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How to tell if you are a Libertarian

Microsuck
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8/23/2012 7:34:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I like how Johnson uses the style of Jeff Foxworthy "How to tell if you are a Redneck" to determine if you are a Libertarian. Yup, I'm 100% Libertarian.
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Frederick53
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8/23/2012 7:51:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I don't want to end welfare or taxation, but otherwise I'm a libertarian.
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8/23/2012 7:56:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 7:51:28 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
I don't want to end welfare or taxation, but otherwise I'm a libertarian.



LOL!
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8/23/2012 8:00:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 7:51:28 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
I don't want to end welfare or taxation, but otherwise I'm a libertarian.

How is this Libertarian?

Smoking Ban - PRO
Globalization - CON
Gold Standard - N/O
Environmental Protection = PRO
Labor Union - PRO
Welfare - PRO
Social Security - PRO
Stimulus Spending - PRO
National Health Care - PRO
Estate Tax - PRO
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8/23/2012 8:06:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 8:00:20 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 8/23/2012 7:51:28 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
I don't want to end welfare or taxation, but otherwise I'm a libertarian.

How is this Libertarian?

Smoking Ban - PRO
Globalization - CON
Gold Standard - N/O
Environmental Protection = PRO
Labor Union - PRO
Welfare - PRO
Social Security - PRO
Stimulus Spending - PRO
National Health Care - PRO
Estate Tax - PRO

No, not libertarian.
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Devil worship much? - SD
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8/23/2012 8:09:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It's really ticking me off how these morons keep shooting themselves in the foot campaigning against both parties, in an attempt to gain political influence. By doing this they are becoming part of the problem, rather than the solution.
If they want to gain influence they should start locally, maybe win a few congressional seats or spots as governor. but seriously the Presidency represents the entire federation, and there is no way a minority party is getting into the presidency without first establishing a strong foothold locally in key states.
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8/23/2012 8:19:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It would seem like I'm a Libertarian, but I'm undecided on some areas that make my political ideology undecided. I like Friedman's Negative income tax idea to replace welfare though.
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8/23/2012 8:22:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 8:00:20 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 8/23/2012 7:51:28 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
I don't want to end welfare or taxation, but otherwise I'm a libertarian.

How is this Libertarian?
Gold Standard - N/O

You don't have to believe in the gold standard to be a libertarian. Milton Friedman thought the gold standard was inferior to greenbacks, and favored allowing a computer to determine how much currency should be printed.

Environmental Protection = PRO

You can be a libertarian and believe in environmental protection. It all really depends on your methods of protecting the environment.

Labor Union - PRO

Labor unions provide representation for the worker in the private sector, and w/o the employer-employee power dynamic would be heavily in favor of the employer. You can be a libertarian and support private sector unions, so long as you don't favor government choosing who wins and who loses.

Welfare - PRO
Social Security - PRO
Stimulus Spending - PRO
National Health Care - PRO
Estate Tax - PRO

This on the other hand, I can not justify.
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8/23/2012 8:24:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 8:19:13 PM, Contra wrote:
It would seem like I'm a Libertarian, but I'm undecided on some areas that make my political ideology undecided. I like Friedman's Negative income tax idea to replace welfare though.

You should look up Friedman's methods of environmental protection too.
DanT
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8/23/2012 8:33:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I can make this questionnaire allot less arbitrary;

Question 1: Which phrase do you agree with most?
a.) "Strength through unity"
b.) "Leave us be"

a = not libertarians
b = libertarian

I just saved a minute of your life... Your welcome.
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Frederick53
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8/23/2012 8:34:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 8:00:20 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 8/23/2012 7:51:28 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
I don't want to end welfare or taxation, but otherwise I'm a libertarian.

How is this Libertarian?

Smoking Ban - PRO

In certain areas, as in, inside restaurants, stores, and government buildings.

Globalization - CON

I say Con specifically because certain aspects of globalization are extremely detrimental to developing countries.

Gold Standard - N/O

How is this a deciding factor for being a libertarian???

Environmental Protection = PRO

Within reason.

Labor Union - PRO

Private sector labor unions exist you know.

Welfare - PRO

Oh you got me! Even though I already acknowledged it.

Social Security - PRO
Stimulus Spending - PRO
National Health Care - PRO
Estate Tax - PRO

Yes, I support Keynesian economics.

I feel like I may as well be talking to a rock when I say this but THERE IS MORE TO LIBERTARIANISM THAN ECONOMICS.
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8/23/2012 8:40:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Economic and political freedoms go hand in hand; you cannot support one without supporting the other. I think the founding fathers put it best when they said that the power to tax is the power to destroy. If you can mandate that I need to buy a certain product in a certain way, you will in essence control that aspect of my life.
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8/23/2012 8:44:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 8:34:25 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/23/2012 8:00:20 PM, Koopin wrote:

Welfare - PRO
National Health Care - PRO

These go against the core values of Libertarians.
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Frederick53
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8/23/2012 8:50:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There are left wing libertarians, who mainly value social freedom, and right wing libertarians, who mainly value economic freedom.

I'm a left wing libertarian.
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Like no wonder that indian dude rejected you.- Darkkermit to royalpaladin

Social Darwinism is a justification- 1Historygenius

Equal opportunity exists, so there is no problem- EvanK
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8/23/2012 8:53:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
there's a gradient to libertarianism. You don't need to be "pure-blooded" to be a libertarian.

I consider myself of a moderate-libertarian. I support some welfare, and a progressive tax. However, I believe that the market works best and am against government intervention in most scenarios.
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8/23/2012 9:38:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 8:09:22 PM, DanT wrote:
It's really ticking me off how these morons keep shooting themselves in the foot campaigning against both parties, in an attempt to gain political influence. By doing this they are becoming part of the problem, rather than the solution.
If they want to gain influence they should start locally, maybe win a few congressional seats or spots as governor. but seriously the Presidency represents the entire federation, and there is no way a minority party is getting into the presidency without first establishing a strong foothold locally in key states.

These 'morons' aren't attempting to win an election. It's clear, even to Johnson, that they have no hope of winning the presidency. HOWEVER, and this word is key, if they manage to at least get 7-10% of the popular vote, then that will show people that their popularity is rising and hopefully jumpstart their local campaigns. After all, what better way to win local campaigns than gain federal attention?
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Ragnar_Rahl
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8/24/2012 12:10:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 8:19:13 PM, Contra wrote:
It would seem like I'm a Libertarian, but I'm undecided on some areas that make my political ideology undecided. I like Friedman's Negative income tax idea to replace welfare though.

That's not libertarian, that's a libertarian's idea for making welfare liberalism smarter.

There are left wing libertarians, who mainly value social freedom, and right wing libertarians, who mainly value economic freedom.
And then there are actual libertarians.

You don't need to be "pure-blooded" to be a libertarian.
Not really true. If you're not "pure" you can be a classical liberal, but the word libertarian is capable of holding a clear and strict meaning and therefore it ought to because it is a word and clear words are good words-- an adherent of the non-aggression principle. Now, this doesn't mean all libertarians will agree on everything, but it does mean that the differences cannot consist of compromise.
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