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8/11/2012 6:13:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Gary Johnson Gets 19% In LASPAC Nationwide Poll

We just conducted a nationwide telephone poll of registered voters. Here's what the poll sounded like:

The results:
Barack Obama 56%
Gary Johnson 19%
Undecided/neither 25%

http://garyjohnsongrassrootsblog.blogspot.com...
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8/11/2012 9:43:02 PM
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If he got on the debates that would be cool to watch.
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8/11/2012 10:28:06 PM
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I find 3rd parties a little annoying. They know they're not going to win, and they know that few people care, so why clog the arteries of the democratic process, soliciting votes away from the actual contenders.
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8/11/2012 10:34:10 PM
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At 8/11/2012 10:28:06 PM, 000ike wrote:
I find 3rd parties a little annoying. They know they're not going to win, and they know that few people care, so why clog the arteries of the democratic process, soliciting votes away from the actual contenders.

to give candidates like bush a fighting chance
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8/12/2012 12:04:12 AM
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At 8/11/2012 10:28:06 PM, 000ike wrote:
I find 3rd parties a little annoying. They know they're not going to win, and they know that few people care, so why clog the arteries of the democratic process, soliciting votes away from the actual contenders.

Why do they do it? To ruin elections.

Gary Johnson, for example (I have said this many times), should have stayed republican and built upon Ron Paul's base next election.
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8/12/2012 12:04:40 AM
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19% in a head to head matchup is nothing to brag about......
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8/12/2012 12:22:47 AM
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1) The Libertarian Party is running because it's basically a way for sane ideas to become popularized. The Libertarian Party is the largest 3rd party in the United States, which is a platform for their views.

2) That phone poll is ridiculous. They should have lain out ten major policies and asked which candidate the person preferred based on that. Name recognition doesn't genuinely show what people agree with. It's like "which do you prefer, Colgate toothpaste or Tom's toothpaste?" Of course the results would be skewed toward COlgate because it's well known, and Tom's toothpaste sounds like it was manufactured in a meth lab. The point is name recognition may be one of the biggest factors affecting an election, but it does not indicate which candidate's policies a person agrees with the most. That's why I liked the data that showed Gary Johnson would win if the race was based solely on the issues :)

3) Fcuk you republicrats :)
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8/12/2012 12:30:38 AM
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At 8/12/2012 12:22:47 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
1) The Libertarian Party is running because it's basically a way for sane ideas to become popularized. The Libertarian Party is the largest 3rd party in the United States, which is a platform for their views.

Lets be realistic here, the reason there is support for the libertarian party isnt because their views are accepted and widespread, the reason they are gaining support is because people are just fed up with Dems and Reps
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8/12/2012 10:43:43 AM
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At 8/12/2012 12:30:38 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/12/2012 12:22:47 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
1) The Libertarian Party is running because it's basically a way for sane ideas to become popularized. The Libertarian Party is the largest 3rd party in the United States, which is a platform for their views.

Lets be realistic here, the reason there is support for the libertarian party isnt because their views are accepted and widespread, the reason they are gaining support is because people are just fed up with Dems and Reps

I agree with you and its not like the people are fed up with Democrats with Republicans. Instead of going for the Libertarian Party, Libertarian candidates should run Republican to make their ideas more widespread and seriously, what is wrong with Libertarians in the GOP? Ron and Rand are in it, so to was Gary.
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8/12/2012 10:47:05 AM
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At 8/11/2012 10:28:06 PM, 000ike wrote:
I find 3rd parties a little annoying. They know they're not going to win, and they know that few people care, so why clog the arteries of the democratic process, soliciting votes away from the actual contenders.

Ah, but that very view is what self perpetuates the notion of nonwinning. They remain unable to win because people continue to think that. A republic is not bound to a set number of parties--in fact, multiparty politics is the best way for people to support their own beliefs in government. Get over it.
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8/12/2012 10:56:14 AM
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I agree with you and its not like the people are fed up with Democrats with Republicans. Instead of going for the Libertarian Party, Libertarian candidates should run Republican to make their ideas more widespread and seriously, what is wrong with Libertarians in the GOP? Ron and Rand are in it, so to was Gary.

Libertarian Republicans are doing exactly what you are asking them to do. In fact, part of the Libertarian Party's strategy is to get get Libertarians on the Republican ticket, and the Republican Party has cooperated with the Libertarian Party to achieve this. Still, it is only beneficial for the Libertarian Party to attempt to place candidates in office under the Libertarian banner, especially with mischaracterization of the Republican Party by liberals in recent years.
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8/12/2012 11:01:54 AM
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At 8/12/2012 10:47:05 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 8/11/2012 10:28:06 PM, 000ike wrote:
I find 3rd parties a little annoying. They know they're not going to win, and they know that few people care, so why clog the arteries of the democratic process, soliciting votes away from the actual contenders.

Ah, but that very view is what self perpetuates the notion of nonwinning. They remain unable to win because people continue to think that. A republic is not bound to a set number of parties--in fact, multiparty politics is the best way for people to support their own beliefs in government. Get over it.

Heres the issue with third parties, they can only be unique from the other parties to a limited degree, because the more stances you take on issue the more you resemble one of the two major parties. Major third parties thus focus on a limited number of issues and have no stance or opinion on much else, which makes them unique but limits how many people they can appeal to.

Any major third party that focuses on only a few key issues that gets widespread support sooner or later just gets absorbed by one of the two major parties. The Progressive party in the early 1900's was later absorbed by the Democratic Party, Tge whig party later defected to the Republican party, and the list goes on.

Point is, The Libertarian party will sooner or later either be absorbed by the Republican party (most likely since their most well known candidates are in the GOP) , or die from lack of support (least likely since they are the third largest now)

Its only a question of time now
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8/12/2012 12:43:54 PM
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LASPAC is libertarian... self selection bias

Also for a poll to be accurate it must be replicated. This was not replicated. Lets look at nonbiassed polling shal we?

Obama & romney tied at 46%, that leaves 8% for all other third parties (11:39 MT, will change at 1pm eastern time as they have daily polling) http://www.gallup.com...
This means he is under 8%

Rasmussen polling says 46% romney 44% obama. 5% are undecided, 5% support a third party. http://www.rasmussenreports.com...
This means he is under 5%. (other third party canidates likely take a few percent)

Obama 48, romney 43 says RCP. 9% is either undecided or third party. This means Gary is under 9%. http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Now, tell me, how viable is your poll now?
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8/12/2012 3:01:40 PM
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At 8/11/2012 10:28:06 PM, 000ike wrote:
I find 3rd parties a little annoying. They know they're not going to win, and they know that few people care, so why clog the arteries of the democratic process, soliciting votes away from the actual contenders.:

Because actual contenders are typical, politician scumbag's who care way more about their own legacy than the United States.
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8/12/2012 4:09:27 PM
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At 8/12/2012 10:56:14 AM, MrBrooks wrote:
I agree with you and its not like the people are fed up with Democrats with Republicans. Instead of going for the Libertarian Party, Libertarian candidates should run Republican to make their ideas more widespread and seriously, what is wrong with Libertarians in the GOP? Ron and Rand are in it, so to was Gary.

Libertarian Republicans are doing exactly what you are asking them to do. In fact, part of the Libertarian Party's strategy is to get get Libertarians on the Republican ticket, and the Republican Party has cooperated with the Libertarian Party to achieve this. Still, it is only beneficial for the Libertarian Party to attempt to place candidates in office under the Libertarian banner, especially with mischaracterization of the Republican Party by liberals in recent years.

As religious extremists?
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8/12/2012 4:15:45 PM
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At 8/11/2012 6:13:14 PM, Microsuck wrote:
Gary Johnson Gets 19% In LASPAC Nationwide Poll

We just conducted a nationwide telephone poll of registered voters. Here's what the poll sounded like:




The results:
Barack Obama 56%
Gary Johnson 19%
Undecided/neither 25%


http://garyjohnsongrassrootsblog.blogspot.com...

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8/12/2012 7:35:29 PM
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At 8/12/2012 4:09:27 PM, Contra wrote:
At 8/12/2012 10:56:14 AM, MrBrooks wrote:
I agree with you and its not like the people are fed up with Democrats with Republicans. Instead of going for the Libertarian Party, Libertarian candidates should run Republican to make their ideas more widespread and seriously, what is wrong with Libertarians in the GOP? Ron and Rand are in it, so to was Gary.

Libertarian Republicans are doing exactly what you are asking them to do. In fact, part of the Libertarian Party's strategy is to get get Libertarians on the Republican ticket, and the Republican Party has cooperated with the Libertarian Party to achieve this. Still, it is only beneficial for the Libertarian Party to attempt to place candidates in office under the Libertarian banner, especially with mischaracterization of the Republican Party by liberals in recent years.

As religious extremists?

thats one of seven that came up in my mind
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8/12/2012 7:35:55 PM
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At 8/12/2012 12:43:54 PM, 16kadams wrote:
LASPAC is libertarian... self selection bias

^ f*ck me, hes right!!!
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8/13/2012 12:16:48 AM
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At 8/12/2012 7:35:55 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/12/2012 12:43:54 PM, 16kadams wrote:
LASPAC is libertarian... self selection bias

^ f*ck me, hes right!!!

You said that... :O
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