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Lordknukle
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8/23/2012 9:39:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm beginning to like her.

Am I crazy?????????
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8/23/2012 9:44:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
You Serious?
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8/23/2012 9:48:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
THE WORLD IS ENDING!!!!!!!

Wait, what specifically do you like about her?
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8/23/2012 10:16:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 9:48:55 PM, imabench wrote:
THE WORLD IS ENDING!!!!!!!

Wait, what specifically do you like about her?

Some of her political views. The Green New Deal doesn't sound too bad.
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8/23/2012 10:25:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 10:16:06 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/23/2012 9:48:55 PM, imabench wrote:
THE WORLD IS ENDING!!!!!!!

Wait, what specifically do you like about her?

Some of her political views. The Green New Deal doesn't sound too bad.

--Government-led investment in energy efficiency and microgeneration

--Low-carbon infrastructure redevelopment as a job creation strategy

--A directed windfall tax on the profits of oil and gas companies (already established in Norway) with expanding renewable energy and energy efficiency investment

--Further financial incentives for green investment and reduced energy usage, including reduction of private bank interest rates for green investment

--Break up large financial institutions into smaller units to facilitate more explicit and detailed fundamental risk management, as opposed to an approach based on sheer size and diversifying into every activity regardless of its harms

--Re-regulation of international finance including capital controls, increased scrutiny of financial derivatives, likely along the lines of Basel II

--Prevent corporate tax evasion by demanding financial reporting and by clamping down on tax havens.

That is the "Green New Deal". ^
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8/23/2012 10:32:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 9:39:16 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
I'm beginning to like her.

Am I crazy?????????

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8/23/2012 10:37:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
You seem to jump around with your viewpoints/ideologues a lot....
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8/23/2012 11:05:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 10:25:30 PM, Contra wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:16:06 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/23/2012 9:48:55 PM, imabench wrote:
THE WORLD IS ENDING!!!!!!!

Wait, what specifically do you like about her?

Some of her political views. The Green New Deal doesn't sound too bad.

--Government-led investment in energy efficiency and microgeneration

--Low-carbon infrastructure redevelopment as a job creation strategy

--A directed windfall tax on the profits of oil and gas companies (already established in Norway) with expanding renewable energy and energy efficiency investment

--Further financial incentives for green investment and reduced energy usage, including reduction of private bank interest rates for green investment

--Break up large financial institutions into smaller units to facilitate more explicit and detailed fundamental risk management, as opposed to an approach based on sheer size and diversifying into every activity regardless of its harms

--Re-regulation of international finance including capital controls, increased scrutiny of financial derivatives, likely along the lines of Basel II

--Prevent corporate tax evasion by demanding financial reporting and by clamping down on tax havens.

That is the "Green New Deal". ^

I can google, ya know :)
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8/23/2012 11:05:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 10:37:23 PM, OberHerr wrote:
You seem to jump around with your viewpoints/ideologues a lot....

God forbid one is open-minded. OH THE HORROR!
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8/23/2012 11:14:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 9:39:16 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
I'm beginning to like her.

Am I crazy?????????

Nope :)
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8/23/2012 11:15:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:05:33 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:37:23 PM, OberHerr wrote:
You seem to jump around with your viewpoints/ideologues a lot....

God forbid one is open-minded. OH THE HORROR!

+1
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8/23/2012 11:22:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
First Contra becomes conservative, then LK becomes Green? WHAT IS GOING ONNNNNN!!!!
I love her decentralization and stuff. I'm voting for Obama though, just so Romney doesn't win.
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8/23/2012 11:25:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:22:31 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
First Contra becomes conservative, then LK becomes Green? WHAT IS GOING ONNNNNN!!!!
I love her decentralization and stuff. I'm voting for Obama though, just so Romney doesn't win.

NOOOO Vote Jill Stein! Show America there is a better way!
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8/23/2012 11:37:44 PM
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At 8/23/2012 10:37:23 PM, OberHerr wrote:
You seem to jump around with your viewpoints/ideologues a lot....

What's wrong with that?
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8/23/2012 11:41:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
But then again, her views of social justice are a little unnerving.

If only there was a socially libertarian party with fiscally conservative views, but not so much as to give a giant middle finger to the environment and say "the private sector will figure it out."
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8/24/2012 12:21:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
(:

If only we could have coalition governments like Great Britain so that the Green Party and the Libertarian Party could possibly gain equal footing.
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8/24/2012 6:32:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/24/2012 12:21:39 AM, Frederick53 wrote:
(:

If only we could have coalition governments like Great Britain so that the Green Party and the Libertarian Party could possibly gain equal footing.

If you're interested in that sort of thing, New Zealand might be worth looking into.
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8/24/2012 8:52:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 9:39:16 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
I'm beginning to like her.

Am I crazy?????????

Yes you are crazy.
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8/24/2012 11:54:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:16:20 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
I just hope Obama supporters don't vote for en masse.

The problem would only be if she doesn't win any states. Which, because of the political system in America, would very probably happnen.
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8/24/2012 2:14:38 PM
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At 8/23/2012 11:41:51 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
But then again, her views of social justice are a little unnerving.

If only there was a socially libertarian party with fiscally conservative views, but not so much as to give a giant middle finger to the environment and say "the private sector will figure it out."

Her Green New Deal is not libertarian. The decentralizing gov't part is, but her actual plan is not.

--Government-led investment in energy efficiency and microgeneration

So, have government create alternative energy infrastructure to compete with the private sector? This would be unfair to the energy companies, as they must (GE being the exception) pay taxes, and have all other costs, and cause the industry to become, eventually, nationalized.

Incentivizing the private sector to create clean, renewable energy to improve public health, reduce global warming, and create millions of high wage, high skill jobs, will help America's economy vastly, but by improving the market economy, instead of instilling a gov't led energy sector, which would adversely harm the economy.

--Low-carbon infrastructure redevelopment as a job creation strategy

Green retrofits, that are not voluntary or gov't led, instead.

--A directed windfall tax on the profits of oil and gas companies (already established in Norway) with expanding renewable energy and energy efficiency investment

Maybe, but only a low rate. A high rate will make oil companies increase prices to keep their profits stable. This will cause higher oil prices, and cause a negative ripple effect through the economy.

--Further financial incentives for green investment and reduced energy usage, including reduction of private bank interest rates for green investment

Mandatory lower bank rates is not a good idea. First, it involves a potentially corrupt gov't giving special interests special bank treatment, a large gateway for corruption. The market will set interest rates at the optimal rate, based on their risk.

--Break up large financial institutions into smaller units to facilitate more explicit and detailed fundamental risk management, as opposed to an approach based on sheer size and diversifying into every activity regardless of its harms

Deregulation, and free markets would work instead. First, free entry allows competition to occur, and prevents pure monopolies. Regulation has facilitated monopolies much more than the free market has.

--Re-regulation of international finance including capital controls, increased scrutiny of financial derivatives, likely along the lines of Basel II

Ok, regulate financial derivatives, and hold bankers liable to their customers whose money they are using, like they should of done.

--Prevent corporate tax evasion by demanding financial reporting and by clamping down on tax havens.

Ok.

I do support some simple, principle based regulations when it comes to global warming and air quality, such as limiting the amount of mercury released in our air, preventing widespread CFC's, but you have to simplify the regulations to make it effective and efficient.
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8/25/2012 11:16:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/23/2012 11:37:44 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:37:23 PM, OberHerr wrote:
You seem to jump around with your viewpoints/ideologues a lot....

What's wrong with that?

Nothing normally, but if you CONSTANTLY RADICALLY switch......I dunno, just seems like your not questioning your views enough to begin with.
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8/25/2012 11:22:40 AM
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At 8/25/2012 11:16:25 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:37:44 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:37:23 PM, OberHerr wrote:
You seem to jump around with your viewpoints/ideologues a lot....

What's wrong with that?

Nothing normally, but if you CONSTANTLY RADICALLY switch......I dunno, just seems like your not questioning your views enough to begin with.

If by radically switch you mean stop giving the middle finger to the environment while believing that the free market is still more or less superb, then I agree with you.
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8/25/2012 11:25:09 AM
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At 8/25/2012 11:22:40 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/25/2012 11:16:25 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 8/23/2012 11:37:44 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/23/2012 10:37:23 PM, OberHerr wrote:
You seem to jump around with your viewpoints/ideologues a lot....

What's wrong with that?

Nothing normally, but if you CONSTANTLY RADICALLY switch......I dunno, just seems like your not questioning your views enough to begin with.

If by radically switch you mean stop giving the middle finger to the environment while believing that the free market is still more or less superb, then I agree with you.

Ah, I love loaded language.
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