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8/9/2012 3:14:22 PM
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I've been thinking about the death penalty, and I'm not sure that I agree with it. I used to because I wanted to get rid of cold criminals, but now I realize that rehabilitation might be more humane and much more effective. What are some good arguments for the death penalty? Please don't talk about vengeance.
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8/9/2012 3:17:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:14:22 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I've been thinking about the death penalty, and I'm not sure that I agree with it. I used to because I wanted to get rid of cold criminals, but now I realize that rehabilitation might be more humane and much more effective. What are some good arguments for the death penalty? Please don't talk about vengeance.

The whole purpose of the prison system is rehabilitation, not punishment. Some people cannot be rehabilitated; in those cases the death penalty is a viable option.

Too many people seem to think prison, and execution should be used to punish crimes. The purpose of our criminal system is to rehabilitate, not to punish. It's to correct their behavior, not to make ourselves feel better.
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8/9/2012 3:20:21 PM
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At 8/9/2012 3:17:47 PM, DanT wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:14:22 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I've been thinking about the death penalty, and I'm not sure that I agree with it. I used to because I wanted to get rid of cold criminals, but now I realize that rehabilitation might be more humane and much more effective. What are some good arguments for the death penalty? Please don't talk about vengeance.

The whole purpose of the prison system is rehabilitation, not punishment.
I agree. Even when we punish we try to rehabilitate.
Some people cannot be rehabilitated; in those cases the death penalty is a viable option.

Why?

Suppose someone is a serial thief. He steals again and again and again and doesn't obey the law. Why is it justified to kill him?

Also, what is the threshold for rehabilitation? How do we know whether or not someone can be rehabilitated?

Our current system does not focus on rehabilitation; it centers on punishment.
Too many people seem to think prison, and execution should be used to punish crimes. The purpose of our criminal system is to rehabilitate, not to punish. It's to correct their behavior, not to make ourselves feel better.
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8/9/2012 3:22:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:14:22 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I've been thinking about the death penalty, and I'm not sure that I agree with it. I used to because I wanted to get rid of cold criminals, but now I realize that rehabilitation might be more humane and much more effective. What are some good arguments for the death penalty? Please don't talk about vengeance.:

Whether you're on Death Row or are serving a Life sentence, you evidently did some exceptionally heinous things in order to get there. What good does it do to "rehabilitate" a prisoner who is only allowed out of their cell for 1 hour a day for the remainder of their life, especially when their only human interaction is limited to prison guards?
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8/9/2012 3:24:01 PM
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Suppose someone is a serial thief. He steals again and again and again and doesn't obey the law. Why is it justified to kill him?:

The death penalty in the United States is reserved only for capital murder, so the question is immaterial.
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HelterSkelter
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8/9/2012 3:24:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:22:10 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:14:22 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I've been thinking about the death penalty, and I'm not sure that I agree with it. I used to because I wanted to get rid of cold criminals, but now I realize that rehabilitation might be more humane and much more effective. What are some good arguments for the death penalty? Please don't talk about vengeance.:

Whether you're on Death Row or are serving a Life sentence, you evidently did some exceptionally heinous things in order to get there. What good does it do to "rehabilitate" a prisoner who is only allowed out of their cell for 1 hour a day for the remainder of their life, especially when their only human interaction is limited to prison guards?

Well, for one thing if we kill someone we are just as bad as they are. Also, you are assuming the status quo. We don't currently rehabilitate prisoners, but we should do it and we can do it.
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8/9/2012 3:25:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:24:01 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Suppose someone is a serial thief. He steals again and again and again and doesn't obey the law. Why is it justified to kill him?:

The death penalty in the United States is reserved only for capital murder, so the question is immaterial.

Why can't murderers be rehabilitated?
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8/9/2012 3:29:42 PM
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Balstoy Prison is a great example of a prison that rehabilitates murders and rapists. The recidivism rate is less than 1/3 of our recidivism rate.
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8/9/2012 3:31:05 PM
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The main problem I see with the death penalty is that we are imperfect humans. This means that it is likely that the death penalty will not be applied fairly, i.e. blacks are more likely to get the death penalty than whites. The other thing is that people can, and have been wrongly convicted. Once you kill someone, you can't undo it.
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8/9/2012 3:31:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:17:47 PM, DanT wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:14:22 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I've been thinking about the death penalty, and I'm not sure that I agree with it. I used to because I wanted to get rid of cold criminals, but now I realize that rehabilitation might be more humane and much more effective. What are some good arguments for the death penalty? Please don't talk about vengeance.

The whole purpose of the prison system is rehabilitation, not punishment. Some people cannot be rehabilitated; in those cases the death penalty is a viable option.

Too many people seem to think prison, and execution should be used to punish crimes. The purpose of our criminal system is to rehabilitate, not to punish. It's to correct their behavior, not to make ourselves feel better.

I amy be wrong here. I am often wrong, but it doesn't seem like the American prison system is that much about rehabilitation. Sentences are long. Most if not all of them are carried out in closed prisons. There is bery little "normalization" if the purpose is rehabilitation.
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8/9/2012 3:35:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:14:22 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I've been thinking about the death penalty, and I'm not sure that I agree with it. I used to because I wanted to get rid of cold criminals, but now I realize that rehabilitation might be more humane and much more effective. What are some good arguments for the death penalty? Please don't talk about vengeance.

(I feel) the death penalty is good for people that we will be unlikely to rehabilitate. People who can never be safely reintegrated into society might as well be given the death penalty.

In general, rehabilitation is a preferable system.
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8/9/2012 3:37:07 PM
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I agree that the American prison system is flawed, and some of the drug laws are draconian. It definitely needs to be changed, as it is a blemish on the reputation of our society and immoral. While I think the death penalty should remain a decision made by states, I feel that it should always be on the table for military trials, because of the nature of the military and the necessity for good order and discipline.

I personally would not want to have the death penalty in my state, because courts make mistakes sometimes, and a mistake here will cost a man or woman their life.
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8/9/2012 3:44:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:24:49 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:22:10 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:14:22 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I've been thinking about the death penalty, and I'm not sure that I agree with it. I used to because I wanted to get rid of cold criminals, but now I realize that rehabilitation might be more humane and much more effective. What are some good arguments for the death penalty? Please don't talk about vengeance.:

Whether you're on Death Row or are serving a Life sentence, you evidently did some exceptionally heinous things in order to get there. What good does it do to "rehabilitate" a prisoner who is only allowed out of their cell for 1 hour a day for the remainder of their life, especially when their only human interaction is limited to prison guards?

Well, for one thing if we kill someone we are just as bad as they are. Also, you are assuming the status quo. We don't currently rehabilitate prisoners, but we should do it and we can do it.:

Please note that I'm not arguing for/against the death penalty, only pointing out that rehabilitating death row/Life inmates is a fruitless campaign. Moreover, the prison system does rehabilitate paroleable offenders. And that's the whole point. You rehabilitate people that have a high liklihood of reemerging into society. With the really dangerous one's, you simply contain them so they can't hurt anyone else.
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8/9/2012 3:47:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:25:10 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:24:01 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Suppose someone is a serial thief. He steals again and again and again and doesn't obey the law. Why is it justified to kill him?:

The death penalty in the United States is reserved only for capital murder, so the question is immaterial.

Why can't murderers be rehabilitated?:

Because murderers, in general, don't ever get out of prison. What are you rehabilitating them for, when the only real purpose of rehabilitation is making bad people play nice in the future?
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8/9/2012 3:51:57 PM
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At 8/9/2012 3:29:42 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
Balstoy Prison is a great example of a prison that rehabilitates murders and rapists. The recidivism rate is less than 1/3 of our recidivism rate.:

Some people cannot be rehabilitated. You can't "rehabilitate" a homicidal sociopath no matter how much therapy you provide for them.

As with most things, the nature of the crime committed should dictate the appropriate response. Sending a serial killer or serial rapist back out on to the street makes a mockery of the victims and makes you complicit in the deaths/rapes that are almost certain to occur with or without rehabilitation.
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8/9/2012 3:54:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:31:05 PM, Magicr wrote:
The main problem I see with the death penalty is that we are imperfect humans. This means that it is likely that the death penalty will not be applied fairly, i.e. blacks are more likely to get the death penalty than whites. The other thing is that people can, and have been wrongly convicted. Once you kill someone, you can't undo it.:

If this many people were exonerated while on Death Row, I can only imagine how many innocent men and women have died.

http://www.innocenceproject.org...
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8/9/2012 3:56:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:25:10 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
Why can't murderers be rehabilitated?
There is no guarantee that they will not commit the crime once again. While we can release criminals like thieves, we do it on the basis that even if they commit the crime again, it won't be permanent. That means whatever property they take away or damage isn't going to do permanent damage on anyone's well-being. Murderers are a different case.

You also have to explain why they should be rehabilitated. What does it achieve for them and the society?
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8/9/2012 3:57:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:51:57 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:29:42 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
Balstoy Prison is a great example of a prison that rehabilitates murders and rapists. The recidivism rate is less than 1/3 of our recidivism rate.:

Some people cannot be rehabilitated. You can't "rehabilitate" a homicidal sociopath no matter how much therapy you provide for them.

Sociopaths have mental disorders and thus are more properly relegated to mental facilities.
As with most things, the nature of the crime committed should dictate the appropriate response. Sending a serial killer or serial rapist back out on to the street makes a mockery of the victims and makes you complicit in the deaths/rapes that are almost certain to occur with or without rehabilitation.

The point is that rehabilitating them reduces the chances that they will offend. Balstoy Prison rehabilitates the worst people in Norwegian society (people we keep in jail or kill) and they have significantly lower recidivism rates than the least-worst individuals in our jails.
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8/9/2012 4:00:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:47:35 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:25:10 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:24:01 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Suppose someone is a serial thief. He steals again and again and again and doesn't obey the law. Why is it justified to kill him?:

The death penalty in the United States is reserved only for capital murder, so the question is immaterial.

Why can't murderers be rehabilitated?:

Because murderers, in general, don't ever get out of prison. What are you rehabilitating them for, when the only real purpose of rehabilitation is making bad people play nice in the future?

Like I said, you are presuming the status quo. We don't currently let them out, but we could.

Also, the most hardened criminals commit crime in prisons. Rehabilitation would keep our prisons safer.
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8/9/2012 4:01:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 3:56:49 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:25:10 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
Why can't murderers be rehabilitated?
There is no guarantee that they will not commit the crime once again.
There's no guarantee that anybody will not commit a crime. That's not a reason to jail everyone.
While we can release criminals like thieves, we do it on the basis that even if they commit the crime again, it won't be permanent. That means whatever property they take away or damage isn't going to do permanent damage on anyone's well-being. Murderers are a different case.

See below.
You also have to explain why they should be rehabilitated. What does it achieve for them and the society?
Rehabilitation is better for society (lower crimes rates) and for the victims. Restorative justice programs actually help victims cope with crimes more easily than retributive justice programs.
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8/9/2012 4:03:05 PM
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At 8/9/2012 3:31:38 PM, OllerupMand wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:17:47 PM, DanT wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:14:22 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I've been thinking about the death penalty, and I'm not sure that I agree with it. I used to because I wanted to get rid of cold criminals, but now I realize that rehabilitation might be more humane and much more effective. What are some good arguments for the death penalty? Please don't talk about vengeance.

The whole purpose of the prison system is rehabilitation, not punishment. Some people cannot be rehabilitated; in those cases the death penalty is a viable option.

Too many people seem to think prison, and execution should be used to punish crimes. The purpose of our criminal system is to rehabilitate, not to punish. It's to correct their behavior, not to make ourselves feel better.

I amy be wrong here. I am often wrong, but it doesn't seem like the American prison system is that much about rehabilitation. Sentences are long. Most if not all of them are carried out in closed prisons. There is bery little "normalization" if the purpose is rehabilitation.

There is a reason it's called a correctional facility. Originally it was bout rehabilitation, but we shifted away from rehabilitation and toward punishment.
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8/9/2012 4:05:08 PM
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At 8/9/2012 3:57:58 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:51:57 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:29:42 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
Balstoy Prison is a great example of a prison that rehabilitates murders and rapists. The recidivism rate is less than 1/3 of our recidivism rate.:

Some people cannot be rehabilitated. You can't "rehabilitate" a homicidal sociopath no matter how much therapy you provide for them.

Sociopaths have mental disorders and thus are more properly relegated to mental facilities.
As with most things, the nature of the crime committed should dictate the appropriate response. Sending a serial killer or serial rapist back out on to the street makes a mockery of the victims and makes you complicit in the deaths/rapes that are almost certain to occur with or without rehabilitation.

The point is that rehabilitating them reduces the chances that they will offend. Balstoy Prison rehabilitates the worst people in Norwegian society (people we keep in jail or kill) and they have significantly lower recidivism rates than the least-worst individuals in our jails.

You can't compare Balstøy in Norway with an American prison. The laws, rules and mentality are just to different.
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8/9/2012 4:06:29 PM
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Sociopaths have mental disorders and thus are more properly relegated to mental facilities.:

They will never relegate someone like BTK or the Green River Killer to a mental hospital for security reasons. Whether they're sick or not doesn't diminish how dangerous or homicidal they are.

The point is that rehabilitating them reduces the chances that they will offend. Balstoy Prison rehabilitates the worst people in Norwegian society (people we keep in jail or kill) and they have significantly lower recidivism rates than the least-worst individuals in our jails.:

Norwegian prisons also pale in comparison to US prisons, which manufacture violence. I agree that rehabilitation should be offered to people with sentences that will likely have them leave prison, just don't see the point for people with Life sentences.
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8/9/2012 4:07:29 PM
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At 8/9/2012 4:01:39 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
There's no guarantee that anybody will not commit a crime. That's not a reason to jail everyone.
Did you read my response in full Ma'am? I distinguished between committing one crime to committing another, far more serious one. Murder is permanent and vastly different to many other crimes. If we make a mistake with a murderer, there's a chance he'll do permanent damage to innocent life once more. If we make a mistake with a thief, the best he can do is do rather temporary damage, which is to take away property from others.

Rehabilitation is better for society (lower crimes rates) and for the victims. Restorative justice programs actually help victims cope with crimes more easily than retributive justice programs.
It's not always better, that's for sure. And not every criminal deserves it even if we know for a certain that he can be rehabilitated. Someone like Anders Breivik don't deserve to live. Take away the lives of many, and yours is free to be taken with them.
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8/9/2012 4:09:10 PM
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At 8/9/2012 3:20:21 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:17:47 PM, DanT wrote:
At 8/9/2012 3:14:22 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I've been thinking about the death penalty, and I'm not sure that I agree with it. I used to because I wanted to get rid of cold criminals, but now I realize that rehabilitation might be more humane and much more effective. What are some good arguments for the death penalty? Please don't talk about vengeance.

The whole purpose of the prison system is rehabilitation, not punishment.
I agree. Even when we punish we try to rehabilitate.
Some people cannot be rehabilitated; in those cases the death penalty is a viable option.

Why?

Suppose someone is a serial thief. He steals again and again and again and doesn't obey the law. Why is it justified to kill him?

Because the purpose of the state is to protect the life, liberty, and property of it's citizens. If someone is repetitively stealing other people's property, and there is no hope of rehabilitation, than we only have 2 options; execution, or exile. In today's world exile is not a very likely option.

Also, what is the threshold for rehabilitation? How do we know whether or not someone can be rehabilitated?

It would be up to a jury and a judge to determine whether or not rehabilitation is possible. Case law would likely create the determining guidelines.
Our current system does not focus on rehabilitation; it centers on punishment.

I should have been more clear, our original system focused on rehabilitation.
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8/9/2012 4:10:07 PM
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At 8/9/2012 4:07:29 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/9/2012 4:01:39 PM, HelterSkelter wrote:
There's no guarantee that anybody will not commit a crime. That's not a reason to jail everyone.
Did you read my response in full Ma'am? I distinguished between committing one crime to committing another, far more serious one. Murder is permanent and vastly different to many other crimes. If we make a mistake with a murderer, there's a chance he'll do permanent damage to innocent life once more. If we make a mistake with a thief, the best he can do is do rather temporary damage, which is to take away property from others.

Rehabilitation is better for society (lower crimes rates) and for the victims. Restorative justice programs actually help victims cope with crimes more easily than retributive justice programs.
It's not always better, that's for sure. And not every criminal deserves it even if we know for a certain that he can be rehabilitated. Someone like Anders Breivik don't deserve to live. Take away the lives of many, and yours is free to be taken with them.

Actuelly I think your wrong there. Breivik don't deserve to die. He desrve to be cured for his mental illnes. Realise what he have done and then live the rest of his life with that knowledge.
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8/9/2012 4:12:22 PM
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Like I said, you are presuming the status quo. We don't currently let them out, but we could.

Also, the most hardened criminals commit crime in prisons. Rehabilitation would keep our prisons safer.:

So, you would want serial killers to go back out into the killing field's? F*ck the families of those slain, I take it?

You do realize that serial killer's are very cunning people who would say whatever they think you want to hear if it gets them their way. What assurance do you have that the rehabilitative process would work?

If you were the warden and you let a dangerous child rapist out of prison and that inmate raped another little kid, I'd seek to have you put away for life.
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8/9/2012 4:13:30 PM
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At 8/9/2012 4:06:29 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Sociopaths have mental disorders and thus are more properly relegated to mental facilities.:

They will never relegate someone like BTK or the Green River Killer to a mental hospital for security reasons. Whether they're sick or not doesn't diminish how dangerous or homicidal they are.

The point is that rehabilitating them reduces the chances that they will offend. Balstoy Prison rehabilitates the worst people in Norwegian society (people we keep in jail or kill) and they have significantly lower recidivism rates than the least-worst individuals in our jails.:

Norwegian prisons also pale in comparison to US prisons, which manufacture violence. I agree that rehabilitation should be offered to people with sentences that will likely have them leave prison, just don't see the point for people with Life sentences.

Life sentences are cruel and unusual; not to mention a drain on the tax payer. Due to life sentences we are constantly building more prisons, and increasing the funding for prison. Instead of a life-sentence, they should get death. They also should not wait around for ever, for the sentence to be carried out.
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8/9/2012 4:17:48 PM
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At 8/9/2012 4:13:30 PM, DanT wrote:
At 8/9/2012 4:06:29 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Sociopaths have mental disorders and thus are more properly relegated to mental facilities.:

They will never relegate someone like BTK or the Green River Killer to a mental hospital for security reasons. Whether they're sick or not doesn't diminish how dangerous or homicidal they are.

The point is that rehabilitating them reduces the chances that they will offend. Balstoy Prison rehabilitates the worst people in Norwegian society (people we keep in jail or kill) and they have significantly lower recidivism rates than the least-worst individuals in our jails.:

Norwegian prisons also pale in comparison to US prisons, which manufacture violence. I agree that rehabilitation should be offered to people with sentences that will likely have them leave prison, just don't see the point for people with Life sentences.

Life sentences are cruel and unusual; not to mention a drain on the tax payer. Due to life sentences we are constantly building more prisons, and increasing the funding for prison. Instead of a life-sentence, they should get death. They also should not wait around for ever, for the sentence to be carried out.

The death penalty is actually a bigger drain on the taxpayer when you take into account appeals and that entire process. If your first priority was reducing the strain on the taxpayer then I think anti-DP is the position to be.
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8/9/2012 4:18:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 4:10:07 PM, OllerupMand wrote:
Actuelly I think your wrong there. Breivik don't deserve to die. He desrve to be cured for his mental illnes. Realise what he have done and then live the rest of his life with that knowledge.
First, it's very hard to tell whether he has any severe mental illness or only minor issues. Reports show that he doesn't have what has been claimed by people who hold your opinion. Second, even if he is released, you understand that it would leave a hugely negative example for others to follow, right? Many murderers are able to cheat their way through the court system, and end up being regarded as mentally ill only to escape punishment. Lastly, explain what benefit the society gets from releasing a murderer like Breivik. He can only pretend to be very ill, because there's no certainty that he actually is.