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8/4/2012 7:21:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Yep. I'm politically undecided for the first time. I fear anarchism may have been a phase for me. D:
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8/4/2012 7:22:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:21:09 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I fear anarchism may have been a phase for me. D:
Just like it has been anytime it was practically applied.
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8/4/2012 7:31:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:22:36 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:21:09 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I fear anarchism may have been a phase for me. D:
Just like it has been anytime it was practically applied.

All human systems have been a phase.
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8/4/2012 7:32:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:26:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Try Socialism. It's working out well for me.

Yup, socialism. It has failed everywhere it has been tried.
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8/4/2012 7:36:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:31:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:22:36 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:21:09 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I fear anarchism may have been a phase for me. D:
Just like it has been anytime it was practically applied.

All human systems have been a phase.
Systems that have worked well (i.e., by establishing their purposes) have been able to last in long periods, and in several periods too. Democracy has been going on-and-off everywhere in the world for a long while; anarchy has not. Even a religious system like the Islamic Law was able to be applied for consecutive centuries, and despite change of constitutions in many lands, it has prevailed again often enough.

This has never been the case for anarchy.
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8/4/2012 7:44:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:32:39 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:26:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Try Socialism. It's working out well for me.

Yup, socialism. It has failed everywhere it has been tried.

Actually, socialism is working out very well in our business. So take that. :D
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8/4/2012 7:47:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:26:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Try Socialism. It's working out well for me.

That's funny, I always thought you were a conservative libertarian. I mean, I saw your ideology, but I kind of thought it was a joke.
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8/4/2012 7:49:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:29:04 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
What are your core values?

Base your political views off of those values.

Well, CP, that's what I have done. And those core values haven't changed really AT ALL. However, Doubt has reared its ugly head in a pretty strong way this time.
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8/4/2012 7:51:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:32:39 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:26:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Try Socialism. It's working out well for me.

Yup, socialism. It has failed everywhere it has been tried.

Besides in Scandinavia. It has been a resounding success there.

But I would say follow your core values, like Conservative Politico said.

Conservative worldview:

Democracy is about liberty, individual responsibility, and self reliance. The conservative free market is a Laissez Faire economy where gov't action is non-existent.

Progressive worldview:

Democracy is about empathy and responsibility. Citizens help each other become productive citizens, allowing them to fulfill their dreams. Individual rights are to be protected and equal opportunity provided so that people have the freedom to pursue their dreams in the Capitalist, liberal market.

---Many people are biconceptuals, meaning they believe in parts of both systems depending on the issues. For example, Al Gore was partially conservative, because he believed in having a border fence (I believe he did).
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8/4/2012 7:53:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:47:02 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:26:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Try Socialism. It's working out well for me.

That's funny, I always thought you were a conservative libertarian. I mean, I saw your ideology, but I kind of thought it was a joke.

Same here. I think by Socialism he supports voluntary cooperatives that compete in the free market. There are some of them already in the USA. Basically, all the workers vote on the decisions of the company and get equal pay (usually). I support socialism in this way, but not state socialism, just voluntary.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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8/4/2012 7:53:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:47:02 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:26:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Try Socialism. It's working out well for me.

That's funny, I always thought you were a conservative libertarian. I mean, I saw your ideology, but I kind of thought it was a joke.

It is a joke. I picked something where I would be ranked in the top 10.

I'm the 8th best socialist on the site.
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8/4/2012 7:55:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:51:40 PM, Contra wrote:
Besides in Scandinavia. It has been a resounding success there.
No, it has not. Socialist policies in any of these countries have generally brought failures.

Don't say socialism brought the prosperity in Scandinavia. It's nonsensical.
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8/4/2012 7:55:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:51:40 PM, Contra wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:32:39 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:26:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Try Socialism. It's working out well for me.

Yup, socialism. It has failed everywhere it has been tried.

Besides in Scandinavia. It has been a resounding success there.

But I would say follow your core values, like Conservative Politico said.

Conservative worldview:

Democracy is about liberty, individual responsibility, and self reliance. The conservative free market is a Laissez Faire economy where gov't action is non-existent.

Progressive worldview:

Democracy is about empathy and responsibility. Citizens help each other become productive citizens, allowing them to fulfill their dreams. Individual rights are to be protected and equal opportunity provided so that people have the freedom to pursue their dreams in the Capitalist, liberal market.

---Many people are biconceptuals, meaning they believe in parts of both systems depending on the issues. For example, Al Gore was partially conservative, because he believed in having a border fence (I believe he did).

Again, I KNOW that political beliefs should be based off personal values.

It's just that the justification of the State, etc. are issues that have finally made me doubt my political beliefs to pure indecision.
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8/4/2012 8:18:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It's just that the justification of the State, etc. are issues that have finally made me doubt my political beliefs to pure indecision.

What changed your mind?
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8/4/2012 8:26:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:29:04 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
What are your core values?

Base your political views off of those values.

^ this
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8/4/2012 8:31:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:55:50 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:51:40 PM, Contra wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:32:39 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:26:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Try Socialism. It's working out well for me.

Yup, socialism. It has failed everywhere it has been tried.

Besides in Scandinavia. It has been a resounding success there.

But I would say follow your core values, like Conservative Politico said.

Conservative worldview:

Democracy is about liberty, individual responsibility, and self reliance. The conservative free market is a Laissez Faire economy where gov't action is non-existent.

Progressive worldview:

Democracy is about empathy and responsibility. Citizens help each other become productive citizens, allowing them to fulfill their dreams. Individual rights are to be protected and equal opportunity provided so that people have the freedom to pursue their dreams in the Capitalist, liberal market.

---Many people are biconceptuals, meaning they believe in parts of both systems depending on the issues. For example, Al Gore was partially conservative, because he believed in having a border fence (I believe he did).

Again, I KNOW that political beliefs should be based off personal values.

It's just that the justification of the State, etc. are issues that have finally made me doubt my political beliefs to pure indecision.

So then move a little and settle with extreme libertarianism.
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8/4/2012 8:33:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:36:18 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:31:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:22:36 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:21:09 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I fear anarchism may have been a phase for me. D:
Just like it has been anytime it was practically applied.

All human systems have been a phase.
Systems that have worked well (i.e., by establishing their purposes) have been able to last in long periods, and in several periods too. Democracy has been going on-and-off everywhere in the world for a long while; anarchy has not. Even a religious system like the Islamic Law was able to be applied for consecutive centuries, and despite change of constitutions in many lands, it has prevailed again often enough.

This has never been the case for anarchy.

Democracy never existed for the vast majority of human existence.

Most of the time we've been in tribes which, a matter of fact, resemble anarchy.

Second most, we've been under monarchy.

You really aren't making any point at all. Zero.
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8/4/2012 9:23:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 8:33:29 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Democracy never existed for the vast majority of human existence.
Not a good argument. We don't know for sure when exactly humans were even capable of establishing political systems. From the times we have recorded the established political systems in most societies, they've been different to anarchy.

Most of the time we've been in tribes which, a matter of fact, resemble anarchy.
And tribes had what, complete absence of law? Corporate-organized societies? No, none of these. They had rulers and rules, enforced accordingly to their customs.

Second most, we've been under monarchy.
Irrelevant. What counts is *when* a political system emerged and *how well-established* it has been throughout its emergence. Democracy has been well-established. Totalitarianism has been well-established. Anarchy has not. Not since the emergence of known political systems or anything of the like.
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8/4/2012 10:53:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 8:33:29 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:36:18 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:31:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:22:36 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:21:09 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
I fear anarchism may have been a phase for me. D:
Just like it has been anytime it was practically applied.

All human systems have been a phase.
Systems that have worked well (i.e., by establishing their purposes) have been able to last in long periods, and in several periods too. Democracy has been going on-and-off everywhere in the world for a long while; anarchy has not. Even a religious system like the Islamic Law was able to be applied for consecutive centuries, and despite change of constitutions in many lands, it has prevailed again often enough.

This has never been the case for anarchy.

Democracy never existed for the vast majority of human existence.

Most of the time we've been in tribes which, a matter of fact, resemble anarchy.

Second most, we've been under monarchy.

You really aren't making any point at all. Zero.

For most of history people have used pen and paper to record things. Computers never existed for the vast majority of human existence.

Obviously, we need to back to pen and paper for everything.
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8/5/2012 12:29:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:32:39 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:26:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Try Socialism. It's working out well for me.

Yup, socialism. It has failed everywhere it has been tried.

Sweden.

Now STFU.
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8/5/2012 12:33:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/5/2012 12:29:55 AM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:32:39 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:26:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Try Socialism. It's working out well for me.

Yup, socialism. It has failed everywhere it has been tried.

Sweden.

Now STFU.

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8/5/2012 12:53:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/5/2012 12:33:50 AM, MrBrooks wrote:
At 8/5/2012 12:29:55 AM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:32:39 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:26:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Try Socialism. It's working out well for me.

Yup, socialism. It has failed everywhere it has been tried.

Sweden.

Now STFU.

http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com...

I will use source senses...

http://www.forbes.com...
http://www.verumserum.com...
http://socialismdoesntwork.com...
http://freedomandprosperity.org...

And too lazy too continue
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8/5/2012 1:08:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
The 20th Century was all about trying socialism and seeing it fail, well documented in Heaven On Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism by Joshua Muravchik
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8/5/2012 1:20:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/4/2012 7:29:04 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
What are your core values?

Unfortunately I don't have any of those.

Base your political views off of those values.

Oh.. well that would explain why I am apathetic.
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8/5/2012 1:21:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/5/2012 1:20:55 AM, YYW wrote:
At 8/4/2012 7:29:04 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
What are your core values?

Unfortunately I don't have any of those.

Base your political views off of those values.

Oh.. well that would explain why I am apathetic.

TaDa!
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8/5/2012 1:32:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/5/2012 1:08:15 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
The 20th Century was all about trying socialism and seeing it fail, well documented in Heaven On Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism by Joshua Muravchik

Seems like the 21st Century will have its fair share of socialist experiments as well.