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Cermank
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8/24/2012 10:47:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Provisional independence? Any time it's been given in history to any other country.

It sounds completely sh!t to me, the concept. But I can't find anything on Google to give me a substantial research on the subject.

Suppose a country agrees to give provisional independence to another country, given that
1. It will still be under the parent state, but completely autonomous.
2. UN would kind of look over it.

^ What is wrong with the scenario? How is it difference from independence?
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8/24/2012 11:06:48 AM
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At 8/24/2012 10:47:48 AM, Cermank wrote:
Provisional independence? Any time it's been given in history to any other country.

It sounds completely sh!t to me, the concept. But I can't find anything on Google to give me a substantial research on the subject.

Suppose a country agrees to give provisional independence to another country, given that
1. It will still be under the parent state, but completely autonomous.
2. UN would kind of look over it.

^ What is wrong with the scenario? How is it difference from independence?

a self-governing state, with the possibility of losing their autonomousness.
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8/24/2012 11:15:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/24/2012 11:03:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Would Puerto Rico count?

Yes, it looks like it. Thanks. You've no idea how much this helped me.
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8/24/2012 11:52:57 AM
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Ireland is a far better example, I think, because it [Northern Ireland at the least] was reclaimed due to the rioting and general horror that went on there.
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8/24/2012 12:42:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/24/2012 11:52:57 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Ireland is a far better example, I think, because it [Northern Ireland at the least] was reclaimed due to the rioting and general horror that went on there.

Thanks ^_^
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8/25/2012 7:09:03 AM
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At 8/24/2012 11:52:43 AM, Cermank wrote:
At 8/24/2012 11:03:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Would Puerto Rico count?

Okay no. Puerto Rico is more like a US colony.

Not really. They have independence from the U.S. and do not have to pay any federal taxes. It's a Commonwealth, and it's up to the people if they wish to leave.
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8/25/2012 7:54:29 AM
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At 8/25/2012 5:22:09 AM, Chaos88 wrote:
What about Monacco, Lichenstein, Andora, and those other two?

Monaco is run by the french Monarchy (I don't know how), Liechtenstein and Andorra are their own nations.
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8/25/2012 10:00:40 AM
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At 8/25/2012 7:09:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 8/24/2012 11:52:43 AM, Cermank wrote:
At 8/24/2012 11:03:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Would Puerto Rico count?

Okay no. Puerto Rico is more like a US colony.

Not really. They have independence from the U.S. and do not have to pay any federal taxes. It's a Commonwealth, and it's up to the people if they wish to leave.

Its been a commonwealth for a while
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8/25/2012 10:42:56 AM
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At 8/25/2012 7:09:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 8/24/2012 11:52:43 AM, Cermank wrote:
At 8/24/2012 11:03:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Would Puerto Rico count?

Okay no. Puerto Rico is more like a US colony.

Not really. They have independence from the U.S. and do not have to pay any federal taxes. It's a Commonwealth, and it's up to the people if they wish to leave.

Apparently the want to become a state though.

Would be interesting to see if Puerto Rico will or not.
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8/25/2012 11:48:40 AM
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At 8/25/2012 7:09:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 8/24/2012 11:52:43 AM, Cermank wrote:
At 8/24/2012 11:03:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Would Puerto Rico count?

Okay no. Puerto Rico is more like a US colony.

Not really. They have independence from the U.S. and do not have to pay any federal taxes.

I wasn't emphasizing on the negative concoction of a colony, I was focusing on its literal meaning. Puerto Rico is directly under the political control of US.

1. Congress may unilaterally repeal the Puerto Rican Constitution or the Puerto Rican Federal Relations Act and replace them with any rules or regulations of its choice.

2. Puerto ricons are US citizens, but it is not a US state.

3. The establishment of local self-government with the consent of the people can be unilaterally revoked by the U.S. Congress, and that U.S. Congress can also withdraw the U.S. citizenship of Puerto Rican residents of Puerto Rico at any time, for a legitimate Federal purpose

In 2005 and 2007, two reports were issued by the U.S. President's Task Force on Puerto Rico's Status.[49][106] Both reports conclude that Puerto Rico continues to be a territory of U.S. under the plenary powers of the U.S. Congress

It's a Commonwealth, and it's up to the people if they wish to leave.

Yeah, but the will of the people to be under the political control of another country does not stop it from being a colony. Most of the people in colonies were initially happy being under the control of the colonizers.