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inferno
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8/20/2012 10:21:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I believe that most countries would feel the same way about Julian Assange concerning this serious matter. But in this case, you have a so called American Allie turned treasonous
traitor, and this can be a bit compromising indeed. What Assange did was
dangerous, but he also put his own life in danger in the process of exposing
not only our military, but the dark and damnable deeds down by those who have
sworn to protect. What do you think about this investigation.
Should the US denounce its witchhunt on Wikileaks and should Obama
back off this Man for good.

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8/20/2012 10:29:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/20/2012 10:21:55 AM, inferno wrote:
I believe that most countries would feel the same way about Julian Assange concerning this serious matter. But in this case, you have a so called American Allie turned treasonous
traitor, and this can be a bit compromising indeed. What Assange did was
dangerous, but he also put his own life in danger in the process of exposing
not only our military, but the dark and damnable deeds down by those who have
sworn to protect. What do you think about this investigation.
Should the US denounce its witchhunt on Wikileaks and should Obama
back off this Man for good.

http://blog.heritage.org...:

Assange only provided the medium in which to expose some atrocities committed by the American military. He's not beholden to the US military, and they have no authority over him. The US military should blame itself and use it as a lesson to tighten its encryption.
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inferno
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8/20/2012 10:30:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/20/2012 10:29:43 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/20/2012 10:21:55 AM, inferno wrote:
I believe that most countries would feel the same way about Julian Assange concerning this serious matter. But in this case, you have a so called American Allie turned treasonous
traitor, and this can be a bit compromising indeed. What Assange did was
dangerous, but he also put his own life in danger in the process of exposing
not only our military, but the dark and damnable deeds down by those who have
sworn to protect. What do you think about this investigation.
Should the US denounce its witchhunt on Wikileaks and should Obama
back off this Man for good.

http://blog.heritage.org...:

Assange only provided the medium in which to expose some atrocities committed by the American military. He's not beholden to the US military, and they have no authority over him. The US military should blame itself and use it as a lesson to tighten its encryption.

I agree. But some think he has done more damage than good.
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8/20/2012 10:31:16 AM
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Yes. People need to know what the military has been up to, other wise they'll keep happily throwing their tax dollars at it expecting it to 'keep them safe'.
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8/20/2012 10:31:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/20/2012 10:31:16 AM, Frederick53 wrote:
Yes. People need to know what the military has been up to, other wise they'll keep happily throwing their tax dollars at it expecting it to 'keep them safe'.

Are you a Conservative. Most of you are pro military no matter what.
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8/20/2012 11:09:59 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/20/2012 10:31:50 AM, inferno wrote:
At 8/20/2012 10:31:16 AM, Frederick53 wrote:
Yes. People need to know what the military has been up to, other wise they'll keep happily throwing their tax dollars at it expecting it to 'keep them safe'.

Are you a Conservative. Most of you are pro military no matter what.

I am a progressive liberal. I despise the conduct of the military and I think that it does much more harm than good. http://www.debate.org...
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8/20/2012 11:14:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/20/2012 11:09:59 AM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/20/2012 10:31:50 AM, inferno wrote:
At 8/20/2012 10:31:16 AM, Frederick53 wrote:
Yes. People need to know what the military has been up to, other wise they'll keep happily throwing their tax dollars at it expecting it to 'keep them safe'.

Are you a Conservative. Most of you are pro military no matter what.

I am a progressive liberal. I despise the conduct of the military and I think that it does much more harm than good. http://www.debate.org...

Yes, I agree. The military has been overtaken by socialist thugs and Right Wing Vigilantism. I could say much more about this issue, but it is the same old
same old.
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8/20/2012 11:25:34 AM
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Transparency is good. But when it comes to national security, I don't think we should risk that.
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8/20/2012 11:30:52 AM
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At 8/20/2012 11:25:34 AM, Contra wrote:
Transparency is good. But when it comes to national security, I don't think we should risk that.

Why is that Contra.
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8/20/2012 11:31:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/20/2012 11:25:34 AM, Contra wrote:
Transparency is good. But when it comes to national security, I don't think we should risk that.

The USA should thank Julian for exposing their security weaknesses.
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8/20/2012 11:44:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/20/2012 11:30:52 AM, inferno wrote:
At 8/20/2012 11:25:34 AM, Contra wrote:
Transparency is good. But when it comes to national security, I don't think we should risk that.

Why is that Contra.

Transparency leads to open government. Open government allows all citizens to know what their government is doing, and maximizes Democratic choice, and lets the people rule, a liberal democracy ensure, and maximizes freedom and liberty for all Americans so that we can transform the government to meet what is was designed to protect -- life, liberty and property, and we know that it is protecting these pillars of American life, and if not, we replace them will capable politicians.

It is basically critical for American Democracy and protecting life, liberty and property, and making sure that the gov't is not corrupt and is effective and yet efficient.

-----However, when it comes to defensive issues, if we expose our national security objectives such as the bin Laden raid preparation, look what would of happened. Bin Laden would be alive. The gov't can display its objectives to the people, and it should, be not give explicit details that threaten national security.
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8/20/2012 11:54:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
The "military information" that Wikileaks exposed was not only outdated by ninety days, but it wasn't really related to national security since it was discussing troop deployments in our invasion of Afghanistan. Invasions are not matters of national security. In addition, Assange leaked a great deal of information that we should have received, including the murder of two Reuters journalists at the hands of U.S. troops. Finally, Wikileaks is not guilty of espionage because it is a media outlet, and leaking the information that it had is constitutional according to the Ellesberg (might be misspelled) Supreme Court ruling.
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8/20/2012 3:47:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/20/2012 11:44:25 AM, Contra wrote:
At 8/20/2012 11:30:52 AM, inferno wrote:
At 8/20/2012 11:25:34 AM, Contra wrote:
Transparency is good. But when it comes to national security, I don't think we should risk that.

Why is that Contra.

Transparency leads to open government. Open government allows all citizens to know what their government is doing, and maximizes Democratic choice, and lets the people rule, a liberal democracy ensure, and maximizes freedom and liberty for all Americans so that we can transform the government to meet what is was designed to protect -- life, liberty and property, and we know that it is protecting these pillars of American life, and if not, we replace them will capable politicians.

It is basically critical for American Democracy and protecting life, liberty and property, and making sure that the gov't is not corrupt and is effective and yet efficient.

-----However, when it comes to defensive issues, if we expose our national security objectives such as the bin Laden raid preparation, look what would of happened. Bin Laden would be alive. The gov't can display its objectives to the people, and it should, be not give explicit details that threaten national security.

Was it ever a secret that the US government wanted Osama Bin Laden dead or captured? Like, seriously?

To the same extent that that was known, should that released by Wikileaks have been public knowledge: we're torturing those we capture, there is collateral damage. Neither of these pieces of information (or their approximate proportion) intolerably limits the US, it just affects how the relevant issues are shaped in domestic discourse. Knowing the specifics of any given torture, or instance of collateral, might be damaging. Just as knowing of the Bin Laden raid is potentially compromising.

Remembering all the while that, according to Assange's lawyer (might be former now), Wikileaks approached the American government and offered to let them look through that which was going to be released and veto any of it which would be dangerous to ongoing American operations, and were ignored.
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