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8/23/2012 8:58:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm sick of the Federal Government violatng my rights. They have found yet another way to violate my rights. This time they used a loop hole to pass ex post facto laws.

In 2008 I was in a major car crash. In 2010 I got a settlement from the insurance company. I placed that money in a trust fund. The contract for the trust fund stated that I can have my mom (who had special appointed powers) to terminate that trust, or that I can terminate it myself once I reach the age of 25.

After the trust was signed, and notarized the Federal government passed an ex post facto law, which stated that neither me nor my mother could terminate the trust regardless of what the contract says. The law was not binding for the contract, but it was binding for the trustees; who now won't allow me to terminate the trust due to federal prohibitions. In other words, because they could not alter my trust, they instead restricted what my trustees can and cannot do.

I'm getting really sick and tired of the Federal Government finding ways violate my rights!
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8/23/2012 9:13:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
pics or it didnt happen
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8/23/2012 9:21:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 8:58:43 AM, DanT wrote:
I'm sick of the Federal Government violatng my rights. They have found yet another way to violate my rights. This time they used a loop hole to pass ex post facto laws.

In 2008 I was in a major car crash. In 2010 I got a settlement from the insurance company. I placed that money in a trust fund. The contract for the trust fund stated that I can have my mom (who had special appointed powers) to terminate that trust, or that I can terminate it myself once I reach the age of 25.

After the trust was signed, and notarized the Federal government passed an ex post facto law, which stated that neither me nor my mother could terminate the trust regardless of what the contract says. The law was not binding for the contract, but it was binding for the trustees; who now won't allow me to terminate the trust due to federal prohibitions. In other words, because they could not alter my trust, they instead restricted what my trustees can and cannot do.

I'm getting really sick and tired of the Federal Government finding ways violate my rights!

Im with you.
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8/23/2012 10:13:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 9:13:21 AM, imabench wrote:
pics or it didnt happen
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

Here is the letter I got shortly after the trust was made;
http://www.debate.org...

Here are some termination provisions of my trust which are not ineffective;
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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8/23/2012 10:16:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 10:13:26 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 9:13:21 AM, imabench wrote:
pics or it didnt happen
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

Here is the letter I got shortly after the trust was made;
http://www.debate.org...

Here are some termination provisions of my trust which are not ineffective;
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

I'm no longer on SSI by the way, but due to the type of trust it does not matter that I lost SSI; SSI regulations still apply. The whole reason I had those clauses put in there was because I was still under review after graduation (they take for ever) regarding if I qualify as an adult for SSI.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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8/23/2012 10:28:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 10:16:22 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:13:26 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 9:13:21 AM, imabench wrote:
pics or it didnt happen
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

Here is the letter I got shortly after the trust was made;
http://www.debate.org...

Here are some termination provisions of my trust which are not ineffective;
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

I'm no longer on SSI by the way, but due to the type of trust it does not matter that I lost SSI; SSI regulations still apply. The whole reason I had those clauses put in there was because I was still under review after graduation (they take for ever) regarding if I qualify as an adult for SSI.

im impressed that you actually took pictures, you have gained 1000 bench points in my book <3

in the last two pictures though where does it say it is denying you the trust? im not good with the lawyer talk in the pictures :P
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ScottyDouglas
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8/23/2012 10:33:04 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 10:16:22 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:13:26 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 9:13:21 AM, imabench wrote:
pics or it didnt happen
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

Here is the letter I got shortly after the trust was made;
http://www.debate.org...

Here are some termination provisions of my trust which are not ineffective;
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

I'm no longer on SSI by the way, but due to the type of trust it does not matter that I lost SSI; SSI regulations still apply. The whole reason I had those clauses put in there was because I was still under review after graduation (they take for ever) regarding if I qualify as an adult for SSI.

That was Hard! +Million
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8/23/2012 10:47:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 10:33:04 AM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:16:22 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:13:26 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 9:13:21 AM, imabench wrote:
pics or it didnt happen
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

Here is the letter I got shortly after the trust was made;
http://www.debate.org...

Here are some termination provisions of my trust which are not ineffective;
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

I'm no longer on SSI by the way, but due to the type of trust it does not matter that I lost SSI; SSI regulations still apply. The whole reason I had those clauses put in there was because I was still under review after graduation (they take for ever) regarding if I qualify as an adult for SSI.

That was Hard! +Million

Scotty go do something productive like reading a dictionary while the grown ups talk.

Seriously though DanT, Which part actually voids the trust
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DanT
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8/23/2012 10:53:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 10:28:29 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:16:22 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:13:26 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 9:13:21 AM, imabench wrote:
pics or it didnt happen
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

Here is the letter I got shortly after the trust was made;
http://www.debate.org...

Here are some termination provisions of my trust which are not ineffective;
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

I'm no longer on SSI by the way, but due to the type of trust it does not matter that I lost SSI; SSI regulations still apply. The whole reason I had those clauses put in there was because I was still under review after graduation (they take for ever) regarding if I qualify as an adult for SSI.

im impressed that you actually took pictures, you have gained 1000 bench points in my book <3

in the last two pictures though where does it say it is denying you the trust? im not good with the lawyer talk in the pictures :P

The last two picture are from my trust. The contract that was signed and agreed upon. The letter above that was the lawyer telling me the Federal government decided to pass an ex post facto law that applies to trusts established up to 10 years prior to the new regulations.
I am currently trying to get out of the trust so I can use the remaining money to get an apartment, because I can't use the trust to pay for rent.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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8/23/2012 10:59:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 10:53:42 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:28:29 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:16:22 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:13:26 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 9:13:21 AM, imabench wrote:
pics or it didnt happen
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

Here is the letter I got shortly after the trust was made;
http://www.debate.org...

Here are some termination provisions of my trust which are not ineffective;
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

I'm no longer on SSI by the way, but due to the type of trust it does not matter that I lost SSI; SSI regulations still apply. The whole reason I had those clauses put in there was because I was still under review after graduation (they take for ever) regarding if I qualify as an adult for SSI.

im impressed that you actually took pictures, you have gained 1000 bench points in my book <3

in the last two pictures though where does it say it is denying you the trust? im not good with the lawyer talk in the pictures :P

The last two picture are from my trust. The contract that was signed and agreed upon. The letter above that was the lawyer telling me the Federal government decided to pass an ex post facto law that applies to trusts established up to 10 years prior to the new regulations.

So they are voiding trusts that were established way before new regulations were put in place for reasons that are yet not known.

Thats pretty f*cked up and I really do sympathize with you, but this seems to me more like a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time instead of an attack against you specifically by the government.

Wait a second, when did the car accident happen?
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

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ScottyDouglas
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8/23/2012 11:01:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Scotty go do something productive like reading a dictionary while the grown ups talk.

Seriously though DanT, Which part actually voids the trust

Your the child. Worker of evil's. Buahaha...your a grown-up, thats far and in between.
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8/23/2012 11:09:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 10:59:40 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:53:42 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:28:29 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:16:22 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:13:26 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 9:13:21 AM, imabench wrote:
pics or it didnt happen
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

Here is the letter I got shortly after the trust was made;
http://www.debate.org...

Here are some termination provisions of my trust which are not ineffective;
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

I'm no longer on SSI by the way, but due to the type of trust it does not matter that I lost SSI; SSI regulations still apply. The whole reason I had those clauses put in there was because I was still under review after graduation (they take for ever) regarding if I qualify as an adult for SSI.

im impressed that you actually took pictures, you have gained 1000 bench points in my book <3

in the last two pictures though where does it say it is denying you the trust? im not good with the lawyer talk in the pictures :P

The last two picture are from my trust. The contract that was signed and agreed upon. The letter above that was the lawyer telling me the Federal government decided to pass an ex post facto law that applies to trusts established up to 10 years prior to the new regulations.

So they are voiding trusts that were established way before new regulations were put in place for reasons that are yet not known.

Thats pretty f*cked up and I really do sympathize with you, but this seems to me more like a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time instead of an attack against you specifically by the government.

It's an attack on the rights of trust beneficiaries; not me specificity, but rather everyone the statute applies to.
Wait a second, when did the car accident happen?
2008. The others in the car lawyered up to get the biggest piece of the settlement; I chose not to lawyer up; those lawyers were crappy lawyers, I ended up with twice as much money as one of the guys in the crash, and the other 2 had a larger piece of the settlement but after lawyer bills they ended up with less than me. One of the girls in the car was pissed that I got as much as I did; she was the first to lawyer up.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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8/23/2012 11:10:04 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
DanT im going to go ahead and apologize for Scottydouglas's behavior. Hes currently trying to troll me with Bible Scriptures because I made fun of him for believing that Biblical Giants built the Pyramids in Giza among other things
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

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DanT
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8/23/2012 11:15:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:09:56 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:59:40 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:53:42 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:28:29 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:16:22 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:13:26 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 9:13:21 AM, imabench wrote:
pics or it didnt happen
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

Here is the letter I got shortly after the trust was made;
http://www.debate.org...

Here are some termination provisions of my trust which are not ineffective;
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

I'm no longer on SSI by the way, but due to the type of trust it does not matter that I lost SSI; SSI regulations still apply. The whole reason I had those clauses put in there was because I was still under review after graduation (they take for ever) regarding if I qualify as an adult for SSI.

im impressed that you actually took pictures, you have gained 1000 bench points in my book <3

in the last two pictures though where does it say it is denying you the trust? im not good with the lawyer talk in the pictures :P

The last two picture are from my trust. The contract that was signed and agreed upon. The letter above that was the lawyer telling me the Federal government decided to pass an ex post facto law that applies to trusts established up to 10 years prior to the new regulations.

So they are voiding trusts that were established way before new regulations were put in place for reasons that are yet not known.

Thats pretty f*cked up and I really do sympathize with you, but this seems to me more like a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time instead of an attack against you specifically by the government.

It's an attack on the rights of trust beneficiaries; not me specificity, but rather everyone the statute applies to.
Wait a second, when did the car accident happen?
2008. The others in the car lawyered up to get the biggest piece of the settlement; I chose not to lawyer up; those lawyers were crappy lawyers, I ended up with twice as much money as one of the guys in the crash, and the other 2 had a larger piece of the settlement but after lawyer bills they ended up with less than me. One of the girls in the car was pissed that I got as much as I did; she was the first to lawyer up.

The settlement took place in early 2010, and the trust was established on June 3, 2010.
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8/23/2012 11:15:24 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:10:04 AM, imabench wrote:
DanT im going to go ahead and apologize for Scottydouglas's behavior. Hes currently trying to troll me with Bible Scriptures because I made fun of him for believing that Biblical Giants built the Pyramids in Giza among other things

np
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8/23/2012 11:17:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:15:24 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:10:04 AM, imabench wrote:
DanT im going to go ahead and apologize for Scottydouglas's behavior. Hes currently trying to troll me with Bible Scriptures because I made fun of him for believing that Biblical Giants built the Pyramids in Giza among other things

np

When was the trust established in the first place? the accident happened 4 years ago in '08 and the cockblocking done here by the gov applies to trusts made 10 years before the regulations were first put in place (when the hell were the regulations established anyways?)
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"

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8/23/2012 11:20:31 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:17:23 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:15:24 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:10:04 AM, imabench wrote:
DanT im going to go ahead and apologize for Scottydouglas's behavior. Hes currently trying to troll me with Bible Scriptures because I made fun of him for believing that Biblical Giants built the Pyramids in Giza among other things

np

When was the trust established in the first place? the accident happened 4 years ago in '08 and the cockblocking done here by the gov applies to trusts made 10 years before the regulations were first put in place (when the hell were the regulations established anyways?)

My trust was made June 3, 2010.
I was informed of new regulations on September 27, 2010 (so trusts dating back to at-least September 27, 2000 were effected)
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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8/23/2012 11:22:30 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:21:31 AM, MrBrooks wrote:
Write your senator and congressman.

^ might work
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8/23/2012 11:23:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:20:31 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:17:23 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:15:24 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:10:04 AM, imabench wrote:
DanT im going to go ahead and apologize for Scottydouglas's behavior. Hes currently trying to troll me with Bible Scriptures because I made fun of him for believing that Biblical Giants built the Pyramids in Giza among other things

np

When was the trust established in the first place? the accident happened 4 years ago in '08 and the cockblocking done here by the gov applies to trusts made 10 years before the regulations were first put in place (when the hell were the regulations established anyways?)

My trust was made June 3, 2010.
I was informed of new regulations on September 27, 2010 (so trusts dating back to at-least September 27, 2000 were effected)

OOOOHHHHH i get it now, all trusts dating back 10 years have to be adjusted to regulations, not only ones made before then...

Apologies for the misunderstanding
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8/23/2012 11:27:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:21:31 AM, MrBrooks wrote:
Write your senator and congressman.

I'm more inclined to challenge it in court. A senator won't fight for a trust beneficiary's rights; they would receive backlash from the very people who implemented the new statutes. Unless I can create a petition I won't have much luck talking to a senator on this particular issue.
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8/23/2012 11:28:31 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:27:40 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:21:31 AM, MrBrooks wrote:
Write your senator and congressman.

I'm more inclined to challenge it in court. A senator won't fight for a trust beneficiary's rights; they would receive backlash from the very people who implemented the new statutes. Unless I can create a petition I won't have much luck talking to a senator on this particular issue.

Doing both can't hurt. If a senator gets enough letters about something they'll usually take action on it, or at least pay lip service.
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8/23/2012 11:30:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:23:53 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:20:31 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:17:23 AM, imabench wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:15:24 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:10:04 AM, imabench wrote:
DanT im going to go ahead and apologize for Scottydouglas's behavior. Hes currently trying to troll me with Bible Scriptures because I made fun of him for believing that Biblical Giants built the Pyramids in Giza among other things

np

When was the trust established in the first place? the accident happened 4 years ago in '08 and the cockblocking done here by the gov applies to trusts made 10 years before the regulations were first put in place (when the hell were the regulations established anyways?)

My trust was made June 3, 2010.
I was informed of new regulations on September 27, 2010 (so trusts dating back to at-least September 27, 2000 were effected)

OOOOHHHHH i get it now, all trusts dating back 10 years have to be adjusted to regulations, not only ones made before then...

Apologies for the misunderstanding

Any trust established after September of 2000 is effected by the regulations passed in September of 2010. Hence Ex post facto.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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8/23/2012 11:33:16 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:28:31 AM, MrBrooks wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:27:40 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:21:31 AM, MrBrooks wrote:
Write your senator and congressman.

I'm more inclined to challenge it in court. A senator won't fight for a trust beneficiary's rights; they would receive backlash from the very people who implemented the new statutes. Unless I can create a petition I won't have much luck talking to a senator on this particular issue.

Doing both can't hurt. If a senator gets enough letters about something they'll usually take action on it, or at least pay lip service.

right now I'm trying to convince the Trustee(s) to let me out of the trust. I sent them an email with the clauses from the trust, as well as a scan of the constitution with "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed." highlighted.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle