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Republican95
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8/30/2009 5:04:59 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
If you were a terrorist, how would you attack?

In order for a terrorist attack to be successful it needs to be the following:

a) It must strike a uncontrollable fear in the general public.
b) The less complex the attack the less likely you are to get caught.
c) The attack must convey an ideological message.

I have pondered this question many times and I have generated the following scenarios:

a) Economic Terror. Manipulation of economies from an outside source. For instance, if terrorists were hack into computer systems and "adjust" several key stock quotes (INDU, S&P, NASDAQ), the amount of panic would be uncontrollable. Imagine its morning in America and on the floor of the NYSE to DOW JONES is about 0.123% up , then with a split of a second its down by 23%. Even though no harm actually occurred to the US Economy, the massive sell-off triggered afterward would. And even after it was found out to be an attack, people would continued to sell stocks because of the new sense of venerability to US markets.

b) Metro Terror. I have personally been a passenger on both the NYC and DC subway systems. Let me tell you, during a busy morning rush-hour, what security official would stop a Middle-Eastern looking man, dressed in a suit, carrying a "briefcase" laden with explosives? After that I'll let you use your imagination.

c) Suburban terror. Outside of urban centers terrorism is mostly not considered a major threat by city governments. What if the site of the next attack wasn't New York, NY, but instead, maybe, Chula Vista, CA? What would happen if bombs went off in movie theaters, shopping malls, schools, and sporting events outside of NYC or DC?

d) Airport terror. In many airports people who have not gone through security are allowed access to ticketing and baggage claim areas. I wonder how many bombs can fit into a typical traveling suitcase.

So, do you have any ideas?

PS: Do not accuse me of being un-American, I am actually helping my country. What if someone reads this who works for the DHS and realizes these holes in the system?
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8/30/2009 5:15:36 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/30/2009 5:04:59 PM, Republican95 wrote:
If you were a terrorist, how would you attack?

In order for a terrorist attack to be successful it needs to be the following:

a) It must strike a uncontrollable fear in the general public.
b) The less complex the attack the less likely you are to get caught.
c) The attack must convey an ideological message.

I have pondered this question many times and I have generated the following scenarios:

a) Economic Terror. Manipulation of economies from an outside source. For instance, if terrorists were hack into computer systems and "adjust" several key stock quotes (INDU, S&P, NASDAQ), the amount of panic would be uncontrollable. Imagine its morning in America and on the floor of the NYSE to DOW JONES is about 0.123% up , then with a split of a second its down by 23%. Even though no harm actually occurred to the US Economy, the massive sell-off triggered afterward would. And even after it was found out to be an attack, people would continued to sell stocks because of the new sense of venerability to US markets.

b) Metro Terror. I have personally been a passenger on both the NYC and DC subway systems. Let me tell you, during a busy morning rush-hour, what security official would stop a Middle-Eastern looking man, dressed in a suit, carrying a "briefcase" laden with explosives? After that I'll let you use your imagination.

c) Suburban terror. Outside of urban centers terrorism is mostly not considered a major threat by city governments. What if the site of the next attack wasn't New York, NY, but instead, maybe, Chula Vista, CA? What would happen if bombs went off in movie theaters, shopping malls, schools, and sporting events outside of NYC or DC?

d) Airport terror. In many airports people who have not gone through security are allowed access to ticketing and baggage claim areas. I wonder how many bombs can fit into a typical traveling suitcase.

So, do you have any ideas?

PS: Do not accuse me of being un-American, I am actually helping my country. What if someone reads this who works for the DHS and realizes these holes in the system?

You may need some psychological help. Why would you even think about this? I do not feel safe right now...
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8/30/2009 5:24:41 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
You may need some psychological help. Why would you even think about this? I do not feel safe right now...

This is sadly the world we live in. These are the things that scare me the most about the future of terror...
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8/30/2009 5:26:15 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/30/2009 5:24:41 PM, Republican95 wrote:
You may need some psychological help. Why would you even think about this? I do not feel safe right now...

This is sadly the world we live in. These are the things that scare me the most about the future of terror...

Are you going to respond to my argument in a little while? (Just wondering)
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8/30/2009 6:18:52 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I'd do exactly what the terrorists are doing right now.

Economic Attrition.

Worked on Rome, worked on the Soviet Union, and it's working on the USA right now.

Video from 2:20. Haven't watched it in a while, but I'm pretty sure it's on this topic.
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"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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8/30/2009 6:24:37 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/30/2009 6:18:52 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
I'd do exactly what the terrorists are doing right now.

Economic Attrition.

Isn't economic attrition exactly what capitalism is all about anyways?

You wear out your competition until they're ground into the dust, therefore giving you a bigger access to the market, thereby driving up your profits, thereby winning the entire battle.

Jesus, the terrorists know capitalism. We're screwed.
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8/30/2009 6:35:37 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/30/2009 6:24:37 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 8/30/2009 6:18:52 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
I'd do exactly what the terrorists are doing right now.

Economic Attrition.

Isn't economic attrition exactly what capitalism is all about anyways?

No.... it's not even a methodology of war. Capitalism is about distribution of resources and services by the law of supply and demand; a free market.

CIA made the Al Qaeda a couple of decades ago and taught them how to screw over the USSR in Afghanistan a couple of decades ago by economic attrition.

Now they're doing it to the USA.

It's that simple.
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Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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8/30/2009 7:37:11 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Transportation hubs are obvious targets. I'd also hit the hospitals. Terrorizing locations generally regarded as safe havens does much to create chaos.
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8/30/2009 8:21:20 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/30/2009 6:35:37 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
No.... it's not even a methodology of war. Capitalism is about distribution of resources and services by the law of supply and demand; a free market.

Capitalism doesn't follow the methods of war? Its odd that Sun Tzu seems to popular among us then.
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8/30/2009 9:24:04 PM
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At 8/30/2009 8:21:20 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 8/30/2009 6:35:37 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
No.... it's not even a methodology of war. Capitalism is about distribution of resources and services by the law of supply and demand; a free market.

Capitalism doesn't follow the methods of war? Its odd that Sun Tzu seems to popular among us then.

I said it isn't, not that it doesn't follow. I have no idea what methods of war are, and I have not read Sun Tzu yet. Capitalism is an economics form, and even if it is a war method or that it follows methods of war, it's not what capitalism
is all about
and I never said that capitalism is what the terrorists today are using. The economics attrition the USA is facing right now is the same attrition the USSR faced, and against the same enemy. USSR was a socialistic system. It still collapsed. USA is a capitalistic (supposedly) system. It's collapsing too.

And that's all I'm going to say; you piss me off too much.
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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8/30/2009 9:55:16 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/30/2009 9:24:04 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
I said it isn't, not that it doesn't follow. I have no idea what methods of war are, and I have not read Sun Tzu yet.

You really need to, very interesting man with very interesting ideas.

Capitalism is an economics form, and even if it is a war method or that it follows methods of war, it's not what capitalism
is all about

What is economics but a way of organizing action and consequence? What is capitalism but a way of exaggerating that organization?

and I never said that capitalism is what the terrorists today are using. The economics attrition the USA is facing right now is the same attrition the USSR faced, and against the same enemy. USSR was a socialistic system. It still collapsed. USA is a capitalistic (supposedly) system. It's collapsing too.

Of course you didn't say that; I did. Also, I never necessarily disagreed with you, and I find myself hard pressed to.

And that's all I'm going to say; you piss me off too much.

Ah well.
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9/2/2009 8:02:39 AM
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The part of any method that makes it a method of war is the part where you start killing people. Until then it's a peace-neutral method.

I've read quite a bit of Sun Tzu though, though I don't remember too much of it, I have no idea which of what he said would be used in a business.
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9/2/2009 10:35:14 AM
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At 9/2/2009 8:02:39 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The part of any method that makes it a method of war is the part where you start killing people. Until then it's a peace-neutral method.

I've read quite a bit of Sun Tzu though, though I don't remember too much of it, I have no idea which of what he said would be used in a business.

He never said himself it could be used in a business, but others use Tzu's ideas and apply them to the commercial world.

If you have the time, I invite you to listen to this archived radio program; it explains how advertising, arguably one of the most important aspects of any commercial enterprise that sells products, applies the Art of War to their business: http://www.cbc.ca...
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9/2/2009 12:17:01 PM
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My rule against learning through video can be applied equally to audio. Text or GTFO :)
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9/2/2009 4:06:50 PM
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What I talk about will of course have abuse, but when have I stated that it is not possible for it to happen? I advocate the measures that can help stop it
The only measures you've advocated are entirely discretionary as far as I can tell, and therefore, as they are at the discretion of the source of the issue, entirely useless.

Then you or others will take measures to give the opposition new voice.
I don't control public schools or any measures which alter them in the slightest. Heck, I control them less than I do private schools, though I've never walked near a private school or spoken to anyone who administers, because I can and do withhold funds from such institutions, which, though it means very little considering my funds, is more power than I have over anything else. Someday I might be in such a situation where I do have further measures, though it's a longshot-- if I do the issue is moot because public schools would no longer exist-- but at the moment I don't.

They are, though, involved in some aspects of the school system, as well as holding influential positions in public that can either get changes directly to the school district's policies, or indirectly put pressure on the schools to change the policy.
Pressure which pales in comparison to the established pressure. Bigger pressure beats smaller pressure.

Perception is everything.
When I close my eyes, I do not thereby annihilate the world.

The link was absolutely useless; it talked about the trend of academia to move towards the Democrat, but that is about it
The only thing the link was for was statistics. That's it.

Plus, it only states that these professors lean to the Democrats more often than not; this doesn't necessarily make them all leftists or ideologues, it just shows their voting intentions. Its possible you could have some very right-wing academics that find the Republican cozy-up to religious nuts repugnant
There are very few of those anywhere, and such a HIGH PERCENTAGE of those who are libertarian or near-libertarian signing up for a low-paid government-controlled industry and voting for the party that keeps them herded into unions over religious a highly unlikely counterclaim, and one you would have the burden for.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com...
Teachers (primary and secondary for this study, but they are cut from the same cloth) heart religion, want to ban porn and abortion, at least compared to other Americans.

So they vote democrat, and they are socially conservative. Yet somehow they are "right wing" in a way that is only countered by an intolerance for the religous right? The statistics say the OPPOSITE of your idea.
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