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The Vice President is a useless position

chrumbelievable
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8/17/2012 1:53:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Today's DDO blog post (http://blog.debate.org...) by ConservativePolitico argues that the office of Vice President of the U.S. is ultimately a useless position. Unless the President dies, in which case the VP will inherit his Presidency, the VP plays virtually no role in the U.S. government. Therefore, he argues, we should not believe (or least care about) all the recent hype surrounding Republican VP nominee Paul Ryan.

What do you think? Can we forget about Ryan and Biden altogether? Or do VPs play a bigger part than ConservativePolitico argues?
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8/17/2012 2:01:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Picking your VP is a political move. The point is for presidential candidates to choose a teammate they think will help them appeal to a larger voting base. Obama picked Biden because of Biden's experience whereas Obama was considered very green. McCain picked Palin because she was a woman (to counteract Obama's blackness) and more socially conservative considering many Republicans though McCain was too moderate. In Romney's case, Ryan appeals to social conservatives AND is fictitiously portrayed in the media as a "fiscal conservative" which helps appeal to the Republican's Tea Party supporters. While he will have no real responsibilities, he serves as a pawn in the game of partisan politics. But yeah I guess it's just good to know who will succeed the President in case they die, I guess.
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8/17/2012 2:13:16 PM
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Being vice president usually sets up that person to run for president when the president's term ends. Al Gore ran for the Dem's in 2000, Bush HW following Reagan in 1988, Nixon was VP and eventually became president.

The Vice Presidential pick isnt just a political move for the present, its also a person that a political party could build themselves around when the next election comes.
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8/17/2012 2:17:43 PM
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That's true. That's why everyone was looking for Chris Christie to be Romney's VP. But either way, I think we can all see that it's not about the VP having actual power but rather serving as a figurehead for the party and its future.
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8/17/2012 2:32:57 PM
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The Presidency is a useless position: http://www.jamesaltucher.com...
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8/17/2012 3:21:05 PM
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I agree with others that it's a way of gaining high-profile experience without accidentally destroying a Federal Department.
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8/17/2012 5:43:30 PM
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the vice president isn't a useless position, 8 have become presidents.
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8/17/2012 6:28:21 PM
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At 8/17/2012 2:13:16 PM, imabench wrote:
Being vice president usually sets up that person to run for president when the president's term ends. Al Gore ran for the Dem's in 2000, Bush HW following Reagan in 1988, Nixon was VP and eventually became president.

The Vice Presidential pick isnt just a political move for the present, its also a person that a political party could build themselves around when the next election comes.

Al Gore cast the senate vote that allowed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 to be passed, which helped the budget deficit to go down.
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8/17/2012 7:16:27 PM
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At 8/17/2012 1:53:15 PM, chrumbelievable wrote:
Today's DDO blog post (http://blog.debate.org...) by ConservativePolitico argues that the office of Vice President of the U.S. is ultimately a useless position. Unless the President dies, in which case the VP will inherit his Presidency, the VP plays virtually no role in the U.S. government. Therefore, he argues, we should not believe (or least care about) all the recent hype surrounding Republican VP nominee Paul Ryan.

What do you think? Can we forget about Ryan and Biden altogether? Or do VPs play a bigger part than ConservativePolitico argues?

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8/17/2012 7:57:03 PM
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The VP is a bit like a glove the President can wear during foreign policy/domestic discussions so he can slap people around without leaving fingerprints. As a public office, the VP position when use can be considered a complement to the Presidential Bully Pulpit.

That's why VPs are commonly used as attack dogs. The President can push a negative message in the public discourse while letting the VP soak up any emotional/political backfire.

The double edged sword is, as Biden has so aptly demonstrated, that the VP's words can undermine the President's position inadvertently (gay marriage) or attract more negative attention than if nothing occurred (THEY GON' KEEP Y'ALL IN CHAINZ!).
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8/17/2012 7:58:30 PM
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President of the Senate.

Your move, CP.
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8/17/2012 8:10:01 PM
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At 8/17/2012 1:53:15 PM, chrumbelievable wrote:
The Vice President is a useless position

At 8/17/2012 2:32:57 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
The Presidency is a useless position

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8/17/2012 8:51:56 PM
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At 8/17/2012 7:58:30 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
President of the Senate.

Your move, CP.

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8/17/2012 10:30:19 PM
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Isn't the VP the president of the debate?
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8/18/2012 5:44:28 AM
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The VP is useless? I guess Dick Cheney didn't get the message.
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8/18/2012 5:55:40 AM
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At 8/18/2012 5:44:28 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
The VP is useless? I guess Dick Cheney didn't get the message.

You can do a-lot if the President supports you, but of whom isn't that true?
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8/18/2012 5:55:57 AM
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At 8/18/2012 5:55:40 AM, NixonianVolkswagen wrote:
At 8/18/2012 5:44:28 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
The VP is useless? I guess Dick Cheney didn't get the message.

You can do a-lot if the President supports you, but of whom isn't that true?

*for whom
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8/18/2012 7:46:47 AM
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The VP is as important as the President wants him to be. Cheney was important because Bush wanted him to be important.

I think Biden was picked as someone who would never pose a challenge to President Obama's ego. That sure worked.