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6/19/2012 2:45:06 PM
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6/19/2012 2:52:01 PM
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I'd have something similar to the Supreme Court except with economic professors. If a bill is economically unsound it can be void.
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6/19/2012 2:54:00 PM
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At 6/19/2012 2:52:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I'd have something similar to the Supreme Court except with economic professors. If a bill is economically unsound it can be void.

What economic professors? Marxists? Austrians? Keynesians? Neoclassicists? Who decides who's on the economic Supreme court?
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: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
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: I disagree.
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6/19/2012 3:04:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This something I came up with in another (irrelevant) thread:

"In terms of food, or anything for that matter, I would say that materials are necessity, while everything prepared is commodity.

How about this. Land can no longer be bought and sold, and from childhood, it is fostered in every mind that it is everyone's responsibility to upkeep and maintain the land.

All basic food items and ingredients are provided by the state, paid by taxes and federal funding (say, from international military sales, etc.). This includes meats, spices, produce, grains, flour, etc. Water fortified with a moderate amount all of the water-soluble nutrients and a small amount of water-soluble fiber is also provided.

All basic construction materials are also provided by the state, and are funded in kind.

All basic chemical mixtures for cleaning agents are provided.

All basic materials for generally-used machinery are provided -- this includes computer parts, car parts, bicycle parts, etc. The only basic parts that I would exclude from this is weaponry and military equipment.

Threads, yarn, stitches, basic fiber materials, inks, and dyes are provided, as well as a standard issue set of clothing, of fine quality, in any color arrangement, one male, one female, one unisex.

Paper and well-crafted writing utensils are provided.

All tools that pertain to available equipment are provided.

All education is free, and to the best of our capacities. Standards for teachers are high, and the occupation is among the highest paid.

Healthcare is free, and to the best of our capacities. Standards for those in the medical field are high, and occupations in the field are also among the highest paid -- in fact, as it is now.

In this sort of set-up, "The State" would be a purely economic entity -- almost like a gigantic corporation. In fact, I would dissolve the executive branch, and separate the government into two separate parts: One comprising the senate and the judicial branch, and the other comprising the economic center. The economic center would treat taxes and embargoes as investment, international trade would be its primary engine, and societal provisions would be overhead offset by investment and stock allocation.

I'll give that further development later.

The police force is dissolved, and replaced with local organizations and lower ranks of the military.

All manner of prepared goods become the sole foundation of the economy. In this way, it is entirely possible to live separate of the economy without taking from it.

The economy would remain healthy and flourishing, because simple provision is no longer acceptable. It would need to meet a given standard to be considered a prepared good necessary to be paid for. All occupations are specialized. Education is not compulsory, but primary and secondary education will include fundamental competencies such as hand-to-hand combat, construction, cooking, driving, knitting, clothing production, and practical engineering. All schools.

Post-secondary education would not be free, but would be affordable.

In this sort of set up, for the first time ever, there remains the potential for a limitless upper class, while completely eliminating the lower class."
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6/19/2012 3:07:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/19/2012 2:54:00 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 6/19/2012 2:52:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I'd have something similar to the Supreme Court except with economic professors. If a bill is economically unsound it can be void.

What economic professors? Marxists? Austrians? Keynesians? Neoclassicists? Who decides who's on the economic Supreme court?

Same way that supreme court judges are picked. Any economics professor.
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6/19/2012 3:08:22 PM
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At 6/19/2012 3:04:28 PM, Ren wrote:
All basic chemical mixtures for cleaning agents are provided.

Lol. Free windex for everyone. Never heard that one before.
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6/19/2012 3:08:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/19/2012 3:07:56 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/19/2012 2:54:00 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 6/19/2012 2:52:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I'd have something similar to the Supreme Court except with economic professors. If a bill is economically unsound it can be void.

What economic professors? Marxists? Austrians? Keynesians? Neoclassicists? Who decides who's on the economic Supreme court?

Same way that supreme court judges are picked. Any economics professor.

How does one become an economic professor?
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6/19/2012 3:14:00 PM
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"After the death of the great, mighty, glamorous, humble, and wondrous OberHerr, we shall have a lottery to see who in our fair nation will be appointed Dictator-for-Life.

Also, that whole Hunger Games deal? Yeah, that's also here.

Good luck Biatchs!

Ober out."
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6/19/2012 3:14:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/19/2012 3:08:53 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:07:56 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/19/2012 2:54:00 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 6/19/2012 2:52:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I'd have something similar to the Supreme Court except with economic professors. If a bill is economically unsound it can be void.

What economic professors? Marxists? Austrians? Keynesians? Neoclassicists? Who decides who's on the economic Supreme court?

Same way that supreme court judges are picked. Any economics professor.

How does one become an economic professor?

obtain a doctorate degree in economics from an accredited university.
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6/19/2012 3:14:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/19/2012 3:08:22 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:04:28 PM, Ren wrote:
All basic chemical mixtures for cleaning agents are provided.

Lol. Free windex for everyone. Never heard that one before.

Lol, soooo? Well, we needsta be clean.

No, seriously. Hygiene and sanitation are extremely important to a society. Moreover, it's important to maintain regulation on chemicals and chemical mixtures.
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6/19/2012 3:15:10 PM
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At 6/19/2012 3:14:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
"After the death of the great, mighty, glamorous, humble, and wondrous OberHerr, we shall have a lottery to see who in our fair nation will be appointed Dictator-for-Life.

Also, that whole Hunger Games deal? Yeah, that's also here.

Good luck Biatchs!

Ober out."

Lottocracy ftw.
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6/19/2012 3:16:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/19/2012 3:14:06 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:08:53 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:07:56 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/19/2012 2:54:00 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 6/19/2012 2:52:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I'd have something similar to the Supreme Court except with economic professors. If a bill is economically unsound it can be void.

What economic professors? Marxists? Austrians? Keynesians? Neoclassicists? Who decides who's on the economic Supreme court?

Same way that supreme court judges are picked. Any economics professor.

How does one become an economic professor?

obtain a doctorate degree in economics from an accredited university.

How does a university become accredited?
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6/19/2012 3:17:29 PM
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At 6/19/2012 3:14:15 PM, Ren wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:08:22 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:04:28 PM, Ren wrote:
All basic chemical mixtures for cleaning agents are provided.

Lol. Free windex for everyone. Never heard that one before.

Lol, soooo? Well, we needsta be clean.

No, seriously. Hygiene and sanitation are extremely important to a society. Moreover, it's important to maintain regulation on chemicals and chemical mixtures.

Seems clean water is much more relevant for sanitation.
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6/19/2012 3:18:48 PM
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At 6/19/2012 3:04:28 PM, Ren wrote:
This something I came up with in another (irrelevant) thread:

You stole my answer.
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6/19/2012 3:20:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/19/2012 3:17:29 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:14:15 PM, Ren wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:08:22 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:04:28 PM, Ren wrote:
All basic chemical mixtures for cleaning agents are provided.

Lol. Free windex for everyone. Never heard that one before.

Lol, soooo? Well, we needsta be clean.

No, seriously. Hygiene and sanitation are extremely important to a society. Moreover, it's important to maintain regulation on chemicals and chemical mixtures.

Seems clean water is much more relevant for sanitation.

???

Clean water is only one aspect... and I did mention clean water.

But, lol, clean water is not the whole of sanitation, wtf.
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6/19/2012 3:21:56 PM
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Ok, I'm going to go for one that can be taken seriously. Though, I have real idea of a government I would prefer.

I would like to see a government where a regularly reelected lottocrat holds supreme power with one one constitutional restriction and responsibly. The restriction is that the government may not kill, maim or torture any person. The responsibility is the marijuana must be freely produced for all.
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6/19/2012 3:24:14 PM
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At 6/19/2012 3:21:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Ok, I'm going to go for one that can be taken seriously.
Why u no like commies?

Though, I have real idea of a government I would prefer.

I would like to see a government where a regularly reelected theocrat holds supreme power with one one constitutional restriction and responsibly. The restriction is that the government may not kill, maim or torture any person. The responsibility is the Orange Juice must be freely produced for all.
#UnbanTheMadman

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6/19/2012 3:24:25 PM
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At 6/19/2012 3:20:15 PM, Ren wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:17:29 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:14:15 PM, Ren wrote:
All basic chemical mixtures for cleaning agents are provided.

Lol. Free windex for everyone. Never heard that one before.

Lol, soooo? Well, we needsta be clean.

No, seriously. Hygiene and sanitation are extremely important to a society. Moreover, it's important to maintain regulation on chemicals and chemical mixtures.

Seems clean water is much more relevant for sanitation.

???

Clean water is only one aspect... and I did mention clean water.

But, lol, clean water is not the whole of sanitation, wtf.

idk, I just don't see the utility of cleaning chemicals for everyone. It actually has the potential for over-sanitation, causing an upsurge in powerful viruses.
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6/19/2012 3:25:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/19/2012 3:21:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Ok, I'm going to go for one that can be taken seriously. Though, I have real idea of a government I would prefer.

I would like to see a government where a regularly reelected lottocrat holds supreme power with one one constitutional restriction and responsibly. The restriction is that the government may not kill, maim or torture any person. The responsibility is the marijuana must be freely produced for all.

Wow, seriously, my post can't even be taken seriously?

Lol, because I think that cleaning agents should be considered a material good in a schematic that means to level the playing field in production capacity, removing much of the social aspect of mercantilism that serves as a mitigating factor?

I see how seriously I should take these threads moving forward.
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6/19/2012 3:25:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/19/2012 3:21:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Ok, I'm going to go for one that can be taken seriously. Though, I have real idea of a government I would prefer.

I would like to see a government where a regularly reelected lottocrat holds supreme power with one one constitutional restriction and responsibly. The restriction is that the government may not kill, maim or torture any person. The responsibility is the marijuana must be freely produced for all.

drunk typos
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6/19/2012 3:27:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/19/2012 3:25:27 PM, Ren wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:21:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Ok, I'm going to go for one that can be taken seriously. Though, I have real idea of a government I would prefer.

I would like to see a government where a regularly reelected lottocrat holds supreme power with one one constitutional restriction and responsibly. The restriction is that the government may not kill, maim or torture any person. The responsibility is the marijuana must be freely produced for all.

Wow, seriously, my post can't even be taken seriously?

No, no, no, I wasn't saying your answer couldn't be taken seriously. I was referring to my own style of posting.
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6/19/2012 3:27:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/19/2012 3:27:09 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:25:27 PM, Ren wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:21:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Ok, I'm going to go for one that can be taken seriously. Though, I have real idea of a government I would prefer.

I would like to see a government where a regularly reelected lottocrat holds supreme power with one one constitutional restriction and responsibly. The restriction is that the government may not kill, maim or torture any person. The responsibility is the marijuana must be freely produced for all.

Wow, seriously, my post can't even be taken seriously?

No, no, no, I wasn't saying your answer couldn't be taken seriously. I was referring to my own style of posting.

What? That dont make sense to my wee lil brain.
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
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6/19/2012 3:28:40 PM
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At 6/19/2012 3:27:53 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
What? That dont make sense to my wee lil brain.

I know you like it.
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6/19/2012 3:29:38 PM
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At 6/19/2012 3:24:25 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:20:15 PM, Ren wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:17:29 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:14:15 PM, Ren wrote:
All basic chemical mixtures for cleaning agents are provided.

Lol. Free windex for everyone. Never heard that one before.

Lol, soooo? Well, we needsta be clean.

No, seriously. Hygiene and sanitation are extremely important to a society. Moreover, it's important to maintain regulation on chemicals and chemical mixtures.

Seems clean water is much more relevant for sanitation.

???

Clean water is only one aspect... and I did mention clean water.

But, lol, clean water is not the whole of sanitation, wtf.

idk, I just don't see the utility of cleaning chemicals for everyone. It actually has the potential for over-sanitation, causing an upsurge in powerful viruses.

A potential for over-sanitation? So, are you saying that the free hand-cleanser dispensers in hospitals present a threat for pandemics? Why isn't the Dept. of Health on top of this?

Okay, though, seriously. In a schematic that focuses on materials rather than investment, it's kind of a requirement that the acquisition of something like basic cleaning chemicals aren't left in the hands of specialized chemists. Moreover, most of the chemicals used in cleaning agents in significant proportions are toxic, and are not fit for household use. :\
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6/19/2012 3:32:26 PM
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To add to that, it's necessary to make the idea practical. Building yourself a house every 20 to 40 years or a car every 10 to 20 years is a far cry from producing enough soap for your family to use every single day.
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6/19/2012 3:33:32 PM
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At 6/19/2012 3:29:38 PM, Ren wrote:
A potential for over-sanitation? So, are you saying that the free hand-cleanser dispensers in hospitals present a threat for pandemics? Why isn't the Dept. of Health on top of this?

Yes, a matter of fact it is. On a personal basis, it sanitizes. In the collective scheme, it highly accelerates the natural selection of viruses.
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6/19/2012 3:42:07 PM
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At 6/19/2012 3:33:32 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:29:38 PM, Ren wrote:
A potential for over-sanitation? So, are you saying that the free hand-cleanser dispensers in hospitals present a threat for pandemics? Why isn't the Dept. of Health on top of this?

Yes, a matter of fact it is. On a personal basis, it sanitizes. In the collective scheme, it highly accelerates the natural selection of viruses.

O.O You really think so?

I think you're equivocating sanitation with immunization.

Immunization is strengthening defenses against a virus. However, a virus can adapt to defenses over time, evolving into a version of itself that can somehow circumvent them.

Sanitation, on the other hand, is the removal or eradication of pathogens. There is nothing that can adapt to death.

This is why we couldn't, for example, sanitize the inside of our bodies. Sanitization requires that you kill all biohazards, usually using something that is hazardous to anything biological. We can, however, sanitize the outside of our bodies, because it has a protective sheath that can withstand minor damage, while preventing harm from some chemicals (like isopropyl alcohol) within a given threshold.

This is why those cleanser dispensers will not cause a pandemic, but why gonorrhea may become incurable, which is actually (I think) a bacterial infection, as a result of repeated immunizations to the disease over time (oh, those nasty humans).

ANyway, the point is that simply killing a virus, or sanitizing an area, is not going to spur some sort of adaptive mechanism in the organism.

This is why I made the distinction between hygiene and sanitation.
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6/19/2012 3:53:54 PM
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At 6/19/2012 3:42:07 PM, Ren wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:33:32 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/19/2012 3:29:38 PM, Ren wrote:
A potential for over-sanitation? So, are you saying that the free hand-cleanser dispensers in hospitals present a threat for pandemics? Why isn't the Dept. of Health on top of this?

Yes, a matter of fact it is. On a personal basis, it sanitizes. In the collective scheme, it highly accelerates the natural selection of viruses.

O.O You really think so?

I think you're equivocating sanitation with immunization.

Immunization is strengthening defenses against a virus. However, a virus can adapt to defenses over time, evolving into a version of itself that can somehow circumvent them.

Sanitation, on the other hand, is the removal or eradication of pathogens. There is nothing that can adapt to death.

This is why we couldn't, for example, sanitize the inside of our bodies. Sanitization requires that you kill all biohazards, usually using something that is hazardous to anything biological. We can, however, sanitize the outside of our bodies, because it has a protective sheath that can withstand minor damage, while preventing harm from some chemicals (like isopropyl alcohol) within a given threshold.

This is why those cleanser dispensers will not cause a pandemic, but why gonorrhea may become incurable, which is actually (I think) a bacterial infection, as a result of repeated immunizations to the disease over time (oh, those nasty humans).

ANyway, the point is that simply killing a virus, or sanitizing an area, is not going to spur some sort of adaptive mechanism in the organism.

This is why I made the distinction between hygiene and sanitation.

Well, this thread is getting off topic fast.

Anyway, sanitizer does not kill all viruses. As the bottle will often tell you, it kills 99.9%. That seems like a lot but there are still many left behind. Still pretty deadly but that's the very reason it's so effective at creating super viruses. Because it's super selective.

And I forgot to mention that this is not the only aspect of over-sanitation. Bacteria are not inherently our enemies. When we sanitize too often, we kill off many harmless organisms that our body needs to build up our immune system when the time comes that we have to face one that isn't so harmless.
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