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7/20/2012 8:13:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
1) can we all agree that smoking cigarettes has a negative health effect (now watch as some contrarians pop up first)?

What can realistically be done to remove smoking cigarettes?
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7/20/2012 8:17:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:13:58 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
1) can we all agree that smoking cigarettes has a negative health effect (now watch as some contrarians pop up first)?

What can realistically be done to remove smoking cigarettes?

Why should it be eradicated?

Just because something is unhealthy doesn't mean we can dictate how they can live their lives.
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7/20/2012 8:20:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I will smoke cigarettes if I want to. I do not need you worrying about my health! Bud out of my life and my own personal decisions!
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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7/20/2012 8:22:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I think people should have the freedom to smoke if they want. I would not choose such a decision, but hey if people want to, I say let them. I support the regulations on tobacco currently, and the excise taxes which discourage usage of the product.
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7/20/2012 8:25:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:22:18 PM, Contra wrote:
I think people should have the freedom to smoke if they want. I would not choose such a decision, but hey if people want to, I say let them. I support the regulations on tobacco currently, and the excise taxes which discourage usage of the product.

If you believe they should have the freedom to smoke, why do you support the sin tax on cigarettes? The government should not decide if I should smoke or not by over taxing them.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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7/20/2012 8:25:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Apparently everyone jumps to "restriction of freedom" and goes on the defensive.
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7/20/2012 8:27:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:25:57 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Apparently everyone jumps to "restriction of freedom" and goes on the defensive.

You want to eradicate the usage of a product, so yes you are restricting freedom! Give me a good reason it should be eradicated.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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7/20/2012 8:30:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:27:40 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:57 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Apparently everyone jumps to "restriction of freedom" and goes on the defensive.

You want to eradicate the usage of a product, so yes you are restricting freedom! Give me a good reason it should be eradicated.

It is severely unhealthy and highly addictive, beyond the threshold of reasonability . There are other ways than a restriction (effecting supply), such as education (effecting demand).
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7/20/2012 8:31:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:30:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:27:40 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:57 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Apparently everyone jumps to "restriction of freedom" and goes on the defensive.

You want to eradicate the usage of a product, so yes you are restricting freedom! Give me a good reason it should be eradicated.

It is severely unhealthy and highly addictive, beyond the threshold of reasonability . There are other ways than a restriction (effecting supply), such as education (effecting demand).

What do you care if it's unhealthy and addictive? It isn't your business.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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7/20/2012 8:33:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:31:11 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:30:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:27:40 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:57 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Apparently everyone jumps to "restriction of freedom" and goes on the defensive.

You want to eradicate the usage of a product, so yes you are restricting freedom! Give me a good reason it should be eradicated.

It is severely unhealthy and highly addictive, beyond the threshold of reasonability . There are other ways than a restriction (effecting supply), such as education (effecting demand).

What do you care if it's unhealthy and addictive? It isn't your business.

I'm a social creature, I care about others, I just can't help it. Sorry (not really).
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7/20/2012 8:33:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:25:10 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:22:18 PM, Contra wrote:
I think people should have the freedom to smoke if they want. I would not choose such a decision, but hey if people want to, I say let them. I support the regulations on tobacco currently, and the excise taxes which discourage usage of the product.

If you believe they should have the freedom to smoke, why do you support the sin tax on cigarettes? The government should not decide if I should smoke or not by over taxing them.

The constitution permits the use of excise taxes for revenue. It also discourages the use of harmful products.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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7/20/2012 8:34:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:33:09 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:31:11 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:30:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:27:40 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:57 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Apparently everyone jumps to "restriction of freedom" and goes on the defensive.

You want to eradicate the usage of a product, so yes you are restricting freedom! Give me a good reason it should be eradicated.

It is severely unhealthy and highly addictive, beyond the threshold of reasonability . There are other ways than a restriction (effecting supply), such as education (effecting demand).

What do you care if it's unhealthy and addictive? It isn't your business.

I'm a social creature, I care about others, I just can't help it. Sorry (not really).

Still isn't anyone elses business....Free country, afterall.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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7/20/2012 8:34:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:13:58 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
1) can we all agree that smoking cigarettes has a negative health effect (now watch as some contrarians pop up first)?

What can realistically be done to remove smoking cigarettes?

When a person attempts to buy a pack of cigarettes, give them a Big Mac instead.

All the smokers will die of diabetes or heart disease, and then we won't have to worry about their awful habit.
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7/20/2012 8:34:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:20:49 PM, EvanK wrote:
I will smoke cigarettes if I want to. I do not need you worrying about my health! Bud out of my life and my own personal decisions!

No one gives a damn what you do to your body, its what your doing to other peoples bodies. Do you know how many people smokers murder with their second-hand fumes? Selfish b@stards make me sick.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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7/20/2012 8:35:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:33:39 PM, Contra wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:10 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:22:18 PM, Contra wrote:
I think people should have the freedom to smoke if they want. I would not choose such a decision, but hey if people want to, I say let them. I support the regulations on tobacco currently, and the excise taxes which discourage usage of the product.

If you believe they should have the freedom to smoke, why do you support the sin tax on cigarettes? The government should not decide if I should smoke or not by over taxing them.

The constitution permits the use of excise taxes for revenue. It also discourages the use of harmful products.

Why should the government get in someone elses personal life and discourage the use of a product? It isn't their job to protect people from their own decisions they make knowingly.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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7/20/2012 8:35:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:34:05 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:33:09 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:31:11 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:30:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:27:40 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:57 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Apparently everyone jumps to "restriction of freedom" and goes on the defensive.

You want to eradicate the usage of a product, so yes you are restricting freedom! Give me a good reason it should be eradicated.

It is severely unhealthy and highly addictive, beyond the threshold of reasonability . There are other ways than a restriction (effecting supply), such as education (effecting demand).

What do you care if it's unhealthy and addictive? It isn't your business.

I'm a social creature, I care about others, I just can't help it. Sorry (not really).

Still isn't anyone elses business....Free country, afterall.

"free country" is just a political buzz word. It has already been pointed out that the constitution allows for the various taxes.
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7/20/2012 8:37:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:34:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:20:49 PM, EvanK wrote:
I will smoke cigarettes if I want to. I do not need you worrying about my health! Bud out of my life and my own personal decisions!

No one gives a damn what you do to your body, its what your doing to other peoples bodies. Do you know how many people smokers murder with their second-hand fumes? Selfish b@stards make me sick.

Oh for god's sake cry me a river. If someone wants to have a smoke in their own house or in their car, who's to say they can't? And if a business owner wants to allow smoking in a restaurant that he owns, who's to say he can't?
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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7/20/2012 8:37:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:35:16 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:33:39 PM, Contra wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:10 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:22:18 PM, Contra wrote:
I think people should have the freedom to smoke if they want. I would not choose such a decision, but hey if people want to, I say let them. I support the regulations on tobacco currently, and the excise taxes which discourage usage of the product.

If you believe they should have the freedom to smoke, why do you support the sin tax on cigarettes? The government should not decide if I should smoke or not by over taxing them.

The constitution permits the use of excise taxes for revenue. It also discourages the use of harmful products.

Why should the government get in someone elses personal life and discourage the use of a product? It isn't their job to protect people from their own decisions they make knowingly.

Depends on one's view of the government's role. You and I clearly have different opinions on the role of government.
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7/20/2012 8:38:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:35:45 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:34:05 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:33:09 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:31:11 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:30:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:27:40 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:57 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Apparently everyone jumps to "restriction of freedom" and goes on the defensive.

You want to eradicate the usage of a product, so yes you are restricting freedom! Give me a good reason it should be eradicated.

It is severely unhealthy and highly addictive, beyond the threshold of reasonability . There are other ways than a restriction (effecting supply), such as education (effecting demand).

What do you care if it's unhealthy and addictive? It isn't your business.

I'm a social creature, I care about others, I just can't help it. Sorry (not really).

Still isn't anyone elses business....Free country, afterall.

"free country" is just a political buzz word. It has already been pointed out that the constitution allows for the various taxes.

Yes, it does. Doesn't make them good. If someone wants to smoke, it's their decision alone. The government has no business telling people if they can or cannot smoke.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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7/20/2012 8:38:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:37:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:35:16 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:33:39 PM, Contra wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:10 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:22:18 PM, Contra wrote:
I think people should have the freedom to smoke if they want. I would not choose such a decision, but hey if people want to, I say let them. I support the regulations on tobacco currently, and the excise taxes which discourage usage of the product.

If you believe they should have the freedom to smoke, why do you support the sin tax on cigarettes? The government should not decide if I should smoke or not by over taxing them.

The constitution permits the use of excise taxes for revenue. It also discourages the use of harmful products.

Why should the government get in someone elses personal life and discourage the use of a product? It isn't their job to protect people from their own decisions they make knowingly.

Depends on one's view of the government's role. You and I clearly have different opinions on the role of government.

Very.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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7/20/2012 8:38:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:34:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:20:49 PM, EvanK wrote:
I will smoke cigarettes if I want to. I do not need you worrying about my health! Bud out of my life and my own personal decisions!

No one gives a damn what you do to your body, its what your doing to other peoples bodies. Do you know how many people smokers murder with their second-hand fumes? Selfish b@stards make me sick.

Do you?

I would have to find the study, but it concluded that there was no significant risk due to second-hand smoke.
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7/20/2012 8:40:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:38:31 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:35:45 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:34:05 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:33:09 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:31:11 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:30:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:27:40 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:57 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Apparently everyone jumps to "restriction of freedom" and goes on the defensive.

You want to eradicate the usage of a product, so yes you are restricting freedom! Give me a good reason it should be eradicated.

It is severely unhealthy and highly addictive, beyond the threshold of reasonability . There are other ways than a restriction (effecting supply), such as education (effecting demand).

What do you care if it's unhealthy and addictive? It isn't your business.

I'm a social creature, I care about others, I just can't help it. Sorry (not really).

Still isn't anyone elses business....Free country, afterall.

"free country" is just a political buzz word. It has already been pointed out that the constitution allows for the various taxes.

Yes, it does. Doesn't make them good. If someone wants to smoke, it's their decision alone. The government has no business telling people if they can or cannot smoke.

Government restriction on consumer choice is not the only option, as I've pointed out already. Now you're just strawmanning.
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7/20/2012 8:41:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:38:49 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:34:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:20:49 PM, EvanK wrote:
I will smoke cigarettes if I want to. I do not need you worrying about my health! Bud out of my life and my own personal decisions!

No one gives a damn what you do to your body, its what your doing to other peoples bodies. Do you know how many people smokers murder with their second-hand fumes? Selfish b@stards make me sick.

Do you?

I would have to find the study, but it concluded that there was no significant risk due to second-hand smoke.

You can also find studies arguing that smoking has not caused a single case of lung cancer (since it only raises the risk of it, but we can't trace back the tumor directly to a cigarette).
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7/20/2012 8:43:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:40:18 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:38:31 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:35:45 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:34:05 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:33:09 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:31:11 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:30:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:27:40 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:57 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Apparently everyone jumps to "restriction of freedom" and goes on the defensive.

You want to eradicate the usage of a product, so yes you are restricting freedom! Give me a good reason it should be eradicated.

It is severely unhealthy and highly addictive, beyond the threshold of reasonability . There are other ways than a restriction (effecting supply), such as education (effecting demand).

What do you care if it's unhealthy and addictive? It isn't your business.

I'm a social creature, I care about others, I just can't help it. Sorry (not really).

Still isn't anyone elses business....Free country, afterall.

"free country" is just a political buzz word. It has already been pointed out that the constitution allows for the various taxes.

Yes, it does. Doesn't make them good. If someone wants to smoke, it's their decision alone. The government has no business telling people if they can or cannot smoke.

Government restriction on consumer choice is not the only option, as I've pointed out already. Now you're just strawmanning.

I do not care what your options are. I am for smoking. Period. Whether you use over taxation, "education" (like anyone doesn't know the consequences of smoking) or an outright ban on smoking, I am still 100% for the legality of smoking.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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7/20/2012 8:44:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:41:37 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:38:49 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:34:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:20:49 PM, EvanK wrote:
I will smoke cigarettes if I want to. I do not need you worrying about my health! Bud out of my life and my own personal decisions!

No one gives a damn what you do to your body, its what your doing to other peoples bodies. Do you know how many people smokers murder with their second-hand fumes? Selfish b@stards make me sick.

Do you?

I would have to find the study, but it concluded that there was no significant risk due to second-hand smoke.

You can also find studies arguing that smoking has not caused a single case of lung cancer (since it only raises the risk of it, but we can't trace back the tumor directly to a cigarette).

But here are some basic stats.

http://www.cdc.gov...

"Secondhand smoke exposure causes an estimated 3,400 lung cancer deaths annually among adult nonsmokers in the United States."
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7/20/2012 8:44:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:35:16 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:33:39 PM, Contra wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:10 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:22:18 PM, Contra wrote:
I think people should have the freedom to smoke if they want. I would not choose such a decision, but hey if people want to, I say let them. I support the regulations on tobacco currently, and the excise taxes which discourage usage of the product.

If you believe they should have the freedom to smoke, why do you support the sin tax on cigarettes? The government should not decide if I should smoke or not by over taxing them.

The constitution permits the use of excise taxes for revenue. It also discourages the use of harmful products.

Why should the government get in someone elses personal life and discourage the use of a product? It isn't their job to protect people from their own decisions they make knowingly.

Gov't can protect life by discouraging the use of life threatening substances such as drugs that also pollute the air and harm others, especially those they live with.

Discouraging the use of smoking and regulating it to discourage it further to help our air and our families is thus a pro-clean air, pro-life, pro-families issue that gov't can help resolve, and is constitutionally permitted.
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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7/20/2012 8:45:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:37:20 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:34:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:20:49 PM, EvanK wrote:
I will smoke cigarettes if I want to. I do not need you worrying about my health! Bud out of my life and my own personal decisions!

No one gives a damn what you do to your body, its what your doing to other peoples bodies. Do you know how many people smokers murder with their second-hand fumes? Selfish b@stards make me sick.

Oh for god's sake cry me a river. If someone wants to have a smoke in their own house or in their car, who's to say they can't? And if a business owner wants to allow smoking in a restaurant that he owns, who's to say he can't?

If you have children,...you better not be doing it around them. They're even more susceptible to harm.
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7/20/2012 8:46:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:43:50 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:40:18 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:38:31 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:35:45 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:34:05 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:33:09 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:31:11 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:30:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:27:40 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:57 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Apparently everyone jumps to "restriction of freedom" and goes on the defensive.

You want to eradicate the usage of a product, so yes you are restricting freedom! Give me a good reason it should be eradicated.

It is severely unhealthy and highly addictive, beyond the threshold of reasonability . There are other ways than a restriction (effecting supply), such as education (effecting demand).

What do you care if it's unhealthy and addictive? It isn't your business.

I'm a social creature, I care about others, I just can't help it. Sorry (not really).

Still isn't anyone elses business....Free country, afterall.

"free country" is just a political buzz word. It has already been pointed out that the constitution allows for the various taxes.

Yes, it does. Doesn't make them good. If someone wants to smoke, it's their decision alone. The government has no business telling people if they can or cannot smoke.

Government restriction on consumer choice is not the only option, as I've pointed out already. Now you're just strawmanning.

I do not care what your options are. I am for smoking. Period. Whether you use over taxation, "education" (like anyone doesn't know the consequences of smoking) or an outright ban on smoking, I am still 100% for the legality of smoking.

education and taxation does not effect the legality of smoking, so you're just throwing a hissy fit for what now?
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7/20/2012 8:46:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/20/2012 8:44:53 PM, Contra wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:35:16 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:33:39 PM, Contra wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:25:10 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 7/20/2012 8:22:18 PM, Contra wrote:
I think people should have the freedom to smoke if they want. I would not choose such a decision, but hey if people want to, I say let them. I support the regulations on tobacco currently, and the excise taxes which discourage usage of the product.

If you believe they should have the freedom to smoke, why do you support the sin tax on cigarettes? The government should not decide if I should smoke or not by over taxing them.

The constitution permits the use of excise taxes for revenue. It also discourages the use of harmful products.

Why should the government get in someone elses personal life and discourage the use of a product? It isn't their job to protect people from their own decisions they make knowingly.

Gov't can protect life by discouraging the use of life threatening substances such as drugs that also pollute the air and harm others, especially those they live with.

Discouraging the use of smoking and regulating it to discourage it further to help our air and our families is thus a pro-clean air, pro-life, pro-families issue that gov't can help resolve, and is constitutionally permitted.

It's a waste of time to "discourge" it via "education", and it is none of their business to tax a product so much that people have to quit. It isn't their business.
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