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7/11/2012 11:23:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
http://mobile.washingtonpost.com...

I was on stumbleupon and this came up. For real, this guy sounds like a tool,

"Thomas E. Ricks, the esteemed military writer, thinks so, and in a New York Times op-ed, he gives some of the worst reasons for doing so. Among them is supplying the military with stooped labor for menial jobs "and in general doing lower-skills tasks so professional soldiers don't have to." One of them is "driving generals around."

Any thoughts? I think the guy is crazy to even suggest something like that, let alone simply so the military would have cheap forced janitorial labor. That is just utterly rediculous haha
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7/11/2012 11:27:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
We already have the draft in Michigan, you are forced to sign up for it when you get your Driver's license or when you turn 18. I tried debating with the SoS clerk, but she wouldn't budge.
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7/11/2012 11:28:30 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 11:27:11 AM, Contra wrote:
We already have the draft in Michigan, you are forced to sign up for it when you get your Driver's license or when you turn 18. I tried debating with the SoS clerk, but she wouldn't budge.

Ur talkin about Selective Services? Thats not a draft bro, but it is just in case it is reinstated I believe.
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7/11/2012 11:30:46 AM
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The Draft is such a ridiculous violation of personal freedom that any rational person should oppose it.
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7/11/2012 11:31:22 AM
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At 7/11/2012 11:30:46 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
The Draft is such a ridiculous violation of personal freedom that any rational person should oppose it.

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7/11/2012 11:32:52 AM
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At 7/11/2012 11:28:30 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:27:11 AM, Contra wrote:
We already have the draft in Michigan, you are forced to sign up for it when you get your Driver's license or when you turn 18. I tried debating with the SoS clerk, but she wouldn't budge.

Ur talkin about Selective Services? Thats not a draft bro, but it is just in case it is reinstated I believe.

She called it the draft, I think we must of had a misunderstanding then :D
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7/11/2012 11:37:27 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Thett and I were actually discussing this yesterday. What I find to be most horrifying is that the Pentagon actually outsources entry level desk jobs. That is idiotic.
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7/11/2012 11:37:51 AM
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At 7/11/2012 11:32:52 AM, Contra wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:28:30 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:27:11 AM, Contra wrote:
We already have the draft in Michigan, you are forced to sign up for it when you get your Driver's license or when you turn 18. I tried debating with the SoS clerk, but she wouldn't budge.

Ur talkin about Selective Services? Thats not a draft bro, but it is just in case it is reinstated I believe.

She called it the draft, I think we must of had a misunderstanding then :D

Yeah, it technically is i suppose, cause its just the framework/registration thats in place to be able to quickly start up a draft and conscript people. You dont actually have to worry about it, as there hasnt been, and likely wont be a draft in the future. Unless theres another World War :S
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7/11/2012 11:38:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 11:37:27 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Thett and I were actually discussing this yesterday. What I find to be most horrifying is that the Pentagon actually outsources entry level desk jobs. That is idiotic.

I know right? Those are government jobs, outsourcing them seems rather humurous and stupid.
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7/11/2012 11:40:36 AM
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At 7/11/2012 11:38:45 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:37:27 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Thett and I were actually discussing this yesterday. What I find to be most horrifying is that the Pentagon actually outsources entry level desk jobs. That is idiotic.

I know right? Those are government jobs, outsourcing them seems rather humurous and stupid.

Mitt Romney did this in Massachusetts, just saying.
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7/11/2012 11:41:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 11:32:52 AM, Contra wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:28:30 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:27:11 AM, Contra wrote:
We already have the draft in Michigan, you are forced to sign up for it when you get your Driver's license or when you turn 18. I tried debating with the SoS clerk, but she wouldn't budge.

Ur talkin about Selective Services? Thats not a draft bro, but it is just in case it is reinstated I believe.

She called it the draft, I think we must of had a misunderstanding then :D

Yeah, we have that in Florida too. I had to sign up to register for college.
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7/11/2012 11:41:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 11:40:36 AM, Contra wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:38:45 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:37:27 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Thett and I were actually discussing this yesterday. What I find to be most horrifying is that the Pentagon actually outsources entry level desk jobs. That is idiotic.

I know right? Those are government jobs, outsourcing them seems rather humurous and stupid.

Mitt Romney did this in Massachusetts, just saying.

Mitt Romney.... ugh
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7/11/2012 11:47:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 11:41:00 AM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:32:52 AM, Contra wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:28:30 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:27:11 AM, Contra wrote:
We already have the draft in Michigan, you are forced to sign up for it when you get your Driver's license or when you turn 18. I tried debating with the SoS clerk, but she wouldn't budge.

Ur talkin about Selective Services? Thats not a draft bro, but it is just in case it is reinstated I believe.

She called it the draft, I think we must of had a misunderstanding then :D

Yeah, we have that in Florida too. I had to sign up to register for college.

I remember when I signed up, they told me "Congratulations!!" as if entering myself into SS was something to be proud of...

And about the article, when I read it one of the things he said is that those who opt out should be given no government benefits...you know, the benefits that their tax dollars pay for?
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7/11/2012 12:25:31 PM
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The key to defeating the draft and stopping our policy of interventionism isn't in addressing the government, but addressing the people. Americans, I'm disappointed to say, actually initially support the wars that we enter,...moreover, most people support war time drafts.

In a democracy the government is usually the mouthpiece of the people and a reflection of their own problems.
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7/11/2012 2:10:29 PM
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At 7/11/2012 11:32:52 AM, Contra wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:28:30 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:27:11 AM, Contra wrote:
We already have the draft in Michigan, you are forced to sign up for it when you get your Driver's license or when you turn 18. I tried debating with the SoS clerk, but she wouldn't budge.

Ur talkin about Selective Services? Thats not a draft bro, but it is just in case it is reinstated I believe.

She called it the draft, I think we must of had a misunderstanding then :D

It is the draft. We still have a draft we just don't call it up. Every 18 year old male in the country puts his name in. If the draft is ever called up they pick names. She was putting your name in the draft hat in case it's ever needed.
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7/11/2012 5:23:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 11:23:23 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
http://mobile.washingtonpost.com...

I was on stumbleupon and this came up. For real, this guy sounds like a tool,

"Thomas E. Ricks, the esteemed military writer, thinks so, and in a New York Times op-ed, he gives some of the worst reasons for doing so. Among them is supplying the military with stooped labor for menial jobs "and in general doing lower-skills tasks so professional soldiers don't have to." One of them is "driving generals around."

Any thoughts? I think the guy is crazy to even suggest something like that, let alone simply so the military would have cheap forced janitorial labor. That is just utterly rediculous haha

I 100% favor reinstating a draft.
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7/11/2012 5:40:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 5:23:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:23:23 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
http://mobile.washingtonpost.com...

I was on stumbleupon and this came up. For real, this guy sounds like a tool,

"Thomas E. Ricks, the esteemed military writer, thinks so, and in a New York Times op-ed, he gives some of the worst reasons for doing so. Among them is supplying the military with stooped labor for menial jobs "and in general doing lower-skills tasks so professional soldiers don't have to." One of them is "driving generals around."

Any thoughts? I think the guy is crazy to even suggest something like that, let alone simply so the military would have cheap forced janitorial labor. That is just utterly rediculous haha

I 100% favor reinstating a draft.

What are your reasons? Also, I thought you didn't care about issues?
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7/11/2012 5:47:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 5:40:24 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:23:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:23:23 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
http://mobile.washingtonpost.com...

I was on stumbleupon and this came up. For real, this guy sounds like a tool,

"Thomas E. Ricks, the esteemed military writer, thinks so, and in a New York Times op-ed, he gives some of the worst reasons for doing so. Among them is supplying the military with stooped labor for menial jobs "and in general doing lower-skills tasks so professional soldiers don't have to." One of them is "driving generals around."

Any thoughts? I think the guy is crazy to even suggest something like that, let alone simply so the military would have cheap forced janitorial labor. That is just utterly rediculous haha

I 100% favor reinstating a draft.

What are your reasons? Also, I thought you didn't care about issues?

For me, this isn't an issue. The draft is a means to an end with a host of fringe benefits. We can quibble over the semantic differences if you like, but ultimately there should be a draft. In the broadest terms, military services conditions people to have self discipline, to make avid and prudent use of their lives.
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7/11/2012 6:04:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 5:47:45 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:40:24 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:23:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:23:23 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
http://mobile.washingtonpost.com...

I was on stumbleupon and this came up. For real, this guy sounds like a tool,

"Thomas E. Ricks, the esteemed military writer, thinks so, and in a New York Times op-ed, he gives some of the worst reasons for doing so. Among them is supplying the military with stooped labor for menial jobs "and in general doing lower-skills tasks so professional soldiers don't have to." One of them is "driving generals around."

Any thoughts? I think the guy is crazy to even suggest something like that, let alone simply so the military would have cheap forced janitorial labor. That is just utterly rediculous haha

I 100% favor reinstating a draft.

What are your reasons? Also, I thought you didn't care about issues?

For me, this isn't an issue. The draft is a means to an end with a host of fringe benefits. We can quibble over the semantic differences if you like, but ultimately there should be a draft. In the broadest terms, military services conditions people to have self discipline, to make avid and prudent use of their lives.

Well, we have a draft in Israel at age 18. I guess it does change people for the better.
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7/11/2012 6:06:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 5:47:45 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:40:24 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:23:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:23:23 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
http://mobile.washingtonpost.com...

I was on stumbleupon and this came up. For real, this guy sounds like a tool,

"Thomas E. Ricks, the esteemed military writer, thinks so, and in a New York Times op-ed, he gives some of the worst reasons for doing so. Among them is supplying the military with stooped labor for menial jobs "and in general doing lower-skills tasks so professional soldiers don't have to." One of them is "driving generals around."

Any thoughts? I think the guy is crazy to even suggest something like that, let alone simply so the military would have cheap forced janitorial labor. That is just utterly rediculous haha

I 100% favor reinstating a draft.

What are your reasons? Also, I thought you didn't care about issues?

For me, this isn't an issue. The draft is a means to an end with a host of fringe benefits. We can quibble over the semantic differences if you like, but ultimately there should be a draft. In the broadest terms, military services conditions people to have self discipline, to make avid and prudent use of their lives.
Since when is the United States government in the business of youth character building? Weak argument.
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7/11/2012 6:52:27 PM
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At 7/11/2012 6:04:54 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:47:45 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:40:24 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:23:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:23:23 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
http://mobile.washingtonpost.com...

I was on stumbleupon and this came up. For real, this guy sounds like a tool,

"Thomas E. Ricks, the esteemed military writer, thinks so, and in a New York Times op-ed, he gives some of the worst reasons for doing so. Among them is supplying the military with stooped labor for menial jobs "and in general doing lower-skills tasks so professional soldiers don't have to." One of them is "driving generals around."

Any thoughts? I think the guy is crazy to even suggest something like that, let alone simply so the military would have cheap forced janitorial labor. That is just utterly rediculous haha

I 100% favor reinstating a draft.

What are your reasons? Also, I thought you didn't care about issues?

For me, this isn't an issue. The draft is a means to an end with a host of fringe benefits. We can quibble over the semantic differences if you like, but ultimately there should be a draft. In the broadest terms, military services conditions people to have self discipline, to make avid and prudent use of their lives.

Well, we have a draft in Israel at age 18. I guess it does change people for the better.

I agree.
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7/11/2012 7:04:26 PM
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At 7/11/2012 6:06:43 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:47:45 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:40:24 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:23:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:23:23 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
http://mobile.washingtonpost.com...

I was on stumbleupon and this came up. For real, this guy sounds like a tool,

"Thomas E. Ricks, the esteemed military writer, thinks so, and in a New York Times op-ed, he gives some of the worst reasons for doing so. Among them is supplying the military with stooped labor for menial jobs "and in general doing lower-skills tasks so professional soldiers don't have to." One of them is "driving generals around."

Any thoughts? I think the guy is crazy to even suggest something like that, let alone simply so the military would have cheap forced janitorial labor. That is just utterly rediculous haha

I 100% favor reinstating a draft.

What are your reasons? Also, I thought you didn't care about issues?

For me, this isn't an issue. The draft is a means to an end with a host of fringe benefits. We can quibble over the semantic differences if you like, but ultimately there should be a draft. In the broadest terms, military services conditions people to have self discipline, to make avid and prudent use of their lives.
Since when is the United States government in the business of youth character building? Weak argument.

Why shouldn't it be in that business?
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7/11/2012 7:06:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 7:04:26 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/11/2012 6:06:43 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:47:45 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:40:24 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:23:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:23:23 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
http://mobile.washingtonpost.com...

I was on stumbleupon and this came up. For real, this guy sounds like a tool,

"Thomas E. Ricks, the esteemed military writer, thinks so, and in a New York Times op-ed, he gives some of the worst reasons for doing so. Among them is supplying the military with stooped labor for menial jobs "and in general doing lower-skills tasks so professional soldiers don't have to." One of them is "driving generals around."

Any thoughts? I think the guy is crazy to even suggest something like that, let alone simply so the military would have cheap forced janitorial labor. That is just utterly rediculous haha

I 100% favor reinstating a draft.

What are your reasons? Also, I thought you didn't care about issues?

For me, this isn't an issue. The draft is a means to an end with a host of fringe benefits. We can quibble over the semantic differences if you like, but ultimately there should be a draft. In the broadest terms, military services conditions people to have self discipline, to make avid and prudent use of their lives.
Since when is the United States government in the business of youth character building? Weak argument.

Why shouldn't it be in that business?
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7/11/2012 7:28:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 6:06:43 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:47:45 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:40:24 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:23:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:23:23 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
http://mobile.washingtonpost.com...

I was on stumbleupon and this came up. For real, this guy sounds like a tool,

"Thomas E. Ricks, the esteemed military writer, thinks so, and in a New York Times op-ed, he gives some of the worst reasons for doing so. Among them is supplying the military with stooped labor for menial jobs "and in general doing lower-skills tasks so professional soldiers don't have to." One of them is "driving generals around."

Any thoughts? I think the guy is crazy to even suggest something like that, let alone simply so the military would have cheap forced janitorial labor. That is just utterly rediculous haha

I 100% favor reinstating a draft.

What are your reasons? Also, I thought you didn't care about issues?

For me, this isn't an issue. The draft is a means to an end with a host of fringe benefits. We can quibble over the semantic differences if you like, but ultimately there should be a draft. In the broadest terms, military services conditions people to have self discipline, to make avid and prudent use of their lives.
Since when is the United States government in the business of youth character building? Weak argument.

When I read that, I lol'd. Then I looked at your profile pic, and lol'd again.
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7/11/2012 9:12:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 5:47:45 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:40:24 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 7/11/2012 5:23:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/11/2012 11:23:23 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
http://mobile.washingtonpost.com...

I was on stumbleupon and this came up. For real, this guy sounds like a tool,

"Thomas E. Ricks, the esteemed military writer, thinks so, and in a New York Times op-ed, he gives some of the worst reasons for doing so. Among them is supplying the military with stooped labor for menial jobs "and in general doing lower-skills tasks so professional soldiers don't have to." One of them is "driving generals around."

Any thoughts? I think the guy is crazy to even suggest something like that, let alone simply so the military would have cheap forced janitorial labor. That is just utterly rediculous haha

I 100% favor reinstating a draft.

What are your reasons? Also, I thought you didn't care about issues?

For me, this isn't an issue. The draft is a means to an end with a host of fringe benefits. We can quibble over the semantic differences if you like, but ultimately there should be a draft. In the broadest terms, military services conditions people to have self discipline, to make avid and prudent use of their lives.

1. Prove that people have an obligation to make prudent uses of their lives in the manner that you and the state see fit (as opposed to pursuing their own ends)

2. Demonstrate why we can't cultivate this through alternative means that don't violate liberty.
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7/11/2012 9:43:28 PM
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I'd only be in favor of the draft if it was desperately needed, and what it was desperately needed to fight was a enemy force that might actually attack the homeland.
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7/11/2012 9:50:14 PM
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At 7/11/2012 9:43:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
I'd only be in favor of the draft if it was desperately needed, and what it was desperately needed to fight was a enemy force that might actually attack the homeland.

I agree, if you really love your country and it's in dire need you shouldn't have any qualms about the draft.
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7/11/2012 9:51:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 9:50:14 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/11/2012 9:43:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
I'd only be in favor of the draft if it was desperately needed, and what it was desperately needed to fight was a enemy force that might actually attack the homeland.

I agree, if you really love your country and it's in dire need you shouldn't have any qualms about the draft.

Bull. People are not created to serve society; society is created to serve people, and society cannot coerce people into forgoing their natural rights.
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7/11/2012 9:56:31 PM
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At 7/11/2012 9:51:25 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/11/2012 9:50:14 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/11/2012 9:43:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
I'd only be in favor of the draft if it was desperately needed, and what it was desperately needed to fight was a enemy force that might actually attack the homeland.

I agree, if you really love your country and it's in dire need you shouldn't have any qualms about the draft.

Bull. People are not created to serve society; society is created to serve people, and society cannot coerce people into forgoing their natural rights.

See, the problem is, in the scenario I'm talking about.....well, people would sorta be f***ed if the enemy won....so...yeah, it's the lesser of two evils.
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7/11/2012 9:58:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/11/2012 9:56:31 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 7/11/2012 9:51:25 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/11/2012 9:50:14 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 7/11/2012 9:43:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
I'd only be in favor of the draft if it was desperately needed, and what it was desperately needed to fight was a enemy force that might actually attack the homeland.

I agree, if you really love your country and it's in dire need you shouldn't have any qualms about the draft.

Bull. People are not created to serve society; society is created to serve people, and society cannot coerce people into forgoing their natural rights.

See, the problem is, in the scenario I'm talking about.....well, people would sorta be f***ed if the enemy won....so...yeah, it's the lesser of two evils.

Well, in that case, people would likely choose to go to war, so a draft isn't necessary. Regardless, it's still their choice. If someone is a pacifist and would rather die or he or she doesn't support the particular war, he/she should not have to fight.