the conservative Congress that didn't want to close Gitmo.

He increased minimum wage to $7.25 per hour, in the midst of an economic recession; which most economists would agree is a horrible move during a time of mass lay offs.

Bush 43.

He forced through the Healthcare Bill; no republicans voted for it, yet some democrats voted against it. At the time the bill passed, Gallup polls showed that Americans were fiercely against it. The healthcare bill unconstitutionally forces people to purchase health insurance, and forces those who cannot afford it to subscribe to tax payer funded healthcare. After the healthcare bill passed, many of the companies Obama got to endorse the bill finally got a chance to read it, and than those companies stated that the bill would force them to lay off employees to make up the difference in cost. (oops... >.<)

I don't like it either.

Obama increased government spending, as well as the debt; faster than any other President in History.

THAT IS COMPLETE BULL CRAP.

http://www.debate.org...

Obama has used Keynesian economics to prop up companies artificially, which cannot be sustained; that's why they kept passing more stimulus packages. By the way, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 is the reason the recession did not end in 2008; it lead to a temporary increase in the GDP from $14.25T in Feb 08 to $14.60 in June 08; after the effects wore off it lead to another dip down to $13.99T in December of 08. Obama continued to pump more and more spending into the economy, to hold it up, instead of letting the markets correct themselves.

With a much larger stimulus, markets could heal, and become strong enough that when the stimulus gradually faded, a drop in GDP would be brief and not significant. This is what happened at the end of the largest stimulus in history, the US in WW2.
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6/11/2012 9:10:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/11/2012 8:45:48 PM, Contra wrote:
You guys are terrible. (lol jk DDO)

At 6/11/2012 7:48:56 PM, DanT wrote:
He has extended the patriot act, and made it so US citizens can also be sent to Gitmo. He has authorized the assassination of US citizens, even though the constitution states that US citizens cannot be deemed traitors unless they confess in open court, or else 2 witnesses testify in open court.

Obama openly stated his reasoning for the decision, and more importantly saw the objections. I believe that American citizens shouldn't be sent to gitmo. And yes I disagree with the degrading of our civil liberties very much, but it was the conservative Congress that didn't want to close Gitmo.

Obama doesn't need congress approval for closing the bay. He can just sign an executive order.


He increased minimum wage to $7.25 per hour, in the midst of an economic recession; which most economists would agree is a horrible move during a time of mass lay offs.

Bush 43.

Correct.


He forced through the Healthcare Bill; no republicans voted for it, yet some democrats voted against it. At the time the bill passed, Gallup polls showed that Americans were fiercely against it. The healthcare bill unconstitutionally forces people to purchase health insurance, and forces those who cannot afford it to subscribe to tax payer funded healthcare. After the healthcare bill passed, many of the companies Obama got to endorse the bill finally got a chance to read it, and than those companies stated that the bill would force them to lay off employees to make up the difference in cost. (oops... >.<)

I don't like it either.

Obama increased government spending, as well as the debt; faster than any other President in History.

THAT IS COMPLETE BULL CRAP.

http://www.debate.org...
Let's say you spend one year $80,000. The next year $100,000.
Would you say you'd be more fiscally responsible If instead of spending $100,000 a year, that instead decided only to spend $110,000 a year? Then you justify be stating that you increased spending by less?

Obama has used Keynesian economics to prop up companies artificially, which cannot be sustained; that's why they kept passing more stimulus packages. By the way, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 is the reason the recession did not end in 2008; it lead to a temporary increase in the GDP from $14.25T in Feb 08 to $14.60 in June 08; after the effects wore off it lead to another dip down to $13.99T in December of 08. Obama continued to pump more and more spending into the economy, to hold it up, instead of letting the markets correct themselves.

With a much larger stimulus, markets could heal, and become strong enough that when the stimulus gradually faded, a drop in GDP would be brief and not significant. This is what happened at the end of the largest stimulus in history, the US in WW2.

There are many differences between WW2 and the stimulus under Obama's administration. Mainly the US wasn't as in bad fiscal shape as it was in WW2. I've shown data that shows that based on Obama's own administration, the stimulus has done more harm not less.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com...

I actually accept keynesian economics, so there's no need to debate theory with me.
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6/11/2012 9:18:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/11/2012 9:10:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/11/2012 8:45:48 PM, Contra wrote:
You guys are terrible. (lol jk DDO)

At 6/11/2012 7:48:56 PM, DanT wrote:
He has extended the patriot act, and made it so US citizens can also be sent to Gitmo. He has authorized the assassination of US citizens, even though the constitution states that US citizens cannot be deemed traitors unless they confess in open court, or else 2 witnesses testify in open court.

Obama openly stated his reasoning for the decision, and more importantly saw the objections. I believe that American citizens shouldn't be sent to gitmo. And yes I disagree with the degrading of our civil liberties very much, but it was the conservative Congress that didn't want to close Gitmo.

Obama doesn't need congress approval for closing the bay. He can just sign an executive order.

Congress wouldn't release the funds to transfer the prisoners.


He increased minimum wage to $7.25 per hour, in the midst of an economic recession; which most economists would agree is a horrible move during a time of mass lay offs.

Bush 43.

Correct.


He forced through the Healthcare Bill; no republicans voted for it, yet some democrats voted against it. At the time the bill passed, Gallup polls showed that Americans were fiercely against it. The healthcare bill unconstitutionally forces people to purchase health insurance, and forces those who cannot afford it to subscribe to tax payer funded healthcare. After the healthcare bill passed, many of the companies Obama got to endorse the bill finally got a chance to read it, and than those companies stated that the bill would force them to lay off employees to make up the difference in cost. (oops... >.<)

I don't like it either.

Obama increased government spending, as well as the debt; faster than any other President in History.

THAT IS COMPLETE BULL CRAP.

http://www.debate.org...
Let's say you spend one year $80,000. The next year $100,000.
Would you say you'd be more fiscally responsible If instead of spending $100,000 a year, that instead decided only to spend $110,000 a year? Then you justify be stating that you increased spending by less?

No, but the change in spending is less then previous administrations presided over.

Obama has used Keynesian economics to prop up companies artificially, which cannot be sustained; that's why they kept passing more stimulus packages. By the way, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 is the reason the recession did not end in 2008; it lead to a temporary increase in the GDP from $14.25T in Feb 08 to $14.60 in June 08; after the effects wore off it lead to another dip down to $13.99T in December of 08. Obama continued to pump more and more spending into the economy, to hold it up, instead of letting the markets correct themselves.

With a much larger stimulus, markets could heal, and become strong enough that when the stimulus gradually faded, a drop in GDP would be brief and not significant. This is what happened at the end of the largest stimulus in history, the US in WW2.

There are many differences between WW2 and the stimulus under Obama's administration. Mainly the US wasn't as in bad fiscal shape as it was in WW2. I've shown data that shows that based on Obama's own administration, the stimulus has done more harm not less.

The Obama stimulus was mostly tax rebates, and tax cuts. Only about 1/3rd was actual stimulus spending.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com...

I actually accept keynesian economics, so there's no need to debate theory with me.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

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6/11/2012 9:26:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/11/2012 8:45:48 PM, Contra wrote:
You guys are terrible. (lol jk DDO)

At 6/11/2012 7:48:56 PM, DanT wrote:
He has extended the patriot act, and made it so US citizens can also be sent to Gitmo. He has authorized the assassination of US citizens, even though the constitution states that US citizens cannot be deemed traitors unless they confess in open court, or else 2 witnesses testify in open court.

Obama openly stated his reasoning for the decision, and more importantly saw the objections. I believe that American citizens shouldn't be sent to gitmo. And yes I disagree with the degrading of our civil liberties very much, but it was the conservative Congress that didn't want to close Gitmo.

Who has the power to veto the extension? Oh that's right, Barry does!!!...
Who unconstitutionally ordered the assassination of US citizens? Og that's right, Barry did!!!...

Who likes blaming Bush and Republicans for all his faults? Oh that's right, Barry does!!!....


He increased minimum wage to $7.25 per hour, in the midst of an economic recession; which most economists would agree is a horrible move during a time of mass lay offs.

Bush 43.
Obama wanted to increase it even higher, to $9.50, now Democrats are trying to push through a bill to make it $10.
I am already having a hard time finding a job with minimum wage at $7.25, because I have an associates degree in business, but no prior work experience; and that's applying to convenient stores. $7.25 is just too high, and they want to raise it to $9.5 or $10. They are killing my future.


He forced through the Healthcare Bill; no republicans voted for it, yet some democrats voted against it. At the time the bill passed, Gallup polls showed that Americans were fiercely against it. The healthcare bill unconstitutionally forces people to purchase health insurance, and forces those who cannot afford it to subscribe to tax payer funded healthcare. After the healthcare bill passed, many of the companies Obama got to endorse the bill finally got a chance to read it, and than those companies stated that the bill would force them to lay off employees to make up the difference in cost. (oops... >.<)

I don't like it either.

Obama increased government spending, as well as the debt; faster than any other President in History.

THAT IS COMPLETE BULL CRAP.

http://www.debate.org...

Meant to say deficit, not spending. One does not inherit spending, because it's a choice to continue previous expenses. Spending is not an issue, taxes and deficits are an issue; saying someone has increased spending is by it's self meaningless. Saying one increased taxes, or increased deficits is a completely different story, as both have ramifications. Also an increase in spending is not an increase in the size of government; an increase in variation in spending is an increase in the size of government, as is an increase in spending per tax payer.


Obama has used Keynesian economics to prop up companies artificially, which cannot be sustained; that's why they kept passing more stimulus packages. By the way, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 is the reason the recession did not end in 2008; it lead to a temporary increase in the GDP from $14.25T in Feb 08 to $14.60 in June 08; after the effects wore off it lead to another dip down to $13.99T in December of 08. Obama continued to pump more and more spending into the economy, to hold it up, instead of letting the markets correct themselves.

With a much larger stimulus, markets could heal, and become strong enough that when the stimulus gradually faded, a drop in GDP would be brief and not significant. This is what happened at the end of the largest stimulus in history, the US in WW2.

Keynesian economics does not work!!! Historically it has been shown, never to work!!! Stop citing myths.
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6/11/2012 9:26:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/11/2012 9:18:42 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/11/2012 9:10:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/11/2012 8:45:48 PM, Contra wrote:
You guys are terrible. (lol jk DDO)

At 6/11/2012 7:48:56 PM, DanT wrote:
He has extended the patriot act, and made it so US citizens can also be sent to Gitmo. He has authorized the assassination of US citizens, even though the constitution states that US citizens cannot be deemed traitors unless they confess in open court, or else 2 witnesses testify in open court.

Obama openly stated his reasoning for the decision, and more importantly saw the objections. I believe that American citizens shouldn't be sent to gitmo. And yes I disagree with the degrading of our civil liberties very much, but it was the conservative Congress that didn't want to close Gitmo.

Obama doesn't need congress approval for closing the bay. He can just sign an executive order.

Congress wouldn't release the funds to transfer the prisoners.

Any evidence for this? The president is given some discretion on how to spend the money?



He increased minimum wage to $7.25 per hour, in the midst of an economic recession; which most economists would agree is a horrible move during a time of mass lay offs.

Bush 43.

Correct.


He forced through the Healthcare Bill; no republicans voted for it, yet some democrats voted against it. At the time the bill passed, Gallup polls showed that Americans were fiercely against it. The healthcare bill unconstitutionally forces people to purchase health insurance, and forces those who cannot afford it to subscribe to tax payer funded healthcare. After the healthcare bill passed, many of the companies Obama got to endorse the bill finally got a chance to read it, and than those companies stated that the bill would force them to lay off employees to make up the difference in cost. (oops... >.<)

I don't like it either.

Obama increased government spending, as well as the debt; faster than any other President in History.

THAT IS COMPLETE BULL CRAP.

http://www.debate.org...
Let's say you spend one year $80,000. The next year $100,000.
Would you say you'd be more fiscally responsible If instead of spending $100,000 a year, that instead decided only to spend $110,000 a year? Then you justify be stating that you increased spending by less?

No, but the change in spending is less then previous administrations presided over.

That's the point of my analogy above. Obama still increased spending. He just increased it less. To that I said, who cares whether he increased it less than others? It's not fiscally responsible to increase spending less. Instead, the fiscally responsible thing to do is NOT to increase spending or DECREASE spending.

Obama has used Keynesian economics to prop up companies artificially, which cannot be sustained; that's why they kept passing more stimulus packages. By the way, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 is the reason the recession did not end in 2008; it lead to a temporary increase in the GDP from $14.25T in Feb 08 to $14.60 in June 08; after the effects wore off it lead to another dip down to $13.99T in December of 08. Obama continued to pump more and more spending into the economy, to hold it up, instead of letting the markets correct themselves.

With a much larger stimulus, markets could heal, and become strong enough that when the stimulus gradually faded, a drop in GDP would be brief and not significant. This is what happened at the end of the largest stimulus in history, the US in WW2.

There are many differences between WW2 and the stimulus under Obama's administration. Mainly the US wasn't as in bad fiscal shape as it was in WW2. I've shown data that shows that based on Obama's own administration, the stimulus has done more harm not less.

The Obama stimulus was mostly tax rebates, and tax cuts. Only about 1/3rd was actual stimulus spending.

Any source for this? Tax cuts are still considered a Keynesian multiplier:

http://en.wikipedia.org...

But you actually agree that the stimulus package was not done correctly?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com...

I actually accept keynesian economics, so there's no need to debate theory with me.
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6/11/2012 9:37:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Who has the power to veto the extension? Oh that's right, Barry does!!!...

I already said I oppose the Patriot Act also. I agree that the Patriot Act/ NDAA actions are the worst things Obama has done. Under a Republican though, it would probably be expanded more than Obama has done.

Who unconstitutionally ordered the assassination of US citizens? Og that's right, Barry did!!!...

Al Qaeda's second in command. One dude who was committed and successfully killed many citizens worldwide.

Who likes blaming Bush and Republicans for all his faults? Oh that's right, Barry does!!!....

For the record I have never heard Obama blame Bush.

Obama wanted to increase it even higher, to $9.50, now Democrats are trying to push through a bill to make it $10.
I am already having a hard time finding a job with minimum wage at $7.25, because I have an associates degree in business, but no prior work experience; and that's applying to convenient stores. $7.25 is just too high, and they want to raise it to $9.5 or $10. They are killing my future.

If there was a minimum NIT like Friedman proposed, I would support getting rid of the minimum wage.

Meant to say deficit, not spending. One does not inherit spending, because it's a choice to continue previous expenses. Spending is not an issue, taxes and deficits are an issue; saying someone has increased spending is by it's self meaningless. Saying one increased taxes, or increased deficits is a completely different story, as both have ramifications. Also an increase in spending is not an increase in the size of government; an increase in variation in spending is an increase in the size of government, as is an increase in spending per tax payer.

Ok.

Keynesian economics does not work!!! Historically it has been shown, never to work!!! Stop citing myths.

Ha Ha

What do you call WW2? A magic miracle? Seriously? It just proved that the federal government can restore the economy to strength.

Any evidence for this? The president is given some discretion on how to spend the money?

I heard it on NPR a while back I think 2010.

That's the point of my analogy above. Obama still increased spending. He just increased it less. To that I said, who cares whether he increased it less than others? It's not fiscally responsible to increase spending less. Instead, the fiscally responsible thing to do is NOT to increase spending or DECREASE spending.

Ok, but many believe that job creation should be prioritized right now over deficit worries. Regardless of this fact, there should be a long term deficit reduction plan. And Obama has proposed one. His budget plan.

Any source for this? Tax cuts are still considered a Keynesian multiplier:

Eh, it is a less effective way of increasing economic growth.

But you actually agree that the stimulus package was not done correctly?

I disagree with the tax rebates, but I think the green energy and infrastructure spending was a good idea. I favor stimulus spending, but it was probably too small. I will admit that I'm conflicted on the issue currently, about what happens when the stimulus money ends, would the economy recede back into recession causing gov't intervention doing more harm than help?
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6/11/2012 10:20:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/11/2012 9:37:10 PM, Contra wrote:

Any evidence for this? The president is given some discretion on how to spend the money?

I heard it on NPR a while back I think 2010.

I'm not buying it unless sourced otherwise.

That's the point of my analogy above. Obama still increased spending. He just increased it less. To that I said, who cares whether he increased it less than others? It's not fiscally responsible to increase spending less. Instead, the fiscally responsible thing to do is NOT to increase spending or DECREASE spending.

Ok, but many believe that job creation should be prioritized right now over deficit worries. Regardless of this fact, there should be a long term deficit reduction plan. And Obama has proposed one. His budget plan.

His plan does nothing to stabilize the economy after 2012 based on his own projections:
http://blog.american.com...

Any source for this? Tax cuts are still considered a Keynesian multiplier:

Eh, it is a less effective way of increasing economic growth.

Slide 13.
http://blog.american.com...

Under the theoretical models it doesn't matter If taxes are cut or government spends. The net effect is the same whether you cut a trillion dollars in taxes or increase government spending by a trillion.

Tax cuts under Bush and Reagan stimulated us out of a recession.

But you actually agree that the stimulus package was not done correctly?

I disagree with the tax rebates, but I think the green energy and infrastructure spending was a good idea. I favor stimulus spending, but it was probably too small. I will admit that I'm conflicted on the issue currently, about what happens when the stimulus money ends, would the economy recede back into recession causing gov't intervention doing more harm than help?

Well the economy wouldn't go back into a recession because people would be investing and spending again.
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6/12/2012 1:00:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/11/2012 9:37:10 PM, Contra wrote:
Who has the power to veto the extension? Oh that's right, Barry does!!!...

I already said I oppose the Patriot Act also. I agree that the Patriot Act/ NDAA actions are the worst things Obama has done. Under a Republican though, it would probably be expanded more than Obama has done.

Who unconstitutionally ordered the assassination of US citizens? Og that's right, Barry did!!!...

Al Qaeda's second in command. One dude who was committed and successfully killed many citizens worldwide.

A.) He was not Al Qaeda's second in command... That is pure BS....
B.) Constitutionally he cannot be marked for assassination, at least until 2 witnesses testify before a judge or military tribunal, and found guilty.
C.) If an arrest was attempted to be made, rather than assassination, and he refused to surrender, than force can be used. Assassination of US citizens is unconstitutional, period! Don't make excuses for breaking the constitution!

Who likes blaming Bush and Republicans for all his faults? Oh that's right, Barry does!!!....

For the record I have never heard Obama blame Bush.

Where have you been?
Obama wanted to increase it even higher, to $9.50, now Democrats are trying to push through a bill to make it $10.
I am already having a hard time finding a job with minimum wage at $7.25, because I have an associates degree in business, but no prior work experience; and that's applying to convenient stores. $7.25 is just too high, and they want to raise it to $9.5 or $10. They are killing my future.

If there was a minimum NIT like Friedman proposed, I would support getting rid of the minimum wage.

Minimum wage is counter productive; instead of increasing the salary people below minimum wage, it puts them out of work. There is no good reason to have minimum wage laws.
Meant to say deficit, not spending. One does not inherit spending, because it's a choice to continue previous expenses. Spending is not an issue, taxes and deficits are an issue; saying someone has increased spending is by it's self meaningless. Saying one increased taxes, or increased deficits is a completely different story, as both have ramifications. Also an increase in spending is not an increase in the size of government; an increase in variation in spending is an increase in the size of government, as is an increase in spending per tax payer.

Ok.

Keynesian economics does not work!!! Historically it has been shown, never to work!!! Stop citing myths.

Ha Ha

What do you call WW2? A magic miracle? Seriously? It just proved that the federal government can restore the economy to strength.

No you cited a myth about WW2. There was massive bond drives because WWII was crippling our economy. We could not afford the war, and all our resources and businesses were redirected towards the war effort. Ever hear the old slogan, "Save your scrap to kill a Jap"? That's how thin we were stretching it!

The only legitimate argument one could make for WWII helping the US, is that competing countries were more devastated than we were.
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6/12/2012 3:00:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/11/2012 4:03:50 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I tried watching Fox News the other day to see if they could coherently place some blame on Obama's policies/actions, but all they did was the same association fallacy and ad hominem stuff. Can DDO compile a list of failures of the Barack Obama presidency?

Running for POTUS thinking he really couls challenge the beauracrecy of Washington. If it was able to change it would have been by now. Folks need to stop thinking the politicians represent normal working class people on the whole.

The lack of common sense of most voters is why we go back and forth to elect people when the Big Wigs who control shares and sticks turn elections.