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8/9/2012 12:02:05 PM
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If someone ever throws around the argument "We shouldnt tax the rich, they use their wealth to create more jobs" politely show them this link and tell them they are full of sh*t :)

http://finance.yahoo.com...
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8/9/2012 12:22:20 PM
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Only a liberal could think that the way to get businesses to start hiring, spending, and reinvesting is to take money away from them...
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8/9/2012 12:30:33 PM
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At 8/9/2012 12:02:05 PM, imabench wrote:
If someone ever throws around the argument "We shouldnt tax the rich, they use their wealth to create more jobs" politely show them this link and tell them they are full of sh*t :)

http://finance.yahoo.com...

You wouldn't be hiring either if you faced the impending threat of Obamacare implementation.
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8/9/2012 12:31:55 PM
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LOL! The job creators aren't the super-rich 1% who are the CEOs of High Finance. The job creators are the small business owners who are in the 1%, who don't and can't hoard their cash. Thank you, come again.
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8/9/2012 9:29:03 PM
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At 8/9/2012 12:22:20 PM, JamesMadison wrote:
Only a liberal could think that the way to get businesses to start hiring, spending, and reinvesting is to take money away from them...

Only a conservative could think that the rich 1% are job creators where in realty jobs are created from small business owners
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8/9/2012 9:31:39 PM
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At 8/9/2012 9:29:03 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:22:20 PM, JamesMadison wrote:
Only a liberal could think that the way to get businesses to start hiring, spending, and reinvesting is to take money away from them...

Only a conservative could think that the rich 1% are job creators where in realty jobs are created from small business owners

Both are.

More so for the small business owners, but the 1% create more jobs per I would bet than the average small business man.
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8/9/2012 9:31:53 PM
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At 8/9/2012 12:31:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
LOL! The job creators aren't the super-rich 1% who are the CEOs of High Finance. The job creators are the small business owners who are in the 1%, who don't and can't hoard their cash. Thank you, come again.

Point proven.

Wait how is a small business owner in the top 1%?
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8/9/2012 9:33:07 PM
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At 8/9/2012 12:02:05 PM, imabench wrote:
If someone ever throws around the argument "We shouldnt tax the rich, they use their wealth to create more jobs" politely show them this link and tell them they are full of sh*t :)

http://finance.yahoo.com...

You wouldn't hire either if...

-you need to read 1000s of pages of regulations
-ObamaCare is on its way
-taxes are expected to rise
-national debt is increasing
-uncertianty is high
-unemoloyment predictions predict 9%

Basically:

You wouldn't hire either if liberal economic policies was the norm...
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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8/9/2012 9:34:53 PM
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Business owners have a lack of confidence regarding the "fiscal cliff" in early 2013 that might come.

This, and the generally weak demand of the economy is why job growth is slow.

Taxing the rich wouldn't do much, unless it was used in areas where it would create jobs (infrastructure investment for example). But the wealthy do have a role when it comes to job creation in investing privately in capital accumulation and investing in technology. They have little incentive to do so when there is low confidence and weak demand (the latter making such private investments not as worthwhile).

That's why we need to stimulate the economy by rebuilding America, and expressing our proposals clearly with America so that confidence rises and there you go, greater job growth, and a growing economy. And consumers paying back their debts hopefully.
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8/9/2012 9:37:00 PM
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At 8/9/2012 12:02:05 PM, imabench wrote:
If someone ever throws around the argument "We shouldnt tax the rich, they use their wealth to create more jobs" politely show them this link and tell them they are full of sh*t :)

http://finance.yahoo.com...

Try citing a non-biased source. MSNBC are more biased than Fox News, and that's saying something.
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8/9/2012 9:40:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 9:31:53 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:31:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
LOL! The job creators aren't the super-rich 1% who are the CEOs of High Finance. The job creators are the small business owners who are in the 1%, who don't and can't hoard their cash. Thank you, come again.

Point proven.

Wait how is a small business owner in the top 1%?

As the years go by their salary can reach over 100,000$
http://smallbusiness.chron.com...

And in some industries they get over 600,000 dollars.
http://smallbiztrends.com...
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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8/9/2012 9:41:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 9:33:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:02:05 PM, imabench wrote:
If someone ever throws around the argument "We shouldnt tax the rich, they use their wealth to create more jobs" politely show them this link and tell them they are full of sh*t :)

http://finance.yahoo.com...

You wouldn't hire either if...

-you need to read 1000s of pages of regulations

Because there haven't always been thousands of regulations since forever and because companies don't hire dozens of tax lawyers hit for this type of thing......

-ObamaCare is on its way

*fake horror face*

-taxes are expected to rise

Like they have in the past under Obama? Oh wait that's right.....

-national debt is increasing

And when the flying f*ck has that ever NOT been the case?

-uncertianty is high

And temporary

-unemoloyment predictions predict 9%

Based on what mr source bomber?

Basically:

You wouldn't hire either if liberal economic policies was the norm...

Dumbass
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8/9/2012 9:41:45 PM
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At 8/9/2012 12:30:33 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:02:05 PM, imabench wrote:
If someone ever throws around the argument "We shouldnt tax the rich, they use their wealth to create more jobs" politely show them this link and tell them they are full of sh*t :)

http://finance.yahoo.com...

You wouldn't be hiring either if you faced the impending threat of Obamacare implementation.

I know, a $0.14 raise in the cost of your pizza is obviously a huge burden that makes providing heath care for employees fiscally impossible. How could any company afford such massive expenses?
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8/9/2012 9:44:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 9:40:08 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/9/2012 9:31:53 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:31:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
LOL! The job creators aren't the super-rich 1% who are the CEOs of High Finance. The job creators are the small business owners who are in the 1%, who don't and can't hoard their cash. Thank you, come again.

Point proven.

Wait how is a small business owner in the top 1%?

As the years go by their salary can reach over 100,000$
http://smallbusiness.chron.com...

And in some industries they get over 600,000 dollars.
http://smallbiztrends.com...

16k, the article refers to THE top Tippetty top 1% who could probably buy the state of New York
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8/9/2012 9:44:09 PM
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At 8/9/2012 9:33:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:02:05 PM, imabench wrote:
If someone ever throws around the argument "We shouldnt tax the rich, they use their wealth to create more jobs" politely show them this link and tell them they are full of sh*t :)

http://finance.yahoo.com...

You wouldn't hire either if...

-you need to read 1000s of pages of regulations
-ObamaCare is on its way
-taxes are expected to rise
-national debt is increasing
-uncertianty is high
-unemoloyment predictions predict 9%

Basically:

You wouldn't hire either if liberal economic policies was the norm...

Right, the 4+ million jobs created in the last few years are myths and the current 3.76 million job openings are fake as well, right?
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8/9/2012 9:45:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 9:41:45 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:30:33 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:02:05 PM, imabench wrote:
If someone ever throws around the argument "We shouldnt tax the rich, they use their wealth to create more jobs" politely show them this link and tell them they are full of sh*t :)

http://finance.yahoo.com...

You wouldn't be hiring either if you faced the impending threat of Obamacare implementation.

I know, a $0.14 raise in the cost of your pizza is obviously a huge burden that makes providing heath care for employees fiscally impossible. How could any company afford such massive expenses?

^^^^^
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8/9/2012 9:48:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 9:44:09 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/9/2012 9:40:08 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/9/2012 9:31:53 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:31:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
LOL! The job creators aren't the super-rich 1% who are the CEOs of High Finance. The job creators are the small business owners who are in the 1%, who don't and can't hoard their cash. Thank you, come again.

Point proven.

Wait how is a small business owner in the top 1%?

As the years go by their salary can reach over 100,000$
http://smallbusiness.chron.com...

And in some industries they get over 600,000 dollars.
http://smallbiztrends.com...

16k, the article refers to THE top Tippetty top 1% who could probably buy the state of New York

Personally, I think there needs to be another bracket, so we can get past this.

Liberals want to raise taxes on people making millions and millions of dollars a year, and conservatives say you can't because that would raise taxes on small mom and pop businesses. Create another bracket and separate them. I mean, do liberals really think that someone making $260,000 should be paying the same rate on their next $20 as someone making $26,000,000 on their next $20?
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8/9/2012 9:53:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 9:48:34 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/9/2012 9:44:09 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/9/2012 9:40:08 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/9/2012 9:31:53 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:31:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
LOL! The job creators aren't the super-rich 1% who are the CEOs of High Finance. The job creators are the small business owners who are in the 1%, who don't and can't hoard their cash. Thank you, come again.

Point proven.

Wait how is a small business owner in the top 1%?

As the years go by their salary can reach over 100,000$
http://smallbusiness.chron.com...

And in some industries they get over 600,000 dollars.
http://smallbiztrends.com...

16k, the article refers to THE top Tippetty top 1% who could probably buy the state of New York

Personally, I think there needs to be another bracket, so we can get past this.

Liberals want to raise taxes on people making millions and millions of dollars a year, and conservatives say you can't because that would raise taxes on small mom and pop businesses. Create another bracket and separate them. I mean, do liberals really think that someone making $260,000 should be paying the same rate on their next $20 as someone making $26,000,000 on their next $20?

Good point......

Wait, there's no way in hell republicans would ever let thy happen since theyre all slaves to what's his name who made them sign pledges or something
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8/9/2012 9:54:22 PM
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At 8/9/2012 9:37:00 PM, DanT wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:02:05 PM, imabench wrote:
If someone ever throws around the argument "We shouldnt tax the rich, they use their wealth to create more jobs" politely show them this link and tell them they are full of sh*t :)

http://finance.yahoo.com...

Try citing a non-biased source. MSNBC are more biased than Fox News, and that's saying something.

You hate any source that I use though...
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8/9/2012 9:55:34 PM
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At 8/9/2012 9:53:20 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/9/2012 9:48:34 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/9/2012 9:44:09 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/9/2012 9:40:08 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/9/2012 9:31:53 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:31:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
LOL! The job creators aren't the super-rich 1% who are the CEOs of High Finance. The job creators are the small business owners who are in the 1%, who don't and can't hoard their cash. Thank you, come again.

Point proven.

Wait how is a small business owner in the top 1%?

As the years go by their salary can reach over 100,000$
http://smallbusiness.chron.com...

And in some industries they get over 600,000 dollars.
http://smallbiztrends.com...

16k, the article refers to THE top Tippetty top 1% who could probably buy the state of New York

Personally, I think there needs to be another bracket, so we can get past this.

Liberals want to raise taxes on people making millions and millions of dollars a year, and conservatives say you can't because that would raise taxes on small mom and pop businesses. Create another bracket and separate them. I mean, do liberals really think that someone making $260,000 should be paying the same rate on their next $20 as someone making $26,000,000 on their next $20?

Good point......

Wait, there's no way in hell republicans would ever let thy happen since theyre all slaves to what's his name who made them sign pledges or something

True, but it makes it so they cannot hide behind small business any more.
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8/9/2012 11:48:33 PM
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At 8/9/2012 12:31:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
LOL! The job creators aren't the super-rich 1% who are the CEOs of High Finance. The job creators are the small business owners who are in the 1%, who don't and can't hoard their cash. Thank you, come again.

Lol, small business owners in the 1%? I was unaware.
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8/9/2012 11:51:46 PM
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At 8/9/2012 11:48:33 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:31:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
LOL! The job creators aren't the super-rich 1% who are the CEOs of High Finance. The job creators are the small business owners who are in the 1%, who don't and can't hoard their cash. Thank you, come again.

Lol, small business owners in the 1%? I was unaware.

The top 1% are making, I believe, something like $350k a year. Many small businesses (employing 10 - 50 people) can be making $350 - $500k a year.
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8/9/2012 11:52:04 PM
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At 8/9/2012 9:31:53 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:31:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
LOL! The job creators aren't the super-rich 1% who are the CEOs of High Finance. The job creators are the small business owners who are in the 1%, who don't and can't hoard their cash. Thank you, come again.

Point proven.

Wait how is a small business owner in the top 1%?

1% is something like 250+ thousand, which a lot of successful small business owners easily achieve.
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8/9/2012 11:53:13 PM
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At 8/9/2012 11:51:46 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/9/2012 11:48:33 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:31:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
LOL! The job creators aren't the super-rich 1% who are the CEOs of High Finance. The job creators are the small business owners who are in the 1%, who don't and can't hoard their cash. Thank you, come again.

Lol, small business owners in the 1%? I was unaware.

The top 1% are making, I believe, something like $350k a year. Many small businesses (employing 10 - 50 people) can be making $350 - $500k a year.

This. ^
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8/10/2012 12:02:06 AM
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At 8/9/2012 11:51:46 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/9/2012 11:48:33 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:31:55 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
LOL! The job creators aren't the super-rich 1% who are the CEOs of High Finance. The job creators are the small business owners who are in the 1%, who don't and can't hoard their cash. Thank you, come again.

Lol, small business owners in the 1%? I was unaware.

The top 1% are making, I believe, something like $350k a year. Many small businesses (employing 10 - 50 people) can be making $350 - $500k a year.

I had no idea. I guess I tend to see the other end of the spectrum, since my mom runs a small business (and works in a cubicle on the side) and makes considerably less than that. She works like hell, doesn't sleep much... but I think we all know that in some cases, no amount of hard work pays off. I'm not trying to play a guilt card or anything (not that you guys would buy it) but I'm explaining what informed my assumption about small business
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8/10/2012 12:05:58 AM
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Face it, "job creators" aren't going to invest in higher technology and use capital accumulation unless the economy is good and they have confidence. This requires transparency and investing in America -- rebuilding our infrastructure, improving education, more free trade, simplifying regulations, etc.
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8/10/2012 12:07:28 AM
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At 8/10/2012 12:05:58 AM, Contra wrote:
Face it, "job creators" aren't going to invest in higher technology and use capital accumulation unless the economy is good and they have confidence. This requires transparency and investing in America -- rebuilding our infrastructure, improving education, more free trade, simplifying regulations, etc.

Holy sh!t I agree with Contra.

Anyways, what he said.
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8/10/2012 12:16:28 AM
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At 8/10/2012 12:05:58 AM, Contra wrote:
Face it, "job creators" aren't going to invest in higher technology and use capital accumulation unless the economy is good and they have confidence. This requires transparency and investing in America -- rebuilding our infrastructure, improving education, more free trade, simplifying regulations, etc.

I hate it when people say "rebuilding infrastructure". We did not just come out of a nuclear war; there are no shambles or ruins to rebuild. What you should actually say is investing in more infrastructure.
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8/10/2012 12:28:43 AM
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At 8/10/2012 12:16:28 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/10/2012 12:05:58 AM, Contra wrote:
Face it, "job creators" aren't going to invest in higher technology and use capital accumulation unless the economy is good and they have confidence. This requires transparency and investing in America -- rebuilding our infrastructure, improving education, more free trade, simplifying regulations, etc.

I hate it when people say "rebuilding infrastructure". We did not just come out of a nuclear war; there are no shambles or ruins to rebuild. What you should actually say is investing in more infrastructure.

infrastructure wares out over time, and as such needs to be rebuilt (ideally, before it fails).
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