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The US government - Evil or greatest evil?

TheBellTolls
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7/26/2012 4:36:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It seems obvious to any sane being that no other group in the same time period has matched the last 50 years of evil perpetrated by the us government. The innocent blood spilt, the acts of terror commited or the violence spewed out dementedly across the face of this earth.

Except possibly those that control them.

The bell tolls
inferno
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7/26/2012 4:48:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/26/2012 4:36:12 PM, TheBellTolls wrote:
It seems obvious to any sane being that no other group in the same time period has matched the last 50 years of evil perpetrated by the us government. The innocent blood spilt, the acts of terror commited or the violence spewed out dementedly across the face of this earth.

Except possibly those that control them.

The bell tolls

The bell is dead. Noone hears it but you.
Frederick53
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7/26/2012 4:55:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Evil, but not the greatest evil. Not even close.
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NixonianVolkswagen
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7/26/2012 5:02:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Maybe in terms of scale, if a number of at best debatable (at worst suspect) premises are held to be true, just because the human race has never been so big. I guess that argument would be, "If all Empires are equally brutal, the one which affects the most people will be worst."

It's not one that I'd personally attest to however.
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7/26/2012 5:14:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/26/2012 4:36:12 PM, TheBellTolls wrote:
It seems obvious to any sane being that no other group in the same time period has matched the last 50 years of evil perpetrated by the us government. The innocent blood spilt, the acts of terror commited or the violence spewed out dementedly across the face of this earth.
Kinda hard to match up against the Communists. Take your pic, Mao or Stalin.
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Ren
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7/26/2012 5:18:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/26/2012 4:36:12 PM, TheBellTolls wrote:
It seems obvious to any sane being that no other group in the same time period has matched the last 50 years of evil perpetrated by the us government. The innocent blood spilt, the acts of terror commited or the violence spewed out dementedly across the face of this earth.

Except possibly those that control them.

The bell tolls

You must live in a box, where it's assumed you can just talk fallacious shiit like that and get away with it, rather than it being a generous gift in support of an honorable ideal.

Anyway, travel a bit, or at least, start reading foreign newspapers.
PARADIGM_L0ST
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7/26/2012 5:22:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/26/2012 4:36:12 PM, TheBellTolls wrote:
It seems obvious to any sane being that no other group in the same time period has matched the last 50 years of evil perpetrated by the us government. The innocent blood spilt, the acts of terror commited or the violence spewed out dementedly across the face of this earth.

Except possibly those that control them.

The bell tolls:

I'm hyper-critical of the US government, but this is a bit of a stretch. How evil is it to spend billions of dollars on ordinance that limits collateral damage? If the US was the "most evil," it would simply have turned the middle east into glass.

Honestly, when compared to, oh, I don't know, Libya or Syria, which brutally massacres its own people with impunity, it makes it seem as your only argument is that the US is more successful from a strategic point of view.

So, no, I'm not buying that the US is the most evil.
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inferno
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7/26/2012 5:30:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/26/2012 5:18:55 PM, Ren wrote:
At 7/26/2012 4:36:12 PM, TheBellTolls wrote:
It seems obvious to any sane being that no other group in the same time period has matched the last 50 years of evil perpetrated by the us government. The innocent blood spilt, the acts of terror commited or the violence spewed out dementedly across the face of this earth.

Except possibly those that control them.

The bell tolls

You must live in a box, where it's assumed you can just talk fallacious shiit like that and get away with it, rather than it being a generous gift in support of an honorable ideal.

Anyway, travel a bit, or at least, start reading foreign newspapers.

Are you not being a victim of your own criticism ?
Perhaps that individual has traveled a bit or read a foreign newspaper as
you ignorantly put it. As if that is suppose to define logic in itself.
This person is telling you why they believe the system to be as corrupt it is
now. You cannot debate that it is not. Only a fool would say such a thing
after all you have come to know about the Government.
sadolite
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7/26/2012 5:31:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
All govts start with good intentions and then decay into tyrannical oppression of the citizenry. It is a cycle that will never be broken. The US govt is no exception. Do I still have the same liberties as I did 30 years ago? NO. Will I have the same number of liberties that I have left now in 30 years? NO. Will all my personal liberties be eventually banned and then doled out on a as needed bases to serve a select a select few. Yes. Mabey not in my life time, but most assuredly in the next, if civil war doesn't stop it from happening.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

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DanT
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7/26/2012 6:29:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/26/2012 4:36:12 PM, TheBellTolls wrote:
It seems obvious to any sane being that no other group in the same time period has matched the last 50 years of evil perpetrated by the us government. The innocent blood spilt, the acts of terror commited or the violence spewed out dementedly across the face of this earth.

Except possibly those that control them.

The bell tolls

A.) Evil is subjective
B.) The Soviet Union was much more evil. Their desire to spread communism lead to all the wars during the cold war. The Soviet Union's war in Afghanistan set off a chain reaction that led to 9/11. The Soviet's spreading influence in the middle east also played a key role in the Arab-Israeli conflict.
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DanT
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7/26/2012 6:33:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/26/2012 4:36:12 PM, TheBellTolls wrote:
It seems obvious to any sane being that no other group in the same time period has matched the last 50 years of evil perpetrated by the us government. The innocent blood spilt, the acts of terror commited or the violence spewed out dementedly across the face of this earth.

Except possibly those that control them.

The bell tolls

All Governments are a necessary evil, and should be limited as much as possible. If you think the US is the most evil government in the last 50 years, than either the list of governments you are surveying is drastically limited, or you have a odd definition of evil. There's a long list of governments far more evil than the US.
The US has done far more good in the last 50 years than it has done evil. Nothing is purely good or purely evil; it is the balance of good and evil that determines how good or evil someone or something is.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
Ren
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7/26/2012 6:35:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/26/2012 5:30:13 PM, inferno wrote:
At 7/26/2012 5:18:55 PM, Ren wrote:
At 7/26/2012 4:36:12 PM, TheBellTolls wrote:
It seems obvious to any sane being that no other group in the same time period has matched the last 50 years of evil perpetrated by the us government. The innocent blood spilt, the acts of terror commited or the violence spewed out dementedly across the face of this earth.

Except possibly those that control them.

The bell tolls

You must live in a box, where it's assumed you can just talk fallacious shiit like that and get away with it, rather than it being a generous gift in support of an honorable ideal.

Anyway, travel a bit, or at least, start reading foreign newspapers.

Are you not being a victim of your own criticism ?
Perhaps that individual has traveled a bit or read a foreign newspaper as
you ignorantly put it. As if that is suppose to define logic in itself.
This person is telling you why they believe the system to be as corrupt it is
now. You cannot debate that it is not. Only a fool would say such a thing
after all you have come to know about the Government.

Lol, this government is especially evil, more evil than every other government on earth?

You serious about that one?

Dude, you would get tortured for saying shiit like that about a government in some countries.

It's a childish argument. Our government isn't innocent or perfect, but it isn't the worst on earth, wtf kind of inappreciative shiit is that.
NixonianVolkswagen
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7/26/2012 6:46:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/26/2012 6:29:23 PM, DanT wrote:
At 7/26/2012 4:36:12 PM, TheBellTolls wrote:
It seems obvious to any sane being that no other group in the same time period has matched the last 50 years of evil perpetrated by the us government. The innocent blood spilt, the acts of terror commited or the violence spewed out dementedly across the face of this earth.

Except possibly those that control them.

The bell tolls

A.) Evil is subjective
B.) The Soviet Union was much more evil. Their desire to spread communism lead to all the wars during the cold war. The Soviet Union's war in Afghanistan set off a chain reaction that led to 9/11. The Soviet's spreading influence in the middle east also played a key role in the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, this was hyperbole, right?
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DanT
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7/26/2012 6:53:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/26/2012 6:35:32 PM, Ren wrote:
At 7/26/2012 5:30:13 PM, inferno wrote:
At 7/26/2012 5:18:55 PM, Ren wrote:
At 7/26/2012 4:36:12 PM, TheBellTolls wrote:
It seems obvious to any sane being that no other group in the same time period has matched the last 50 years of evil perpetrated by the us government. The innocent blood spilt, the acts of terror commited or the violence spewed out dementedly across the face of this earth.

Except possibly those that control them.

The bell tolls

You must live in a box, where it's assumed you can just talk fallacious shiit like that and get away with it, rather than it being a generous gift in support of an honorable ideal.

Anyway, travel a bit, or at least, start reading foreign newspapers.

Are you not being a victim of your own criticism ?
Perhaps that individual has traveled a bit or read a foreign newspaper as
you ignorantly put it. As if that is suppose to define logic in itself.
This person is telling you why they believe the system to be as corrupt it is
now. You cannot debate that it is not. Only a fool would say such a thing
after all you have come to know about the Government.

Lol, this government is especially evil, more evil than every other government on earth?

You serious about that one?

Dude, you would get tortured for saying shiit like that about a government in some countries.

It's a childish argument. Our government isn't innocent or perfect, but it isn't the worst on earth, wtf kind of inappreciative shiit is that.

This.... The USSR use to erase people from existence, like Alexander Malchenko.
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Frederick53
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7/26/2012 8:07:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
If we can all agree that the only real measure of an country's evil is to what degree their actions influenced the world for the worst, then the list would go something like 1. USSR 2. China 3. USA. However this does not justify the US's actions during the cold war, because their actions were just as indiscriminant and murderous as those of the 2 other countries, just on a smaller scale. And since American hegemony does not equate to defeating communism (it actually only fuels communist revolutions) most of the actions did not contribute to fighting the USSR or China anyway.
In 1975, the Second Vietnam War began -1Historygenius

Like no wonder that indian dude rejected you.- Darkkermit to royalpaladin

Social Darwinism is a justification- 1Historygenius

Equal opportunity exists, so there is no problem- EvanK