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So the U.S Government hath Collapsed!

MrBrooks
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8/11/2012 8:11:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Chill, put your guns away and stop panicking; it hasn't really collapsed. If it did collapse tomorrow though, and you were given the decision on what kind of government would replace it, what kind would you want?
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8/11/2012 8:28:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/11/2012 8:11:34 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
Chill, put your guns away and stop panicking; it hasn't really collapsed. If it did collapse tomorrow though, and you were given the decision on what kind of government would replace it, what kind would you want?

Same as we have/had, but reformed. No socialist programs, more freedom, less taxes, keep the taxes low and simple. And laws that the average American can read without problem. That's the only way to do it. If I earn money, I want to keep as much as I can (I'll pay taxes for programs such as police, firemen, minimal amount of politicians possible). And, we need to limit government regulatory agencies.

In other words, I don't want a different type of government, I want a reformed version of our current system.
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8/11/2012 8:29:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/11/2012 8:11:34 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
Chill, put your guns away and stop panicking; it hasn't really collapsed. If it did collapse tomorrow though, and you were given the decision on what kind of government would replace it, what kind would you want?

the same one right now minus all the idiots
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8/11/2012 8:40:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
A very libertarian one. Pretty much eliminate all federal agencies, cut military by 50%, privatize Medicare and Social Security, lower taxes, balance budget, etc...
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8/11/2012 8:42:49 PM
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An absolute monarchy with me as king.
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8/11/2012 8:52:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/11/2012 8:11:34 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
Chill, put your guns away and stop panicking; it hasn't really collapsed. If it did collapse tomorrow though, and you were given the decision on what kind of government would replace it, what kind would you want?

Either a Confederation of Republics, or a Federation of Republics, with a more constrained federal government.
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8/11/2012 9:00:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/11/2012 8:42:49 PM, thett3 wrote:
An absolute monarchy with me as king.

So you would be the only sovereign, with absolute authority? That's very narcissistic.
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8/11/2012 9:35:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
A reformed government that is immune from the power of lobbyists. Since there is no such thing though, I would wish for a gov't that:

- Massively simplified regulation to expand economic freedom
- Massively simplified government
- Free trade agreements worldwide
- Military that has a 20% cut in budget

- People are free to do what they want, as long as it doesn't harm others (so drugs, prostitution, etc. is legal)
- Fair and simple taxes
- Improved healthcare
- A 21st century infrastructure
- A vibrant, high standards school system with progressive school vouchers

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8/11/2012 9:42:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/11/2012 8:11:34 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
Chill, put your guns away and stop panicking; it hasn't really collapsed. If it did collapse tomorrow though, and you were given the decision on what kind of government would replace it, what kind would you want?

Constitutional monarchy, or Oligarchical republic. One of the two.
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8/11/2012 9:58:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/11/2012 9:42:39 PM, YYW wrote:
At 8/11/2012 8:11:34 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
Chill, put your guns away and stop panicking; it hasn't really collapsed. If it did collapse tomorrow though, and you were given the decision on what kind of government would replace it, what kind would you want?

Constitutional monarchy, or Oligarchical republic. One of the two.

Let's make this fun; before you can institute your new form of government, you have to end the government of the person that posted before you. Follow my lead.

@YYW

You successfully institute a constitutional monarchy, and the first monarch, King John Smith, rules over the American Empire in a competent fashion. After a ten year reign, King Smith dies and Congress decides that the youngest son, Prince Michael Smith, should replace him. The oldest brother decides to raise an army in Utah and begins a bloody civil war, which tears the country apart and leads to the collapse of all governmental institutions.

To this day brigands swearing loyalty to the Smith family still wander the wastelands of Utah.

My government:

I would draft a new constitution that guaranteed the natural rights in the constitution, but also legislated the total separation of state and economy. I would give the Senate the power to select the President of the United States, and give the State Senates the power to select who they want to send to the U.S Senate. Other than that I'd keep things about the same.

So in short I would create a true constitutional republic.
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8/11/2012 10:07:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/11/2012 9:58:47 PM, MrBrooks wrote:
Let's make this fun; before you can institute your new form of government, you have to end the government of the person that posted before you. Follow my lead.

@YYW

You successfully institute a constitutional monarchy, and the first monarch, King John Smith, rules over the American Empire in a competent fashion. After a ten year reign, King Smith dies and Congress decides that the youngest son, Prince Michael Smith, should replace him. The oldest brother decides to raise an army in Utah and begins a bloody civil war, which tears the country apart and leads to the collapse of all governmental institutions.

To this day brigands swearing loyalty to the Smith family still wander the wastelands of Utah.

My government:

I would draft a new constitution that guaranteed the natural rights in the constitution, but also legislated the total separation of state and economy. I would give the Senate the power to select the President of the United States, and give the State Senates the power to select who they want to send to the U.S Senate. Other than that I'd keep things about the same.

So in short I would create a true constitutional republic.

The senate picks you as president, however your position that people on welfare shouldnt vote triggers a massive uprising among those on welfare and they tear the new country to shreds. For a period of time the only law in the land came in the form of motorcycle gangs that claimed towns as their own, and after a while people decided simply to go back to the way things were.

My government, everything is exactly the same as the one we have now, but with less idiots
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