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8/24/2012 5:42:43 PM
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It is curious to include rape among mere "method[s] of conception." I don't know how anyone can vote for people who believe and say things like this.

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Paul Ryan is way too conservative for me on the social aspects. I feel that Paul Ryan is going to take a lot of the women's vote away from Mitt Romney.
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8/24/2012 5:52:36 PM
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GOP candidates need to just stfu about rape
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8/24/2012 6:22:24 PM
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If men could get pregnant just like women, then there would be harly any debate abortions.
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8/24/2012 6:27:10 PM
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At 8/24/2012 6:22:24 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
If men could get pregnant just like women, then there would be harly any debate abortions.

More women are pro life than pro choice..... http://www.nationalreview.com...
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8/24/2012 6:53:20 PM
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At 8/24/2012 6:27:10 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 8/24/2012 6:22:24 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
If men could get pregnant just like women, then there would be harly any debate abortions.

More women are pro life than pro choice..... http://www.nationalreview.com...

Thanks for reminding me why I hate this country..
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8/24/2012 6:55:27 PM
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"I believe that the State should tell me how to be a moral person"
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8/24/2012 6:58:31 PM
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At 8/24/2012 6:55:27 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
"I believe that the State should tell me how to be a moral person"

I believe that I should tell me how to be a moral person
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8/24/2012 7:00:05 PM
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At 8/24/2012 6:58:31 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 8/24/2012 6:55:27 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
"I believe that the State should tell me how to be a moral person"

I believe that I should tell me how to be a moral person

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8/24/2012 7:03:32 PM
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At 8/24/2012 5:52:36 PM, thett3 wrote:
GOP candidates need to just stfu about rape

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8/24/2012 7:04:49 PM
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At 8/24/2012 6:27:10 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 8/24/2012 6:22:24 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
If men could get pregnant just like women, then there would be harly any debate abortions.

More women are pro life than pro choice..... http://www.nationalreview.com...

doesnt separate regular abortion from late term abortion
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8/24/2012 7:06:32 PM
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At 8/24/2012 7:04:49 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/24/2012 6:27:10 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 8/24/2012 6:22:24 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
If men could get pregnant just like women, then there would be harly any debate abortions.

More women are pro life than pro choice..... http://www.nationalreview.com...

doesnt separate regular abortion from late term abortion

That is true, but at least most of the people don't vote anti-choice. lol
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8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM
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This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.
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8/24/2012 7:10:31 PM
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At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

The majority are indeed anti-choice however, most of them don't vote that way which is good.
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8/24/2012 7:16:14 PM
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At 8/24/2012 7:10:31 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

The majority are indeed anti-choice however, most of them don't vote that way which is good.

Stop with the childish "anti-choice" or "anti-life" slogans. They are pathetic and demeaning to your credibility.

Since the majority of the public is pro-life, then the law should be overturned. If this was just some regular law, then it wouldn't be too hard. However, since it was ruled upon by the SC, overturning it will be nigh impossible, which reflects the sad and abysmal status of our law system.
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8/24/2012 7:20:23 PM
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At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

What happened to combating the tyranny of the majority? People are only more Pro-life by a small percentage.
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8/24/2012 7:21:54 PM
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At 8/24/2012 7:20:23 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

What happened to combating the tyranny of the majority? People are only more Pro-life by a small percentage.

What happened to the fact that laws are decided by societal consensus because there is no such thing as objective right or wrong?
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8/24/2012 7:22:07 PM
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At 8/24/2012 7:16:14 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:10:31 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

The majority are indeed anti-choice however, most of them don't vote that way which is good.

Stop with the childish "anti-choice" or "anti-life" slogans. They are pathetic and demeaning to your credibility.
Childish? No, I refuse to say their "pro-life" because they are most certainly NOT pro-life!

Since the majority of the public is pro-life, then the law should be overturned. If this was just some regular law, then it wouldn't be too hard. However, since it was ruled upon by the SC, overturning it will be nigh impossible, which reflects the sad and abysmal status of our law system.

So I take it you you favor democracy over republicanism then? I do however, I still think that the act of what you are stating is tyrrany by the majority.. :/
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8/24/2012 7:29:49 PM
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At 8/24/2012 7:21:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:20:23 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

What happened to combating the tyranny of the majority? People are only more Pro-life by a small percentage.

What happened to the fact that laws are decided by societal consensus because there is no such thing as objective right or wrong?

I don't know. It's a toss up between the 2 I guess.
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8/24/2012 7:31:05 PM
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At 8/24/2012 7:22:07 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:16:14 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:10:31 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

The majority are indeed anti-choice however, most of them don't vote that way which is good.

Stop with the childish "anti-choice" or "anti-life" slogans. They are pathetic and demeaning to your credibility.
Childish? No, I refuse to say their "pro-life" because they are most certainly NOT pro-life!

Then at least say "those opposed to abortion." Pointless slandering isn't winning you any points.

Since the majority of the public is pro-life, then the law should be overturned. If this was just some regular law, then it wouldn't be too hard. However, since it was ruled upon by the SC, overturning it will be nigh impossible, which reflects the sad and abysmal status of our law system.

So I take it you you favor democracy over republicanism then?

I favour neither; they are both downright awful.

I do however, I still think that the act of what you are stating is tyrrany by the majority.. :/

Tyranny of the majority is the only way that laws can be decided. Otherwise, you would have tyranny of the minority, which is not reflective of the wishes of general society.
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8/24/2012 8:11:05 PM
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At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

I was not aware that autonomy rights were subject to popular choice.
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8/24/2012 8:20:00 PM
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At 8/24/2012 8:11:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

I was not aware that autonomy rights were subject to popular choice.

Because attempting to simplify a nuanced issue is fun.
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8/24/2012 8:23:12 PM
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At 8/24/2012 7:31:05 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:22:07 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:16:14 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:10:31 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

The majority are indeed anti-choice however, most of them don't vote that way which is good.

Stop with the childish "anti-choice" or "anti-life" slogans. They are pathetic and demeaning to your credibility.
Childish? No, I refuse to say their "pro-life" because they are most certainly NOT pro-life!

Then at least say "those opposed to abortion." Pointless slandering isn't winning you any points.
I didn't know we were taking points. That is just what I call them, and so does most of the left-wing media. lol

Since the majority of the public is pro-life, then the law should be overturned. If this was just some regular law, then it wouldn't be too hard. However, since it was ruled upon by the SC, overturning it will be nigh impossible, which reflects the sad and abysmal status of our law system.

So I take it you you favor democracy over republicanism then?

I favour neither; they are both downright awful.

I do however, I still think that the act of what you are stating is tyrrany by the majority.. :/

Tyranny of the majority is the only way that laws can be decided. Otherwise, you would have tyranny of the minority, which is not reflective of the wishes of general society.

Or we can have a society that respects everyone's rights and doesn't try to take them away whether the majority or minority want to either way. lol Either way, I don't care if they are the majority or not. They will never overturn Roe vs Wade. That is a fact.
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8/24/2012 8:41:51 PM
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At 8/24/2012 8:20:00 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 8/24/2012 8:11:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

I was not aware that autonomy rights were subject to popular choice.

Because attempting to simplify a nuanced issue is fun.

It's a pretty simple case. The homeless men I see outside my dorms are not entitled to any of my possessions even if they need them to survive. Need does not impose moral obligations on others to provide. This is only a controversial issue because of religion. Even Jesus was against imposing religion on others. Read Matthew 10:42-1
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8/24/2012 8:43:32 PM
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I'm not saying that I would use abortion or that I wouldn't provide for the homeless man, but I just try to be a nice person. I don't see why we should be forcing people to be nice.
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8/24/2012 8:44:21 PM
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At 8/24/2012 8:41:51 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 8/24/2012 8:20:00 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 8/24/2012 8:11:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

I was not aware that autonomy rights were subject to popular choice.

Because attempting to simplify a nuanced issue is fun.

It's a pretty simple case. The homeless men I see outside my dorms are not entitled to any of my possessions even if they need them to survive. Need does not impose moral obligations on others to provide. This is only a controversial issue because of religion. Even Jesus was against imposing religion on others. Read Matthew 10:42-1

I'm not disagreeing with you on the overall position. But your main reasoning for the position is one that is, to me, a little bit overly simplistic, with its many many presuppositions.
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8/24/2012 8:44:35 PM
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Also, I am fairly certain that the Bible permits abortion in cases of adultery. This was supposed to be a punishment to the women involved; the "rights" of the child were not even considered.
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8/24/2012 8:45:14 PM
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At 8/24/2012 8:44:21 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 8/24/2012 8:41:51 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 8/24/2012 8:20:00 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 8/24/2012 8:11:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

I was not aware that autonomy rights were subject to popular choice.

Because attempting to simplify a nuanced issue is fun.

It's a pretty simple case. The homeless men I see outside my dorms are not entitled to any of my possessions even if they need them to survive. Need does not impose moral obligations on others to provide. This is only a controversial issue because of religion. Even Jesus was against imposing religion on others. Read Matthew 10:42-1

I'm not disagreeing with you on the overall position. But your main reasoning for the position is one that is, to me, a little bit overly simplistic, with its many many presuppositions.

I notice that you have not explained what these complications are . . .
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8/24/2012 9:22:35 PM
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At 8/24/2012 8:11:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

I was not aware that autonomy rights were subject to popular choice.

Of course they are. Rights by themselves are subject to popular choice and societal consensus.
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8/24/2012 9:50:15 PM
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At 8/24/2012 9:22:35 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/24/2012 8:11:05 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 8/24/2012 7:08:54 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is why I hate Supreme Court cases- they make it ridiculously hard to overturn anything. If laws are decided by society, then it should be noted that more people are pro-life than pro-choice, in which case, the law should reflect that.

I was not aware that autonomy rights were subject to popular choice.

Of course they are. Rights by themselves are subject to popular choice and societal consensus.

You do realize that this presumes the existence of rights in the first place? Why should they be subject to popular choice and societal consensus? Like, why should we not impose our culture of rights on Asian countries?

LK: Cultural relativism

Royal: So because they consented to have the culture, it's ok?

LK: Yup

Royal: That presupposes the existence of the right to autonomy. Why is it just or some in the culture to impose that culture and its implications on others in the culture?

LK: