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Microsuck
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8/14/2012 6:41:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Gary Johnson has been an outspoken advocate for efficient government, balanced budgets, rational drug policy reform, protection of civil liberties, comprehensive tax reform, and personal freedom. As Governor of New Mexico, Johnson was known for his common sense business approach to governing. He eliminated New Mexico's budget deficit, cut the rate of growth in state government in half, and privatized half of the state prisons."

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com...

Johnson has the best track record out of all the candidates running in 2012. My question is what are your thoughts and opinions on his record?
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8/14/2012 6:51:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 6:41:55 PM, Microsuck wrote:
"Gary Johnson has been an outspoken advocate for efficient government, balanced budgets, rational drug policy reform, protection of civil liberties, comprehensive tax reform, and personal freedom. As Governor of New Mexico, Johnson was known for his common sense business approach to governing. He eliminated New Mexico's budget deficit, cut the rate of growth in state government in half, and privatized half of the state prisons."

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com...

Johnson has the best track record out of all the candidates running in 2012. My question is what are your thoughts and opinions on his record?

They are better than Romney's Bain record and a whole lot better than Obama's presidential record.

Here is Obama's record:

http://www.debate.org...
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8/14/2012 7:56:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I think you're going to need some more objective sources of information...
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8/14/2012 8:14:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 6:51:03 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 8/14/2012 6:41:55 PM, Microsuck wrote:
"Gary Johnson has been an outspoken advocate for efficient government, balanced budgets, rational drug policy reform, protection of civil liberties, comprehensive tax reform, and personal freedom. As Governor of New Mexico, Johnson was known for his common sense business approach to governing. He eliminated New Mexico's budget deficit, cut the rate of growth in state government in half, and privatized half of the state prisons."

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com...

Johnson has the best track record out of all the candidates running in 2012. My question is what are your thoughts and opinions on his record?

They are better than Romney's Bain record and a whole lot better than Obama's presidential record.

Here is Obama's record:

http://www.debate.org...

I like the fact that you don't include the jobs trend from where he started and now, the condition of the auto companies, the national deficit, energy production, education assistance, and the huge increase in the stock market (Dow Jones, Nasdaq, S&P 500, all of them).
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8/14/2012 8:18:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 8:14:45 PM, Contra wrote:
At 8/14/2012 6:51:03 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 8/14/2012 6:41:55 PM, Microsuck wrote:
"Gary Johnson has been an outspoken advocate for efficient government, balanced budgets, rational drug policy reform, protection of civil liberties, comprehensive tax reform, and personal freedom. As Governor of New Mexico, Johnson was known for his common sense business approach to governing. He eliminated New Mexico's budget deficit, cut the rate of growth in state government in half, and privatized half of the state prisons."

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com...

Johnson has the best track record out of all the candidates running in 2012. My question is what are your thoughts and opinions on his record?

They are better than Romney's Bain record and a whole lot better than Obama's presidential record.

Here is Obama's record:

http://www.debate.org...

I like the fact that you don't include the jobs trend from where he started and now, the condition of the auto companies, the national deficit, energy production, education assistance, and the huge increase in the stock market (Dow Jones, Nasdaq, S&P 500, all of them).

Jobs trend up... energy production was due to bush... there is a lag time between allowing oil, thats why it starts now... In recovery growth should be faster... meaning something is slowing it down... the new policies come to mind.
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8/14/2012 8:24:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 8:18:08 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 8:14:45 PM, Contra wrote:
At 8/14/2012 6:51:03 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 8/14/2012 6:41:55 PM, Microsuck wrote:
"Gary Johnson has been an outspoken advocate for efficient government, balanced budgets, rational drug policy reform, protection of civil liberties, comprehensive tax reform, and personal freedom. As Governor of New Mexico, Johnson was known for his common sense business approach to governing. He eliminated New Mexico's budget deficit, cut the rate of growth in state government in half, and privatized half of the state prisons."

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com...

Johnson has the best track record out of all the candidates running in 2012. My question is what are your thoughts and opinions on his record?

They are better than Romney's Bain record and a whole lot better than Obama's presidential record.

Here is Obama's record:

http://www.debate.org...

I like the fact that you don't include the jobs trend from where he started and now, the condition of the auto companies, the national deficit, energy production, education assistance, and the huge increase in the stock market (Dow Jones, Nasdaq, S&P 500, all of them).

Jobs trend up... energy production was due to bush... there is a lag time between allowing oil, thats why it starts now... In recovery growth should be faster... meaning something is slowing it down... the new policies come to mind.

The clean energy production has doubled under Obama. The new regulations are a cause of uncertainty which has been harmful.
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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8/14/2012 10:11:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Johnson's record and qualifications are irrelevant to who you should vote for this election. There. I said it.
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8/14/2012 10:50:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Im sure that Gary Johnson's website would say that Gary Johnson has the best record

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8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 8:24:30 PM, Contra wrote:
At 8/14/2012 8:18:08 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 8:14:45 PM, Contra wrote:
At 8/14/2012 6:51:03 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 8/14/2012 6:41:55 PM, Microsuck wrote:
"Gary Johnson has been an outspoken advocate for efficient government, balanced budgets, rational drug policy reform, protection of civil liberties, comprehensive tax reform, and personal freedom. As Governor of New Mexico, Johnson was known for his common sense business approach to governing. He eliminated New Mexico's budget deficit, cut the rate of growth in state government in half, and privatized half of the state prisons."

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com...

Johnson has the best track record out of all the candidates running in 2012. My question is what are your thoughts and opinions on his record?

They are better than Romney's Bain record and a whole lot better than Obama's presidential record.

Here is Obama's record:

http://www.debate.org...

I like the fact that you don't include the jobs trend from where he started and now, the condition of the auto companies, the national deficit, energy production, education assistance, and the huge increase in the stock market (Dow Jones, Nasdaq, S&P 500, all of them).

Jobs trend up... energy production was due to bush... there is a lag time between allowing oil, thats why it starts now... In recovery growth should be faster... meaning something is slowing it down... the new policies come to mind.

The clean energy production has doubled under Obama. The new regulations are a cause of uncertainty which has been harmful.

I believe clean energy is not practical, at the current time. I say we use more natural gas and switch to nuclear before we figure out how hydro, wind, and solar can be used effectively. At the current time I dont see how hydro will work within costs... Solar on a wide scale... or wind without taking up too much space, and the wind not blowing hard enough. Large batteries would be impractical, so another source would be needed, sun is not always out. Hydro is the only real good one, but its expensive and there is not enough rivers.

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.
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8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know
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8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.
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8/14/2012 11:21:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.

Lol no. Bad reasoning is bad. He is responsible for the proposals that he puts forth or is a large architect/proponent of (obamacare) or are extremely large as to solicit presidential approval. Otherwise, the actual decisions on whether to put the laws into place aren't made by him.
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8/14/2012 11:22:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.

Thats one of the dumbest things ive ever heard anyone say
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8/14/2012 11:23:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:21:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.

Lol no. Bad reasoning is bad. He is responsible for the proposals that he puts forth or is a large architect/proponent of (obamacare) or are extremely large as to solicit presidential approval. Otherwise, the actual decisions on whether to put the laws into place aren't made by him.

^^^^^^
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8/14/2012 11:25:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:22:46 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.

Thats one of the dumbest things ive ever heard anyone say

Regulations are controlled by the executive branch (some through congress too), however agencies such as the EPA are under his jurisdiction. This source, though bias, links many regulations directly to obama (with references to acedemic papers, however): http://www.thoughtsfromaconservativemom.com...
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8/14/2012 11:27:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:21:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.

Lol no. Bad reasoning is bad. He is responsible for the proposals that he puts forth or is a large architect/proponent of (obamacare) or are extremely large as to solicit presidential approval. Otherwise, the actual decisions on whether to put the laws into place aren't made by him.

Although I agree with this, he is indeed responsible for the EPA. And all those annoying agencies. He should put Ron Paul as the head of the EPA sir.
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8/14/2012 11:37:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:27:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:21:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.

Lol no. Bad reasoning is bad. He is responsible for the proposals that he puts forth or is a large architect/proponent of (obamacare) or are extremely large as to solicit presidential approval. Otherwise, the actual decisions on whether to put the laws into place aren't made by him.

Although I agree with this, he is indeed responsible for the EPA. And all those annoying agencies. He should put Ron Paul as the head of the EPA sir.
"Hello Dr. Paul"
"YOU'RE FIRED!!!"

correction: THAT is one of the dumbest things Ive ever heard anyone say
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8/14/2012 11:41:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:37:48 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:27:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:21:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.

Lol no. Bad reasoning is bad. He is responsible for the proposals that he puts forth or is a large architect/proponent of (obamacare) or are extremely large as to solicit presidential approval. Otherwise, the actual decisions on whether to put the laws into place aren't made by him.

Although I agree with this, he is indeed responsible for the EPA. And all those annoying agencies. He should put Ron Paul as the head of the EPA sir.
"Hello Dr. Paul"
"YOU'RE FIRED!!!"

correction: THAT is one of the dumbest things Ive ever heard anyone say

What? Getting rid of an agency that takes away property rights?
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8/14/2012 11:43:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:41:43 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:37:48 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:27:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:21:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.

Lol no. Bad reasoning is bad. He is responsible for the proposals that he puts forth or is a large architect/proponent of (obamacare) or are extremely large as to solicit presidential approval. Otherwise, the actual decisions on whether to put the laws into place aren't made by him.

Although I agree with this, he is indeed responsible for the EPA. And all those annoying agencies. He should put Ron Paul as the head of the EPA sir.
"Hello Dr. Paul"
"YOU'RE FIRED!!!"

correction: THAT is one of the dumbest things Ive ever heard anyone say

What? Getting rid of an agency that takes away property rights?

youre really not helping yourself out at this point
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8/14/2012 11:44:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:43:09 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:41:43 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:37:48 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:27:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:21:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.

Lol no. Bad reasoning is bad. He is responsible for the proposals that he puts forth or is a large architect/proponent of (obamacare) or are extremely large as to solicit presidential approval. Otherwise, the actual decisions on whether to put the laws into place aren't made by him.

Although I agree with this, he is indeed responsible for the EPA. And all those annoying agencies. He should put Ron Paul as the head of the EPA sir.
"Hello Dr. Paul"
"YOU'RE FIRED!!!"

correction: THAT is one of the dumbest things Ive ever heard anyone say

What? Getting rid of an agency that takes away property rights?

youre really not helping yourself out at this point

By supporting property rights?
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8/14/2012 11:47:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:44:03 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:43:09 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:41:43 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:37:48 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:27:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:21:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.

Lol no. Bad reasoning is bad. He is responsible for the proposals that he puts forth or is a large architect/proponent of (obamacare) or are extremely large as to solicit presidential approval. Otherwise, the actual decisions on whether to put the laws into place aren't made by him.

Although I agree with this, he is indeed responsible for the EPA. And all those annoying agencies. He should put Ron Paul as the head of the EPA sir.
"Hello Dr. Paul"
"YOU'RE FIRED!!!"

correction: THAT is one of the dumbest things Ive ever heard anyone say

What? Getting rid of an agency that takes away property rights?

youre really not helping yourself out at this point

By supporting property rights?

Dude, the entire existence of the US exists because of stolen property rights from the native Americans. How can you be critical of a government agency that violates property rights and not be critical of the entire f*cking government that did the same thing???
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8/14/2012 11:51:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:27:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:21:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.

Lol no. Bad reasoning is bad. He is responsible for the proposals that he puts forth or is a large architect/proponent of (obamacare) or are extremely large as to solicit presidential approval. Otherwise, the actual decisions on whether to put the laws into place aren't made by him.

Although I agree with this, he is indeed responsible for the EPA. And all those annoying agencies.

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8/14/2012 11:53:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Well yeah, almost every instance of major pollution can be traced to weakened property rights. But, that's really the government's fault as a whole. It's operation breaks the NAP and property rights on a daily basis.
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8/14/2012 11:54:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 11:47:20 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:44:03 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:43:09 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:41:43 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:37:48 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:27:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:21:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:18:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:17:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/14/2012 11:11:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:

Regulations from what? What is this? Obamacare? Other policies? What the ones in place already raise costs? Well... many of the new ones we can blame on Obama, and we can blame him for not getting rid of the old ones.

how about blaming Congress for some of these things since they put them there in the first place and didnt take them out either? Obama isnt the only one in DC who can make stuff happen you know

Obama has to sign them, therefore he is responsible for everything.

Lol no. Bad reasoning is bad. He is responsible for the proposals that he puts forth or is a large architect/proponent of (obamacare) or are extremely large as to solicit presidential approval. Otherwise, the actual decisions on whether to put the laws into place aren't made by him.

Although I agree with this, he is indeed responsible for the EPA. And all those annoying agencies. He should put Ron Paul as the head of the EPA sir.
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correction: THAT is one of the dumbest things Ive ever heard anyone say

What? Getting rid of an agency that takes away property rights?

youre really not helping yourself out at this point

By supporting property rights?

Dude, the entire existence of the US exists because of stolen property rights from the native Americans. How can you be critical of a government agency that violates property rights and not be critical of the entire f*cking government that did the same thing???

The reason they did that was for manifest destiny. I think we could have done it differently. Many Indians were friendly and could have lived alongside us. Only a few areas really needed what we did.

I am against what we did, we could have peacefully done it with the same results. But it would have taken longer.

I think if we got native permission we would have won. If the EPA gives me an option of watch out there's an owl, then it would not exist
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8/15/2012 6:31:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Lol no. Bad reasoning is bad. He is responsible for the proposals that he puts forth or is a large architect/proponent of (obamacare) or are extremely large as to solicit presidential approval. Otherwise, the actual decisions on whether to put the laws into place aren't made by him.

Gonna have to disagree with you on this one. If a bill reaches Obama's desk and he doesn't think it is a good bill, he has a responsibility to veto the bill. He isn't responsible for creating the bill, but he is responsible for the results of the bill and therefore it is his duty to veto those bills he disagrees with. A non-veto is executive consent.
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8/15/2012 10:04:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/15/2012 6:31:14 AM, MrBrooks wrote:
Lol no. Bad reasoning is bad. He is responsible for the proposals that he puts forth or is a large architect/proponent of (obamacare) or are extremely large as to solicit presidential approval. Otherwise, the actual decisions on whether to put the laws into place aren't made by him.

Gonna have to disagree with you on this one. If a bill reaches Obama's desk and he doesn't think it is a good bill, he has a responsibility to veto the bill. He isn't responsible for creating the bill, but he is responsible for the results of the bill and therefore it is his duty to veto those bills he disagrees with. A non-veto is executive consent.

You're not a Jeffersonian type then, who believes that the President should respect the authority of Congress?
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