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Who is your favorite president?

comoncents
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9/2/2009 4:44:47 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Who is your favorite president?

Who, in your eyes, is the greatest president in history?

What made that president the greatest?
studentathletechristian8
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9/2/2009 5:01:29 PM
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At 9/2/2009 4:44:47 PM, comoncents wrote:
Who is your favorite president?

Who, in your eyes, is the greatest president in history?

What made that president the greatest?

There are so many. My top five are Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Abraham Lincoln, and FDR. I greatly enjoyed learning about the Louisiana Purchase, the Progressive Movement, the Civil War, and the Freat Depression. Although these presidents had some failures, they all dedicated themselves to the presidency and positively impacted America.
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9/2/2009 6:22:31 PM
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At 9/2/2009 5:01:29 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
My top five are ... Abraham Lincoln, and FDR.

*patiently awaits attack from wjmelements*
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9/2/2009 7:15:10 PM
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At 9/2/2009 6:22:31 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 9/2/2009 5:01:29 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
My top five are ... Abraham Lincoln, and FDR.

*patiently awaits attack from wjmelements*

You know what, I don't care. He has his opinions and I have mine. Abe Lincoln may have taken some actions against the Constitution, but in the end, he did it to save the Constitution and the Union. No U.S. President in tacever faced a Civil War, and I appreciate Lincoln's attempts at union. FDR may have been unsuccessful with his New Deal, but no president ever faced as great as a depression as he did. He tried something new and gave all his heart in attempting to improve America. His reforms are partly in tact today. No offense to wjm, but I can guarantee that he would not have been able to successfully lead the nation during these crushing times experienced by Lincoln and FDR. Instead of insulting, you should learn from their mistakes and appreciate their attempts. It is not that hard to comprehend.
Volkov
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9/2/2009 7:57:18 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Boris Tadic! He's the President of Serbia. :D

In seriousness, I'd say Clinton is the only favourable US President to me; mind you, I don't have many others because I don't care that much about US politics.

But, I suppose I'm a fan of FDR to a point, but I really don't know that much about him; for a Republican, Reagan was an alright President, minus a lot of his economics and most social policies; Carter is an interesting man, not so much for his time in Presidency as for what he is doing now; JFK was another OK President. I do like Barack, but he still has a long way to go.

Now, ask me who my top five favourite Canadian Prime Ministers and Premiers are, and you'll get an earful. And even though no one asked, I'll say anyways:

Prime Ministers:
1. Jean Chretien (1993-2003)
2. Pierre Trudeau (1968-1979, 1980-1984)
3. Paul Martin (2003-2006)
4. Mackenzie King (1921-1925, 1926-1930, 1935-1948)
5. Wilfred Laurier (1896-1911)

Premiers:
1. Jean Charest (Quebec; 2003-present)
2. Frank McKenna (New Brunswick; 1987-1997)
3. Dalton McGuinty (Ontario; 2003-present)
4. Gary Doer (Manitoba; 1999-2009)
5. Gordon Campbell (British Columbia; 2001-present)

>:D
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9/2/2009 8:07:48 PM
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Ronald Wilson Reagan, he ended the cold war, one of the most potentially catastrophic situations the world ever faced.
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Volkov
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9/2/2009 8:09:51 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/2/2009 8:07:48 PM, ReganFan wrote:
Ronald Wilson Reagan, he ended the cold war,

He did?

one of the most potentially catastrophic situations the world ever faced.

Which was?
Xer
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9/2/2009 8:11:46 PM
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At 9/2/2009 8:09:51 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 9/2/2009 8:07:48 PM, ReganFan wrote:
Ronald Wilson Reagan, he ended the cold war,

He did?

Yes.

one of the most potentially catastrophic situations the world ever faced.

Which was?

The cold war. I.e. a nuclear catastrophe.
Volkov
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9/2/2009 8:13:56 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/2/2009 8:11:46 PM, Nags wrote:
Yes.

I would say he may have helped with some semi-OK foreign policy, but I wouldn't say he ended it, or at least not single-handedly.

The cold war. I.e. a nuclear catastrophe.

I wouldn't say that a nuclear war would have ever necessarily happened during the Cold War.
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9/2/2009 8:20:48 PM
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At 9/2/2009 8:13:56 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 9/2/2009 8:11:46 PM, Nags wrote:
Yes.

I would say he may have helped with some semi-OK foreign policy, but I wouldn't say he ended it, or at least not single-handedly.

He was the main reason for the end of the Cold War. It is practically an unanimous concensus.

The cold war. I.e. a nuclear catastrophe.

I wouldn't say that a nuclear war would have ever necessarily happened during the Cold War.

It was definitely a real possibility. See: http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...
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9/2/2009 8:33:25 PM
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At 9/2/2009 8:20:48 PM, Nags wrote:
He was the main reason for the end of the Cold War. It is practically an unanimous concensus.

Maybe among Republicans, sort of like how among a lot of Democrats, FDR is considered the Godsend that ended the Great Depression single-handedly.

I, on the other hand, disagree with the mythos surrounding these men. The Warsaw Pact was already faltering and the Soviet Union was already drastically imploding upon itself. Reagan played a major part, no doubt, in helping push them past the brink; but he was only working upon what was already occurring.

Personally, I feel Mikhail Gorbachev was just as influential in ending the Cold War and the Soviet Union as Reagan, but that doesn't discard the fact that this was already going to happen regardless.

It was definitely a real possibility. See: http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...

I don't think it was. There is two things you have to remember about that old monolith called the Soviet Union; one, they were not that different from Americans except in political ideology, and the citizens were just as afraid of nuclear war as Americans were; and two, the USSR was run by elites that would never, ever want that to end, such as a nuclear war would provide. Same with the United States; why ruin something that was so good?
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9/2/2009 8:56:02 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/2/2009 8:20:48 PM, Nags wrote:
He was the main reason for the end of the Cold War. It is practically an unanimous concensus.

Absolutely not. This is far from a consensus.

Perhaps among Republicans...
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9/2/2009 9:18:42 PM
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Exactly how is he supposed to have ended the cold war anyway?
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
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9/2/2009 9:37:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/2/2009 9:29:28 PM, Nags wrote:
At 9/2/2009 9:18:42 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Exactly how is he supposed to have ended the cold war anyway?

http://www.lewrockwell.com...

Nags... come on...

At least those who claim it was the military buildup have something somewhat substantial backing up their argument. That link is hogwash. This is Mr. Roberts' thesis:
"...it was President Reagan's confidence in capitalism, not his defense buildup, that caused Soviet leaders to lose their confidence. "

I would rate that argument about as strong as "They hate us for our freedom."
JBlake
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9/2/2009 9:40:57 PM
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To answer your question, Ragnar:

Some believe that Reagan's arms buildup kicked off an arms race that the USSR could not afford. The USSR tried to keep up, went bankrupt, and collapsed.
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9/2/2009 10:41:22 PM
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The Soviet Union couldn't afford what it was already doing anyway. At best a few more arms are an accelerant.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
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9/2/2009 10:43:39 PM
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And incidentally, saying Reagan's confidence in capitalism stopped the Soviets is a lot like saying Hitler's confidence in Judiasm got him to conquer France. As Reagan was quick to remind people, he was a fervent New Dealer who voted 4 times for FDR.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
regebro
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9/3/2009 1:52:31 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/2/2009 9:40:57 PM, JBlake wrote:
To answer your question, Ragnar:

Some believe that Reagan's arms buildup kicked off an arms race that the USSR could not afford. The USSR tried to keep up, went bankrupt, and collapsed.

Reagan was president 1981 to 1989. Already 1981 it was obvious to much of the Soviet leadership that Soviet was slowly collapsing economically. Andropov tried to fix it by going harder at dissidents and fixing corruption. That obviously did not work. Then Chernenko came to power, and he didn't even try. Both these were old-school people that had been with Brezhnev since he took power 1964, and they were already then big-power conservatives.

But then came Gorbachev, who had emerged as leader of a younger faction. He realized that centralization and oppression did not work, and made a couple of crucial decisions under the banner of Perestroika and Glasnost. Perestroika was a restructuring of mainly the economy on a more decentralized structure. Glasnost (meaning openness, or something like that) was efforts to introduce more democracy into the system. Both basically programs of liberalization. Gorbachev had no idea what this would lead to, and did not intend to cause the collapse of the Soviet union, but this he did.

One effect of Glasnost + the bad economy was that Gorbachev was of the opinion both out of principal concerns and economic concerns that the Soviet Union no longer should force their satellite states to do their bidding. That meant that Hungary in 1989 could open the border to the west without fear of getting invaded by Soviet forces again. This in turn lead to a flood of East Germans simply leaving the country for west Germany via Hungary. This forced East Germany to open the border. A miscommunication from the East German state led to the people claiming that the border had been opened, but the guards not having received any orders about this (in fact, it was intended that the borders should be opened gradually, later). Finally the guards ended up having to choose between shooting people or letting them through. They let them through, and the people simply started to, with their bare hands, tear down the wall.

When news of this reached the Soviet Union, it was clear that the Soviet people also had no desire to stay with socialism. Many member states declared independence unilaterally. Finally, after an attempted Soviet coup thwarted by Boris Yeltsin, all the remaining member states in the Soviet Union created the Russian federation. The Soviet Union no longer had any member states, and Gorbachev resigned, and it was disbanded the following day.

Notice how Reagan has *nothing* do to with any of this. :-) Possibly it can be argued that because Reagan and Gorbachev got along well Gorbachev was not worried about a US invasion of the Soviet spheres of influence when the Soviet lessened its military presence. But that's it. The one who deserves most of the credit is Gorbachev. And quite a lot goes to various Hungarian and East German border guards, for not shooting people.

The end of the cold war came about when Gorbachev promised not to invade eastern Europe if it stopped being communist. After that everything else was pretty much inevitable. And indeed he promptly got the Nobel peace price for this, even before the Soviet collapse.
So prove me wrong, then.
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9/3/2009 3:17:34 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
I can't limit myself to my 'favorite' president. From what I've collected from my history classes I'd have to go with the list below

1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Woodrow Wilson
3. Dwight D. Eisenhower
4. Richard Nixon
5. Ronald Reagan
JBlake
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9/3/2009 8:52:13 AM
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At 9/3/2009 1:52:31 AM, regebro wrote:
Finally the guards ended up having to choose between shooting people or letting them through. They let them through, and the people simply started to, with their bare hands, tear down the wall.

Nuh uh, Regebro. It wuz Reagan cuz he said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." So bad***.
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9/3/2009 9:11:44 AM
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At 9/3/2009 8:52:13 AM, JBlake wrote:
At 9/3/2009 1:52:31 AM, regebro wrote:
Finally the guards ended up having to choose between shooting people or letting them through. They let them through, and the people simply started to, with their bare hands, tear down the wall.

Nuh uh, Regebro. It wuz Reagan cuz he said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." So bad***.

and then the Russians were all "Of Teh Noes! Reagan!"

and the Germans were like "Eff yeah, Reagan's got our back!"

Then Reagan tore down the wall by himself.
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9/3/2009 10:24:17 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
REAGAN SMASH!!!

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Also, just for the record, I didn't mean to give to the link of that article by lewrockwell.com. I also think his argument sucks. I can't find the other one right now though.
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9/3/2009 10:41:20 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 8:52:13 AM, JBlake wrote:
At 9/3/2009 1:52:31 AM, regebro wrote:
Finally the guards ended up having to choose between shooting people or letting them through. They let them through, and the people simply started to, with their bare hands, tear down the wall.

Nuh uh, Regebro. It wuz Reagan cuz he said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." So bad***.

Heh. :)

Actually, that speech shows that Reagan did not understand the situation either. He thinks the Soviets should tear down the wall to show that they are willing to reform. Of course, in hindsight we see that the tearing down of the wall necessarily meant that the system would collapse. Nobody realized what force that the desire for freedom was in these countries.

Also, Reagan references disarmament. Not exactly "Whoo, we are gonna out-build them". ;) (Besides, the balance of powers was central to the cold war theory. Mutually Assured Destruction and all that. The US did not *want* to outbuild the Soviets, because that would disturb the balance).
So prove me wrong, then.
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9/3/2009 4:14:07 PM
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Mine would be

1. FDR
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Thomas Jefferson
I'll get by with a little help from my friends.

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9/3/2009 7:04:15 PM
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At 9/3/2009 8:56:57 AM, JBlake wrote:
At 9/3/2009 3:17:34 AM, untitled_entity wrote:
4. Richard Nixon
5. Ronald Reagan

*Shock
*Horror

Nixon was a great foreign policy president.

Again, they're mainly the ones I found interesting from my Freshman APUSH course.
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9/3/2009 7:19:22 PM
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I'm dissapointed at the lack of wjm as of yet.

I'm amazed that nobody has even bothered to mention George Washington as of yet.