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Is the tea party "all talk?"

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6/30/2012 12:29:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
As a genuine question (meaning I'm more curious than anything), do you believe that the tea party and many libertarians are "all talk?" I'm 14, and haven't had much of any interest in politics until recently, so I might be completely misinformed, but I've yet to see the Tea Party actually "do" anything other than rally and post on the internet.
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6/30/2012 12:32:19 PM
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Are they even libertarians though?
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6/30/2012 12:32:20 PM
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The Tea Party has taken over local GOPs and boosted several of its favored candidates to victory. They have a significant voice in the Republican party.

Technically yes, they are all talk....but talk is all that politics is
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6/30/2012 12:47:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/30/2012 12:32:19 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Are they even libertarians though?

I was thinking while I was typing this that I should have been more clear: not always, but I grouped them together for the sake of this question because they both seem to do the same thing; that is, not much.
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6/30/2012 12:50:44 PM
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The TEA Party has a very strong grassroots organization that has led multiple TEA Party candidates to victory in local jurisdictions.

Unfortunately, it has been hijacked by people such as Michelle Bachmann and Santorum, which distracts from its message of personal and economic liberty.
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6/30/2012 12:55:10 PM
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The question really is, was the Tea Party all that powerful, or did the Democrats just not show up in 2010? After all, we can look to Alaska 2010. The Tea Party endorsed candidate lost to a write in republican.

Now in 2012, the republicans have Mitt Romney for their Nominee, who is clearly not even close to the Tea Party choice. So how much power to they really have?
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6/30/2012 1:03:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/30/2012 12:55:10 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
The question really is, was the Tea Party all that powerful, or did the Democrats just not show up in 2010? After all, we can look to Alaska 2010. The Tea Party endorsed candidate lost to a write in republican.

Now in 2012, the republicans have Mitt Romney for their Nominee, who is clearly not even close to the Tea Party choice. So how much power to they really have?

The Republican Party itself wasn't able to put a candidate into the White House in 1856, it took them two election cycles to do so. Political movements often take multiple election cycles to fully take root, but once the momentum starts it is hard to stop. If Gary Johnson wins 10-15% of the popular vote in November I guarantee you'll see a viable Libertarian candidate in 2016.
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6/30/2012 1:06:18 PM
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Well, the Tea Party does not engage in violent protests like Occupy Wall Street. They hold peaceful rallies, give candidates money, and support candidates and issues.

The Tea Party began as a response to the Stimulus and is narrowly focused on economic issues ... not on social issues. Hence there is a lot of overlap with Romney and with libertarians despite differences on non-financial issues. There is also obviously a lot of overlap with social conservatives.

Republicans swept the 2010 elections with substantial Tea Party involvement. It remains to be seen what influence they will have this year.
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6/30/2012 1:07:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/30/2012 12:55:10 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
The question really is, was the Tea Party all that powerful, or did the Democrats just not show up in 2010? After all, we can look to Alaska 2010. The Tea Party endorsed candidate lost to a write in republican.

Now in 2012, the republicans have Mitt Romney for their Nominee, who is clearly not even close to the Tea Party choice. So how much power to they really have?

I think someone is a little bitter... :P
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6/30/2012 1:13:59 PM
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but I've yet to see the Tea Party actually "do" anything other than rally and post on the internet.
To extend Latham's comment: Politics consists of nothing but violence, the threat of violence, and persuasion. In a democratic system, only the majority can operate much on the mere threat of violence (i.e. govern), so of course you aren't seeing the Tea Party doing much there-- they don't have the votes. They don't engage in useless violence that won't accomplish the task of governing. Therefore, "talk" is all that's left.
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6/30/2012 1:24:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/30/2012 1:03:21 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
At 6/30/2012 12:55:10 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
The question really is, was the Tea Party all that powerful, or did the Democrats just not show up in 2010? After all, we can look to Alaska 2010. The Tea Party endorsed candidate lost to a write in republican.

Now in 2012, the republicans have Mitt Romney for their Nominee, who is clearly not even close to the Tea Party choice. So how much power to they really have?

The Republican Party itself wasn't able to put a candidate into the White House in 1856, it took them two election cycles to do so. Political movements often take multiple election cycles to fully take root, but once the momentum starts it is hard to stop. If Gary Johnson wins 10-15% of the popular vote in November I guarantee you'll see a viable Libertarian candidate in 2016.

But that was continual growth though. The Tea Party did a lot more in 2010 than in 2012, indicating that they are not growing, but receding.
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6/30/2012 1:25:21 PM
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At 6/30/2012 1:24:57 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 6/30/2012 1:03:21 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
At 6/30/2012 12:55:10 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
The question really is, was the Tea Party all that powerful, or did the Democrats just not show up in 2010? After all, we can look to Alaska 2010. The Tea Party endorsed candidate lost to a write in republican.

Now in 2012, the republicans have Mitt Romney for their Nominee, who is clearly not even close to the Tea Party choice. So how much power to they really have?

The Republican Party itself wasn't able to put a candidate into the White House in 1856, it took them two election cycles to do so. Political movements often take multiple election cycles to fully take root, but once the momentum starts it is hard to stop. If Gary Johnson wins 10-15% of the popular vote in November I guarantee you'll see a viable Libertarian candidate in 2016.

But that was continual growth though. The Tea Party did a lot more in 2010 than in 2012, indicating that they are not growing, but receding.

And we'll likely see even less of them in 2014 and 2016.
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6/30/2012 4:22:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/30/2012 1:03:21 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
At 6/30/2012 12:55:10 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
The question really is, was the Tea Party all that powerful, or did the Democrats just not show up in 2010? After all, we can look to Alaska 2010. The Tea Party endorsed candidate lost to a write in republican.

Now in 2012, the republicans have Mitt Romney for their Nominee, who is clearly not even close to the Tea Party choice. So how much power to they really have?

The Republican Party itself wasn't able to put a candidate into the White House in 1856, it took them two election cycles to do so. Political movements often take multiple election cycles to fully take root, but once the momentum starts it is hard to stop. If Gary Johnson wins 10-15% of the popular vote in November I guarantee you'll see a viable Libertarian candidate in 2016.

Then democrats would win every time.

He should drop out, go republican 2016 and start where Paul left off. Then democrats don't have an easy win. Like Clinton.
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6/30/2012 4:45:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/30/2012 1:06:18 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Well, the Tea Party does not engage in violent protests like Occupy Wall Street. They hold peaceful rallies, give candidates money, and support candidates and issues.

Great way to word it.

The Tea Party has many corporate heads operating the whole movement. The tea party, which has many social conservatives in it as well, have made it less important than economic issues. And by framing the public debate with terms like "fiscal responsibility" and "cut the spending!" and "small government" it makes the GOP have more power.

Progressives really need to catch up and reframe the debate for our side, and instead attacking the symptoms of the recession like the higher deficits, attack the real cause of the recession — demand. Framing using words like "smart investments" "broad prosperity" and "Medicare for All" make the Progressives have the advantage, because in the end, cutting spending right now will hurt the economy, social conservative dreams of ending abortion are pure B.S. and won't be accomplished (I know of plenty examples), and small gov't is libertarian. Conservatism wants new gov't programs, that benefit corporations and expand the military even more, Progressives want programs that invest in people instead and ensures equal opportunity.

If people really want small gov't, they should vote for Gary Johnson. But, Laissez Faire economics really takes a toll on real Americans. Especially farmers, manufacturers, and everyday workers.

The Tea Party began as a response to the Stimulus and is narrowly focused on economic issues ... not on social issues. Hence there is a lot of overlap with Romney and with libertarians despite differences on non-financial issues. There is also obviously a lot of overlap with social conservatives.

Republicans swept the 2010 elections with substantial Tea Party involvement. It remains to be seen what influence they will have this year.
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6/30/2012 5:10:02 PM
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Conservatives: Tea Party rocks, Occupy sucks!
Liberals: Occupy rocks, Tea Party sucks!

Reality: Both movements had legitimate POV's. Occupy sided against corporate influence on policy, the Tea Party sided against overarching debt and government reach. Both had crazies too though. Whether violent or racist or whatever, the other side keeps trying to characterize the other movement by the fringe members and not by the general message.

Truth is though, they were both fine at conception but were co-opted by big business, rent seekers, and opportunists.
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6/30/2012 5:21:48 PM
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At 6/30/2012 5:10:02 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Conservatives: Tea Party rocks, Occupy sucks!
Liberals: Occupy rocks, Tea Party sucks!

Reality: Both movements had legitimate POV's. Occupy sided against corporate influence on policy, the Tea Party sided against overarching debt and government reach. Both had crazies too though. Whether violent or racist or whatever, the other side keeps trying to characterize the other movement by the fringe members and not by the general message.

Truth is though, they were both fine at conception but were co-opted by big business, rent seekers, and opportunists.

All of this is true, but I don't think the Occupy Movement was co opted by big business.
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6/30/2012 5:30:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/30/2012 5:21:48 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/30/2012 5:10:02 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Conservatives: Tea Party rocks, Occupy sucks!
Liberals: Occupy rocks, Tea Party sucks!

Reality: Both movements had legitimate POV's. Occupy sided against corporate influence on policy, the Tea Party sided against overarching debt and government reach. Both had crazies too though. Whether violent or racist or whatever, the other side keeps trying to characterize the other movement by the fringe members and not by the general message.

Truth is though, they were both fine at conception but were co-opted by big business, rent seekers, and opportunists.

All of this is true, but I don't think the Occupy Movement was co opted by big business.

No, it was by the "rent seekers" (homeless and drug addicts).
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6/30/2012 5:37:33 PM
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At 6/30/2012 5:21:48 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/30/2012 5:10:02 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Conservatives: Tea Party rocks, Occupy sucks!
Liberals: Occupy rocks, Tea Party sucks!

Reality: Both movements had legitimate POV's. Occupy sided against corporate influence on policy, the Tea Party sided against overarching debt and government reach. Both had crazies too though. Whether violent or racist or whatever, the other side keeps trying to characterize the other movement by the fringe members and not by the general message.

Truth is though, they were both fine at conception but were co-opted by big business, rent seekers, and opportunists.

All of this is true, but I don't think the Occupy Movement was co opted by big business.

True. There were enough true anti-government socialist types to weed out the progressives ;)
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