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7/28/2012 9:14:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
http://reason.com...

"Your Money" columnist Ron Lieber asks us to feel the pain of Cortney Munna, a 26-year-old NYU graduate who owes $100,000 for "an interdisciplinary degree in religious and women's studies" that is not quite as lucrative as she expected. Munna "makes $22 an hour working for a photographer" in San Francisco"

religious and women's studies

$100,000 in debt

Roflmfao.
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7/28/2012 9:23:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/28/2012 9:14:17 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
http://reason.com...

"Your Money" columnist Ron Lieber asks us to feel the pain of Cortney Munna, a 26-year-old NYU graduate who owes $100,000 for "an interdisciplinary degree in religious and women's studies" that is not quite as lucrative as she expected. Munna "makes $22 an hour working for a photographer" in San Francisco"

religious and women's studies

$100,000 in debt

Roflmfao.

investments always have their risks, which is why you should make and educated decision when planning a investment. A degree is an investment.
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7/28/2012 9:24:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/28/2012 9:14:17 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
http://reason.com...

"Your Money" columnist Ron Lieber asks us to feel the pain of Cortney Munna, a 26-year-old NYU graduate who owes $100,000 for "an interdisciplinary degree in religious and women's studies" that is not quite as lucrative as she expected. Munna "makes $22 an hour working for a photographer" in San Francisco"

religious and women's studies

$100,000 in debt

Roflmfao.

That's actually really good pay.
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7/28/2012 11:22:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/28/2012 10:46:10 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
At 7/28/2012 10:43:02 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
That's 11 times more than I make an hour...

-_-

You make $2 an hour?

Yep.
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7/29/2012 12:09:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/28/2012 11:22:11 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 7/28/2012 10:46:10 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
At 7/28/2012 10:43:02 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
That's 11 times more than I make an hour...

-_-

You make $2 an hour?

Yep.

The hell? Doing what? I didn't think the state would let people get paid below its price floors.
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7/29/2012 12:10:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/29/2012 12:09:03 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 7/28/2012 11:22:11 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 7/28/2012 10:46:10 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
At 7/28/2012 10:43:02 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
That's 11 times more than I make an hour...

-_-

You make $2 an hour?

Yep.

The hell? Doing what? I didn't think the state would let people get paid below its price floors.
Well I'm 15.
And I work for a non-profit, so they well within their right do so.
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7/29/2012 12:16:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
There you go with those liberals and their liberal studies.

The government needs to give me a job. I studied French Poetry, gosh dangit! It's not fair that all the good jobs are going to those stupid people who spent years studying business or accounting or managment or engineering or biology or chemistry.

Oh, and it's not fair that some people can start a business... I should have a business!
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7/29/2012 12:17:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/28/2012 9:24:42 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 7/28/2012 9:14:17 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
http://reason.com...

"Your Money" columnist Ron Lieber asks us to feel the pain of Cortney Munna, a 26-year-old NYU graduate who owes $100,000 for "an interdisciplinary degree in religious and women's studies" that is not quite as lucrative as she expected. Munna "makes $22 an hour working for a photographer" in San Francisco"

religious and women's studies

$100,000 in debt

Roflmfao.

That's actually really good pay.
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7/29/2012 12:54:27 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Living in San Fransisco is very expensive--$22 an hour won't go as far there. http://www.bestplaces.net...

But it's her own fault, so I don't feel bad for her.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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7/29/2012 3:33:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/28/2012 9:24:42 PM, darkkermit wrote:
That's actually really good pay.

Average wage in the US is $23.
Below average is good?
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7/29/2012 3:34:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/29/2012 3:33:49 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/28/2012 9:24:42 PM, darkkermit wrote:
That's actually really good pay.

Average wage in the US is $23.
Below average is good?

For a 26 year old?
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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7/29/2012 3:40:13 AM
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At 7/29/2012 3:34:56 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 7/29/2012 3:33:49 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/28/2012 9:24:42 PM, darkkermit wrote:
That's actually really good pay.

Average wage in the US is $23.
Below average is good?

For a 26 year old?

26 years old and $100,000 in debt. Are you forgetting that?
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7/29/2012 3:42:24 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/29/2012 3:40:13 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/29/2012 3:34:56 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 7/29/2012 3:33:49 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/28/2012 9:24:42 PM, darkkermit wrote:
That's actually really good pay.

Average wage in the US is $23.
Below average is good?

For a 26 year old?

26 years old and $100,000 in debt. Are you forgetting that?

She should get paid more because she made bad decisions?
Should we subsidize education?
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http://mises.org...

http://lewrockwell.com...

http://antiwar.com...

: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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7/29/2012 3:44:50 AM
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At 7/29/2012 3:42:24 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
She should get paid more because she made bad decisions?

No, of course not. Such mistakes as becoming educated should never be rewarded.
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7/29/2012 3:46:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/29/2012 3:44:50 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/29/2012 3:42:24 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
She should get paid more because she made bad decisions?

No, of course not. Such mistakes as becoming educated should never be rewarded.

religious and women's studies

I don't think so.
Should we subsidize education?
http://www.debate.org...

http://mises.org...

http://lewrockwell.com...

http://antiwar.com...

: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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7/29/2012 3:58:09 AM
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At 7/29/2012 3:46:46 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 7/29/2012 3:44:50 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/29/2012 3:42:24 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
She should get paid more because she made bad decisions?

No, of course not. Such mistakes as becoming educated should never be rewarded.

religious and women's studies

I don't think so.

Your educational choice is not just an investment. It is an extension of you. It's about you following your interests and aspirations. The same glove does not fit everyone. What is added to the pursuit of happiness if we can't choose the educational option that fits us best and have reassurance that our futures aren't going to go up in smoke just for that?
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7/29/2012 4:01:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/29/2012 3:58:09 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/29/2012 3:46:46 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 7/29/2012 3:44:50 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/29/2012 3:42:24 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
She should get paid more because she made bad decisions?

No, of course not. Such mistakes as becoming educated should never be rewarded.

religious and women's studies

I don't think so.

Your educational choice is not just an investment. It is an extension of you. It's about you following your interests and aspirations. The same glove does not fit everyone. What is added to the pursuit of happiness if we can't choose the educational option that fits us best and have reassurance that our futures aren't going to go up in smoke just for that?

If she wanted to educate herself to follow her interests and aspirations, rather than to invest in getting a job, she could have gone to a library, or the internet, or just dropped in on classes she wasn't signed up for. She could have learned from Ivy League lecturers--no school bothers to check to make sure people in lectures are students, because no one bothers to go to lectures unless they're getting a degree that they can use to get a job.
Should we subsidize education?
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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7/29/2012 4:03:28 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
http://oyc.yale.edu...
Look at all of these courses by some of the brightest academics in the country! I bet she didn't watch a single one.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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7/29/2012 4:06:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/29/2012 4:03:28 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
http://oyc.yale.edu...
Look at all of these courses by some of the brightest academics in the country! I bet she didn't watch a single one.

http://www.apple.com... too. And lots of other places. I've read dozens of books, watched hundreds of videos, read thousands of articles on subjects I'm interested in, mostly economics. Never even taken an college level economics class. No one needs to spend $100,000 to learn about something they're interested in.
Should we subsidize education?
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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7/29/2012 6:47:58 AM
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Maybe universities should improve their core curriculum? Like, part of your degree by college requirement is a Minor in something employable?

But I actually really like the idea of free, or low-debt, higher education. Especially if, as I outlined above, it's done in a responsible fashion.
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7/29/2012 7:22:06 AM
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Your educational choice is not just an investment. It is an extension of you. It's about you following your interests and aspirations. The same glove does not fit everyone. What is added to the pursuit of happiness if we can't choose the educational option that fits us best and have reassurance that our futures aren't going to go up in smoke just for that?

Freedo, you have to understand that courses like religious and women studies are basic liberal indoctrination. The courses are based in pseudo-science and revisionist history, and are often devoid of any practical or critical thinking skills. Undergraduate school isn't a place for people to go to have fun and discover themselves anymore, it is an investment.

If you go to school you should pursue a practical degree, and have a clear plan. Until the government finally wises up and stops subsidizing education, (which drives up school prices and lowers the value of education,) students need to go into college with a completely different attitude than the one our grandfathers had.
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7/29/2012 7:41:32 AM
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At 7/29/2012 6:47:58 AM, NixonianVolkswagen wrote:
Maybe universities should improve their core curriculum? Like, part of your degree by college requirement is a Minor in something employable?

But I actually really like the idea of free, or low-debt, higher education. Especially if, as I outlined above, it's done in a responsible fashion.

The problem is that when you have a free university system, the system does not have to do anything you tell them to, until you add regulation, which seems to be the taboo of American culture.
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7/29/2012 7:52:28 AM
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The problem is that when you have a free university system, the system does not have to do anything you tell them to, until you add regulation, which seems to be the taboo of American culture.

If the government hadn't subsizied education in the first place, then college prices wouldn't be this high. Private universities get huge government subsidies in the form of direct aid, pell grants, and federal student loans; they soak up these subisidies by increasing tuition costs. These increased tuition costs aren't reinvested in education, but in abstract things like "diversity," and not so abstract things like huge faculty salaries.

People go to college, because they expect to earn more when they get out of school than someone that didn't go to college. They consider it an investment, and they are more than willing to take on obscene amounts of debt, because they believe they are guaranteed a return on that investment. Doesn't this sound a lot like the housing bubble we had a few years ago? When do you think the higher education bubble is going to collapse?

Government needs to pull all funding, all grants, and student loans from private institutes. There will be pains at first, and it will hurt the students and universities, but the end product will be a leaner and cheaper product, with more value and a focus on practical education.
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7/29/2012 8:05:01 AM
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Honestly, 22 an hour is good pay. Honestly.

Oh, and I have no problem with people getting degrees solely in things that interest them.

That being said, I think maybe her problem was not the degree, but her actions AFTER the degree, if she's unhappy. My mom's boyfriend got a degree in French Literature, and he's had a long-standing job as a financier.
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7/29/2012 9:37:35 AM
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At 7/29/2012 7:41:32 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 7/29/2012 6:47:58 AM, NixonianVolkswagen wrote:
Maybe universities should improve their core curriculum? Like, part of your degree by college requirement is a Minor in something employable?

But I actually really like the idea of free, or low-debt, higher education. Especially if, as I outlined above, it's done in a responsible fashion.

The problem is that when you have a free university system, the system does not have to do anything you tell them to, until you add regulation, which seems to be the taboo of American culture.

Maybe make funding, or charitable status, contingent upon it? Although I can see that being a slippery slope to approved and unapproved Majors - in it's opponents rhetoric anyway.
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7/29/2012 10:01:48 AM
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At 7/28/2012 9:24:42 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 7/28/2012 9:14:17 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
http://reason.com...

"Your Money" columnist Ron Lieber asks us to feel the pain of Cortney Munna, a 26-year-old NYU graduate who owes $100,000 for "an interdisciplinary degree in religious and women's studies" that is not quite as lucrative as she expected. Munna "makes $22 an hour working for a photographer" in San Francisco"

religious and women's studies

$100,000 in debt

Roflmfao.

That's actually really good pay.

I make more than that and have a GED and don't owe anything. It will take her the rest of her natural life to pay that off at that pay grade. She can forget buying a house, that is her house. One has to contemplate weather she was college material in the first place by getting so far in debt with no plan to repay it other than to "hope" she got a good job. I question the intellegence of all who barrow so much money to go to school. The facts show that such a move is quite risky and not smart financially.
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7/29/2012 10:17:20 AM
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At 7/29/2012 10:01:48 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 7/28/2012 9:24:42 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 7/28/2012 9:14:17 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
http://reason.com...

"Your Money" columnist Ron Lieber asks us to feel the pain of Cortney Munna, a 26-year-old NYU graduate who owes $100,000 for "an interdisciplinary degree in religious and women's studies" that is not quite as lucrative as she expected. Munna "makes $22 an hour working for a photographer" in San Francisco"

religious and women's studies

$100,000 in debt

Roflmfao.

That's actually really good pay.

I make more than that and have a GED and don't owe anything. It will take her the rest of her natural life to pay that off at that pay grade. She can forget buying a house, that is her house. One has to contemplate weather she was college material in the first place by getting so far in debt with no plan to repay it other than to "hope" she got a good job. I question the intellegence of all who barrow so much money to go to school. The facts show that such a move is quite risky and not smart financially.

Actually, it will probably take about 11+ years.

Rest of her natural life....get real.
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7/29/2012 4:52:42 PM
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At 7/28/2012 9:24:42 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 7/28/2012 9:14:17 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
http://reason.com...

"Your Money" columnist Ron Lieber asks us to feel the pain of Cortney Munna, a 26-year-old NYU graduate who owes $100,000 for "an interdisciplinary degree in religious and women's studies" that is not quite as lucrative as she expected. Munna "makes $22 an hour working for a photographer" in San Francisco"

religious and women's studies

$100,000 in debt

Roflmfao.

That's actually really good pay.

That is good pay for a women's and religious studies major. What did she plan on doing with her degree? What is the career path of this major? It seems if you major in women's and religious studies you do not do it to get a good paying job.