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Only 2 studies of this nature

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6/25/2012 1:49:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There are only two studies of the correlation of gun ownership and crime. (that I know of) One shows more gubs more crime. But it's data for gun ownership is the magazine guns and ammo, a magazine that has to buy a large portion of its merchandise to please shareholders, and is (out of the large magazines) 5th most accurate predictor of gun ownership. It's highly flawed.

The only other study shows more guns possibly leads to less crime, and more crime leads to more guns. As in high crime people buy guns for defense. So it concludes crime raises gun ownership, not vice versa.

Here is the PDF file for it: http://academics.hamilton.edu...
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6/25/2012 1:51:00 PM
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It also argues there is little data either way.
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6/25/2012 2:02:46 PM
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What did you get in Language Arts?
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6/25/2012 2:04:45 PM
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I don't even think that there is a need to argue for gun rights on utilitarian grounds. You can easily justify it through philosophical liberalism.
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6/25/2012 2:32:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/25/2012 2:04:45 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't even think that there is a need to argue for gun rights on utilitarian grounds. You can easily justify it through philosophical liberalism.

Its best to have more than one philosophical justification up your sleeve for debate purposes.
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6/25/2012 2:35:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/25/2012 2:32:47 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/25/2012 2:04:45 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't even think that there is a need to argue for gun rights on utilitarian grounds. You can easily justify it through philosophical liberalism.

Its best to have more than one philosophical justification up your sleeve for debate purposes.

Yeah, probably, but most people in the United States accept philosophical liberalism. Even conservatives have started to reject Communitarianism and accept it.
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6/25/2012 2:38:02 PM
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At 6/25/2012 2:35:13 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/25/2012 2:32:47 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/25/2012 2:04:45 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't even think that there is a need to argue for gun rights on utilitarian grounds. You can easily justify it through philosophical liberalism.

Its best to have more than one philosophical justification up your sleeve for debate purposes.

Yeah, probably, but most people in the United States accept philosophical liberalism. Even conservatives have started to reject Communitarianism and accept it.

Idk there tends to be a heavy utilitarian tilt as well. At least from what I've seen
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6/25/2012 2:39:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/25/2012 2:38:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 6/25/2012 2:35:13 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/25/2012 2:32:47 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/25/2012 2:04:45 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't even think that there is a need to argue for gun rights on utilitarian grounds. You can easily justify it through philosophical liberalism.

Its best to have more than one philosophical justification up your sleeve for debate purposes.

Yeah, probably, but most people in the United States accept philosophical liberalism. Even conservatives have started to reject Communitarianism and accept it.

Idk there tends to be a heavy utilitarian tilt as well. At least from what I've seen

There is, but I think that most people would argue that rights are side constraints, meaning that they can't be violated even if there is some sort of benefit. That takes out Utilitarianism . . .
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6/25/2012 2:52:37 PM
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At 6/25/2012 2:38:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 6/25/2012 2:35:13 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/25/2012 2:32:47 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/25/2012 2:04:45 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't even think that there is a need to argue for gun rights on utilitarian grounds. You can easily justify it through philosophical liberalism.

Its best to have more than one philosophical justification up your sleeve for debate purposes.

Yeah, probably, but most people in the United States accept philosophical liberalism. Even conservatives have started to reject Communitarianism and accept it.

Idk there tends to be a heavy utilitarian tilt as well. At least from what I've seen

I've seen bluesteel successful argue utilitarian ethics is superior over libertarian ethics.
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6/25/2012 3:02:52 PM
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At 6/25/2012 2:02:46 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
What did you get in Language Arts?

I have poor grammar, why does your snobby a$$ care?
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6/25/2012 3:12:49 PM
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There are many studies aimed at establishing the relationship between guns and crime. John Lott, who co-authored the referenced paper, wrote the book More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws is a comprehensive overview. The third edition was published in 2010. The book has been attacked repeatedly, but in my view Lott's analysis holds up. Lott's background is in statistics, and he has done it right.

Violence rates depend much more on culture than on the availability of guns. Switzerland has strong requirements to serve in the Army reserves, with the result that many households have an automatic weapon. Crime rates are low.
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6/25/2012 3:13:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/25/2012 3:12:49 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
There are many studies aimed at establishing the relationship between guns and crime. John Lott, who co-authored the referenced paper, wrote the book More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws is a comprehensive overview. The third edition was published in 2010. The book has been attacked repeatedly, but in my view Lott's analysis holds up. Lott's background is in statistics, and he has done it right.

I read the book, 50% of it is defending his analysis.


Violence rates depend much more on culture than on the availability of guns. Switzerland has strong requirements to serve in the Army reserves, with the result that many households have an automatic weapon. Crime rates are low.
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross