Is Anarchy Feasible?
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7/31/2012 3:12:42 PM Posted: 5 years ago This is the question for my latest poll. Since there are a lot of anarchist leaning people on this site I want people to go vote on my poll if you can.
It's on the left near the top of the page. (http://www.conservativepolitico.org...) Polling aside, discuss. Is anarchy feasible in modern society? No one normal accomplished anything meaningful in this world. |
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7/31/2012 3:16:01 PM Posted: 5 years ago I would say "no".
But, to be honest, I am not that knowledgable on the topic. As a general rule, you'll find that, when a conservative is talking about policy, history, economics, or something serious, liberals are nowhere to be found. But, as soon as a conservative mentions Obama's birthplace or personal life, liberals are everywhere, only to dissappear again when evidence enters the discussion. |
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7/31/2012 4:03:38 PM Posted: 5 years ago It's not about reciprocation, it's just all about me, a sycophantic, prophetic, Socratic junkie wannabe. - The 1975, "The Sound" |
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7/31/2012 4:16:54 PM Posted: 5 years ago ^ Care to elaborate?
No one normal accomplished anything meaningful in this world. |
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7/31/2012 4:24:39 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:16:54 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote: Well, first of all, the feasibility of it is irrelevant. I'd say that, to borrow a phrase from Cody in a message with him, as long as one can prove that a lack of state is more desirable than state, it doesn't matter how hard it is to pull off, you don't need to plan out how it would work. It's inherently justified. That's where I come from. I'm, for the most part, an anarchist without adjectives. But, I sympathize with ancaps greatly. But, anyway: by feasibility, what do you mean? Using the basic def, "capable of being done," of course it's feasible. Once there's no monocentric state or involuntary government, anarchy has been done. It's feasible. Then again, I'm sure you mean something different. So: what do you mean by "is it feasible?" It's not about reciprocation, it's just all about me, a sycophantic, prophetic, Socratic junkie wannabe. - The 1975, "The Sound" |
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7/31/2012 4:27:28 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:24:39 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:16:54 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote: Feasible, meaning given today's political and technological culture could it be pulled off and sustained effectively. No one normal accomplished anything meaningful in this world. |
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7/31/2012 4:29:08 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:27:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:24:39 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:16:54 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote: In that sense, I believe it definitely could. When competition to succeed is involved, I maintain businesses, and individual people, can easily research and find ways to not only sustain resources, but also sustain themselves, and, through want of profit, their customers. It's not about reciprocation, it's just all about me, a sycophantic, prophetic, Socratic junkie wannabe. - The 1975, "The Sound" |
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7/31/2012 4:34:27 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:29:08 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:27:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:24:39 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:16:54 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote: I'd agree to an extent. I'm trying to explore the areas of Libertarianism and Anarchy a little more thoroughly. No one normal accomplished anything meaningful in this world. |
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7/31/2012 4:36:15 PM Posted: 5 years ago Also what kind and size anarchy are we talking about?
Is it by the American understanding with no goverment or a more European understanding as a society that don't use force or authority to enforce laws? Does it need to be nation wide? What about smaller anarchistic groups? |
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7/31/2012 4:37:01 PM Posted: 5 years ago I don't really know... lol. I'm not so skilled with political philosophy.
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7/31/2012 4:37:16 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:36:15 PM, OllerupMand wrote: No government in the form of a state meaning all people are responsible for themselves without any kind of organized state or laws etc. No one normal accomplished anything meaningful in this world. |
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7/31/2012 4:39:00 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:37:16 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:36:15 PM, OllerupMand wrote: Well, no organized state. There can definitely be laws in the forms of common principles/rules. It's not about reciprocation, it's just all about me, a sycophantic, prophetic, Socratic junkie wannabe. - The 1975, "The Sound" |
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7/31/2012 4:41:24 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:39:00 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:37:16 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:36:15 PM, OllerupMand wrote: But that can only be enforced by the people on an individual basis. No one normal accomplished anything meaningful in this world. |
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7/31/2012 4:42:27 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:41:24 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:39:00 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:37:16 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:36:15 PM, OllerupMand wrote: Well, they can be enforced by multicentric arbitration and private security firms. It's not about reciprocation, it's just all about me, a sycophantic, prophetic, Socratic junkie wannabe. - The 1975, "The Sound" |
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7/31/2012 4:43:40 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:42:27 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:41:24 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:39:00 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:37:16 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:36:15 PM, OllerupMand wrote: But if you have any organization enforcing laws, isn't that government? Also, it gives the power of the enforcers to interpret the laws and if there is no true government won't these firms have the power to abuse their power? No one normal accomplished anything meaningful in this world. |
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7/31/2012 4:47:08 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:42:27 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:41:24 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:39:00 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:37:16 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:36:15 PM, OllerupMand wrote: I don't see why you want to bring in private security firms O.o Do we have private property in this anarchy? |
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7/31/2012 4:47:43 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:43:40 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:42:27 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:41:24 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:39:00 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:37:16 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:36:15 PM, OllerupMand wrote: Well, by laws, it depends on what anarchy you're talking about. However, generally speaking, the NAP is the only principle enforced, along with contract violations, unless you're in a say, ansoc society in which the voluntary contract of put work in, get resources out from the community pool is violated. It's not about reciprocation, it's just all about me, a sycophantic, prophetic, Socratic junkie wannabe. - The 1975, "The Sound" |
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7/31/2012 4:47:56 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:47:08 PM, OllerupMand wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:42:27 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:41:24 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:39:00 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:37:16 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:36:15 PM, OllerupMand wrote: Yes we would. No one normal accomplished anything meaningful in this world. |
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7/31/2012 4:50:25 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:47:08 PM, OllerupMand wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:42:27 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:41:24 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:39:00 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:37:16 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:36:15 PM, OllerupMand wrote: Absolutely. All property in a voluntaryist anarchy is private property: whether it be the property voluntarily obtained by an individual, or the one voluntarily obtained and shared by a group. It's not about reciprocation, it's just all about me, a sycophantic, prophetic, Socratic junkie wannabe. - The 1975, "The Sound" |
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7/31/2012 4:53:04 PM Posted: 5 years ago Funny. I would belive that if you have private property, anarchy is only a small step away from being a dictatorship.
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7/31/2012 4:54:46 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:53:04 PM, OllerupMand wrote: Not if it's all voluntarily transacted. And when it's breached: in comes the multicentric arbitration. It's not about reciprocation, it's just all about me, a sycophantic, prophetic, Socratic junkie wannabe. - The 1975, "The Sound" |
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7/31/2012 5:00:55 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:54:46 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:53:04 PM, OllerupMand wrote: How would you enforce it? |
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7/31/2012 5:03:20 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 4:54:46 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:53:04 PM, OllerupMand wrote: Won't that break down into a populist government? No one normal accomplished anything meaningful in this world. |
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7/31/2012 5:03:55 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 5:00:55 PM, OllerupMand wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:54:46 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:53:04 PM, OllerupMand wrote: What I just said. Private security to prevent breaches, and private, multicentric arbitration to arbitrate after a breach. It's not about reciprocation, it's just all about me, a sycophantic, prophetic, Socratic junkie wannabe. - The 1975, "The Sound" |
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7/31/2012 5:07:20 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 5:03:55 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 5:00:55 PM, OllerupMand wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:54:46 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:53:04 PM, OllerupMand wrote: I'm still skeptical on how this would work. No one normal accomplished anything meaningful in this world. |
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7/31/2012 5:08:26 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 5:03:55 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 5:00:55 PM, OllerupMand wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:54:46 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:53:04 PM, OllerupMand wrote: But what if the guy who breach owns the Private security? It is not that I don't belive in Anarchy. I have seen different forms and kinds of anarchy work. The American take on it is just rather foreign. |
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7/31/2012 5:09:59 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 5:07:20 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 5:03:55 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 5:00:55 PM, OllerupMand wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:54:46 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:53:04 PM, OllerupMand wrote: Well, again: anarchism is such a completely different way of life than what we have now that it's near impossible to accurately imagine. Also, once again, I don't think that one must prove every little aspect of anarchistic life to validate the political philosophy. It's not about reciprocation, it's just all about me, a sycophantic, prophetic, Socratic junkie wannabe. - The 1975, "The Sound" |
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7/31/2012 5:11:54 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 5:09:59 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 5:07:20 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:At 7/31/2012 5:03:55 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 5:00:55 PM, OllerupMand wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:54:46 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:At 7/31/2012 4:53:04 PM, OllerupMand wrote: I agree on that last part. However, I'm a believer that no matter what, even if we had an anarchy, it would eventually form into some sort of government. People love power. People love structure. People group together. These three things will always result in government of some kind. No one normal accomplished anything meaningful in this world. |
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7/31/2012 5:11:54 PM Posted: 5 years ago Depending on how your multicentric arbitration is, there it is also open for the possibility of bribe and corruption.
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7/31/2012 5:22:28 PM Posted: 5 years ago At 7/31/2012 5:11:54 PM, OllerupMand wrote: And? There's bribery and corruption every day in monocentric governments. The difference is that they are a) involuntary, the only option. It's not about reciprocation, it's just all about me, a sycophantic, prophetic, Socratic junkie wannabe. - The 1975, "The Sound" |