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7/8/2012 5:45:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
America was and still could be once again the greatest nation on earth. It was a country that once deliberately tried to better itself throug an ongoing process. It was founded on Christian ethical beliefs. There was difficulties that had to be overcome, persecution of coloured people and immigrants. There was persecution of peole of different religious beliefs. However America overcame these things and realised all people were equal, and all people were entitled to basic fundamental rights.

The Amerca of today is losing it's battle in right and wrong. It has become a bully in global politics. It has become the very thing it's founding fathers opposed. It has left it's ethical values behind. It has beome a corporate giant that looks after it's rich and has trodden on it's poor. It no longer seeks to serve it's people, but instead seeks to control them.

I am not from America, though my mother is and my brothers were born there. I do not live there though I did for a while. I was born and live in Ireland, I always reespected America as a child, it was like some far of place to me where anything was possible. I dreamed of it in all it's grandeur.

I am an American citizen, but now I feel it has let it's people down, if you criticise the government then they tell you, you are not being patriotic. The time you are being most patriotic is when you speak out, in what is right for your country even if it goes against the establishment.
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7/8/2012 12:06:41 PM
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The U.S. is pretty much the most terrifying study in minarchism.
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7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM
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America was founded on terrorism.
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7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM
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At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.
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7/8/2012 12:38:44 PM
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At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Pretty much bro.
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7/8/2012 12:41:47 PM
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At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Right, because beating, hanging, tar and feathering, stoning customs officers, and occasionally burning down buildings doesn't count as terrorism.
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7/8/2012 12:44:35 PM
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At 7/8/2012 12:41:47 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Right, because beating, hanging, tar and feathering, stoning customs officers, and occasionally burning down buildings doesn't count as terrorism.

Terrorism is kind of like political violence against civilians dude. But even if we grant your flawed definition, the thesis was that America was founded on terrorism, not that dumb sh1t like that never occurred.
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7/8/2012 1:07:46 PM
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At 7/8/2012 12:44:35 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:41:47 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Right, because beating, hanging, tar and feathering, stoning customs officers, and occasionally burning down buildings doesn't count as terrorism.

Terrorism is kind of like political violence against civilians dude. But even if we grant your flawed definition, the thesis was that America was founded on terrorism, not that dumb sh1t like that never occurred.
Let me rephrase that- America was founded BY terrorists.
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7/8/2012 1:12:10 PM
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At 7/8/2012 12:38:44 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Pretty much bro.

How so? Terrorism is a tactic. Rebellion is essentially a political movement.
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7/8/2012 1:16:15 PM
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At 7/8/2012 1:12:10 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:38:44 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Pretty much bro.

How so? Terrorism is a tactic. Rebellion is essentially a political movement.

Exactly, and terrorism is often a tactic used to carry out a rebellion.

Tar-and-feathering. End of discussion.
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7/8/2012 1:18:54 PM
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At 7/8/2012 12:41:47 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Right, because beating, hanging, tar and feathering, stoning customs officers, and occasionally burning down buildings doesn't count as terrorism.

Could the targets of those actions be considered military targets?

I may be wrong, but terrorism implies the targeting on non-combatants, right?
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7/8/2012 1:21:59 PM
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At 7/8/2012 1:16:15 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 1:12:10 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:38:44 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Pretty much bro.

How so? Terrorism is a tactic. Rebellion is essentially a political movement.

Exactly, and terrorism is often a tactic used to carry out a rebellion.

Tar-and-feathering. End of discussion.

I see your point, but who were the targets of said tar-and-feathering? Don't the people have to be non-combatants to be considered terrorism?
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7/8/2012 1:30:20 PM
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At 7/8/2012 1:12:10 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:38:44 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Pretty much bro.

How so? Terrorism is a tactic. Rebellion is essentially a political movement.

I was agreeing with your distinction.
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7/8/2012 1:31:09 PM
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At 7/8/2012 1:21:59 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 1:16:15 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 1:12:10 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:38:44 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Pretty much bro.

How so? Terrorism is a tactic. Rebellion is essentially a political movement.

Exactly, and terrorism is often a tactic used to carry out a rebellion.

Tar-and-feathering. End of discussion.

I see your point, but who were the targets of said tar-and-feathering? Don't the people have to be non-combatants to be considered terrorism?

It spreads Terror.
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7/8/2012 4:52:12 PM
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At 7/8/2012 1:18:54 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:41:47 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Right, because beating, hanging, tar and feathering, stoning customs officers, and occasionally burning down buildings doesn't count as terrorism.

Could the targets of those actions be considered military targets?

I may be wrong, but terrorism implies the targeting on non-combatants, right?

Not necessarily.

We consider suicide bombings of American military bases in Lebanon under Reagan to be acts of terrorism.

It's more about the tactic of coercing an enemy not by physically over-powering them but instead by creating incentives which lead to withdrawal/collapse.

For instance, when American bases in the middle east were bombed, Reagan PULLED OUT, basically making suicide bombing a favorite weapon of world-wide revolutionaries (such as the Tamil Tigers).
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7/8/2012 4:55:08 PM
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At 7/8/2012 4:52:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 7/8/2012 1:18:54 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:

Could the targets of those actions be considered military targets?

I may be wrong, but terrorism implies the targeting on non-combatants, right?

Not necessarily.

We consider suicide bombings of American military bases in Lebanon under Reagan to be acts of terrorism.

It's more about the tactic of coercing an enemy not by physically over-powering them but instead by creating incentives which lead to withdrawal/collapse.

For instance, when American bases in the middle east were bombed, Reagan PULLED OUT, basically making suicide bombing a favorite weapon of world-wide revolutionaries (such as the Tamil Tigers).

That seems a bit too vague though. I mean, basically every government employs non-physical "incentives" to accomplish military aims. I think subjecting non-combatants to violence is probably the best definition honestly.
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7/8/2012 5:45:01 PM
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At 7/8/2012 1:18:54 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:41:47 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Right, because beating, hanging, tar and feathering, stoning customs officers, and occasionally burning down buildings doesn't count as terrorism.

Yes, and they claimed their right to peaceful protest was disallowed. Except there is one problem: none of their protests were peaceful.
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7/8/2012 5:46:23 PM
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I am an American citizen, but now I feel it has let it's people down, if you criticise the :government then they tell you, you are not being patriotic.

Who told you that? Go on the Internet and look how many people criticize the government!
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7/8/2012 5:47:08 PM
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And also when was America founded on Christian principles? Where did you get that from?
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7/8/2012 6:49:51 PM
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At 7/8/2012 1:21:59 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 1:16:15 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 1:12:10 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:38:44 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:36:20 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 12:20:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
America was founded on terrorism.

Rebellion and terrorism are not the same thing.

Pretty much bro.

How so? Terrorism is a tactic. Rebellion is essentially a political movement.

Exactly, and terrorism is often a tactic used to carry out a rebellion.

Tar-and-feathering. End of discussion.

I see your point, but who were the targets of said tar-and-feathering? Don't the people have to be non-combatants to be considered terrorism?

Actually, they were civilian tax collectors. Usually they were just other colonists with day jobs, and their day job just happened to be collecting taxes for the British.
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7/8/2012 6:54:20 PM
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At 7/8/2012 5:46:23 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
I am an American citizen, but now I feel it has let it's people down, if you criticise the :government then they tell you, you are not being patriotic.

Who told you that? Go on the Internet and look how many people criticize the government!

Well, it tends to differ depending on WHY you're criticizing the government. If you say that the government is evil because they're using your hard earned money to help poor people, then people will say you've got a point. If you say that the government is evil because they're using your hard earned money to fight unjustified, useless wars, then people will say you're unpatriotic.
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7/8/2012 7:22:45 PM
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At 7/8/2012 6:54:20 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 5:46:23 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
I am an American citizen, but now I feel it has let it's people down, if you criticise the :government then they tell you, you are not being patriotic.

Who told you that? Go on the Internet and look how many people criticize the government!

Well, it tends to differ depending on WHY you're criticizing the government. If you say that the government is evil because they're using your hard earned money to help poor people, then people will say you've got a point. If you say that the government is evil because they're using your hard earned money to fight unjustified, useless wars, then people will say you're unpatriotic.

Yeah....no. Not that often.

Tends to happen either way, depending on whether or not your watching FOX or MSNBC...
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7/8/2012 7:29:42 PM
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America is the stooge upon which all countries prey but at the same time a scapegoat for anything that happens cause of this predator-prey relationship.
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7/8/2012 7:35:57 PM
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I think we are the greatest country on Earth, and I say that with certainty.

We've only really existed for 200 years, and look at everything we have accomplished. We basically remade the way the world looks at how a government should be in general, we changed warfare completely, several times, we've invented and improved countless inventions, saved the world(from our moral standpoint) at least once, maybe twice, depending on how you look at it.

We have our black spots, and I'm not proud of everything we have done, but I'd say overall, we rock.
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7/8/2012 7:37:56 PM
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At 7/8/2012 7:29:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
America is the stooge upon which all countries prey but at the same time a scapegoat for anything that happens cause of this predator-prey relationship.

What unmitigated crap.

America is an imperial giant that assumes itself the savoir of this planet. It has amassed wealth and vastness from exploiting territory that was not theirs. Power, from devastating "foreign enemies" and ensuring that all major wars end in its favor,...even the wars that it has nothing to do with. I could list many positive things the country does, but to make it some kind of international victim as you've implied is ludicrous.
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7/8/2012 7:43:49 PM
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At 7/8/2012 7:37:56 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/8/2012 7:29:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
America is the stooge upon which all countries prey but at the same time a scapegoat for anything that happens cause of this predator-prey relationship.

What unmitigated crap.

America is an imperial giant that assumes itself the savior of this planet. It has amassed wealth and vastness from exploiting territory that was not theirs.

Care to name any other country that hasn't at one time done this?

And, what do you suggest we do about this? Hand the country back over?

Power, from devastating "foreign enemies" and ensuring that all major wars end in its favor,...even the wars that it has nothing to do with.

I sorta get where your going with the last statement, though if you could add some examples it would be nice....but what they heck are you talking about with the first part?

And, what, we should have just made sure no major wars ended in our favor? Why the heck not? Why should we have not done that??

I could list many positive things the country does, but to make it some kind of international victim as you've implied is ludicrous.

Eh, I would say that a lot of the world likes to pick on us, but for some reason still likes our money..... Only reason we have so much power in the UN for instance is because we give massive amounts of money to them yearly, and our military/economic status.
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7/8/2012 7:51:15 PM
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At 7/8/2012 7:22:45 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 7/8/2012 6:54:20 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 7/8/2012 5:46:23 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
I am an American citizen, but now I feel it has let it's people down, if you criticise the :government then they tell you, you are not being patriotic.

Who told you that? Go on the Internet and look how many people criticize the government!

Well, it tends to differ depending on WHY you're criticizing the government. If you say that the government is evil because they're using your hard earned money to help poor people, then people will say you've got a point. If you say that the government is evil because they're using your hard earned money to fight unjustified, useless wars, then people will say you're unpatriotic.

Yeah....no. Not that often.

Tends to happen either way, depending on whether or not your watching FOX or MSNBC...

Yes, but when MSNBC does it, they don't say unpatriotic. In my experience, unpatriotic is a decidedly right wing phrase, whereas the left wing tends to use other weightless insults. However I admit that the two examples I gave can go both ways.
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7/8/2012 7:57:52 PM
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At 7/8/2012 7:37:56 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/8/2012 7:29:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
America is the stooge upon which all countries prey but at the same time a scapegoat for anything that happens cause of this predator-prey relationship.

What unmitigated crap.

America is an imperial giant that assumes itself the savoir of this planet. It has amassed wealth and vastness from exploiting territory that was not theirs. Power, from devastating "foreign enemies" and ensuring that all major wars end in its favor,...even the wars that it has nothing to do with. I could list many positive things the country does, but to make it some kind of international victim as you've implied is ludicrous.

Looks like someone's coming around.
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7/8/2012 7:59:32 PM
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At 7/8/2012 7:43:49 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 7/8/2012 7:37:56 PM, 000ike wrote:

What unmitigated crap.

America is an imperial giant that assumes itself the savior of this planet. It has amassed wealth and vastness from exploiting territory that was not theirs.

Care to name any other country that hasn't at one time done this?

And, what do you suggest we do about this? Hand the country back over?

Why not? Oh butz we've had itz for so looong? Isn't thatz enough to makes it ourz?
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: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
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