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8/27/2012 12:34:46 PM
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There have been recent racial tensions, territorial disputes and old hatreds emerging between China and Japan. Anti-Japanese riots have broken out across China while the Japanese are asking their government to put a stop to Chinese expansion in the region. This seems to be a political brew that could boil over into something serious.

The world is ripe for a world war, will it start in Asia? Iran? Argentina? My article elaborates on this.

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8/27/2012 12:45:01 PM
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At 8/27/2012 12:34:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
There have been recent racial tensions, territorial disputes and old hatreds emerging between China and Japan. Anti-Japanese riots have broken out across China while the Japanese are asking their government to put a stop to Chinese expansion in the region. This seems to be a political brew that could boil over into something serious.

The world is ripe for a world war, will it start in Asia? Iran? Argentina? My article elaborates on this.

Read and respond. Thoughts?

READ: http://www.conservativepolitico.org...

http://www.ft.com...

Could diffently have a part to play but think its small cakes. I see USA, Britian, Russia, China and various nations joing together to against Islam.
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8/27/2012 12:56:59 PM
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At 8/27/2012 12:45:01 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/27/2012 12:34:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
There have been recent racial tensions, territorial disputes and old hatreds emerging between China and Japan. Anti-Japanese riots have broken out across China while the Japanese are asking their government to put a stop to Chinese expansion in the region. This seems to be a political brew that could boil over into something serious.

The world is ripe for a world war, will it start in Asia? Iran? Argentina? My article elaborates on this.

Read and respond. Thoughts?

READ: http://www.conservativepolitico.org...

http://www.ft.com...

Could diffently have a part to play but think its small cakes. I see USA, Britian, Russia, China and various nations joing together to against Islam.

please please tell me youre kidding
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8/27/2012 12:58:45 PM
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At 8/27/2012 12:45:01 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/27/2012 12:34:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
There have been recent racial tensions, territorial disputes and old hatreds emerging between China and Japan. Anti-Japanese riots have broken out across China while the Japanese are asking their government to put a stop to Chinese expansion in the region. This seems to be a political brew that could boil over into something serious.

The world is ripe for a world war, will it start in Asia? Iran? Argentina? My article elaborates on this.

Read and respond. Thoughts?

READ: http://www.conservativepolitico.org...

http://www.ft.com...

Could diffently have a part to play but think its small cakes. I see USA, Britian, Russia, China and various nations joing together to against Islam.

... I don't think I understand the joke.
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8/27/2012 12:59:35 PM
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At 8/27/2012 12:34:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
There have been recent racial tensions, territorial disputes and old hatreds emerging between China and Japan. Anti-Japanese riots have broken out across China while the Japanese are asking their government to put a stop to Chinese expansion in the region. This seems to be a political brew that could boil over into something serious.

The world is ripe for a world war, will it start in Asia? Iran? Argentina? My article elaborates on this.

Read and respond. Thoughts?

READ: http://www.conservativepolitico.org...

http://www.ft.com...

If WW3 does come about, I dont think it would be because of a dispute between two nations that escalated into a World War, my guess would be that it would start from a huge Great Depression-style recession across the world while a few hostile rouge nations exploit the situation by invading nearby countries.

Basically My guess is that WWIII would start much like WWII did, a sh*tty worldwide economy with a few dictators hell-bent on building an empire causing all hell to break loose
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8/27/2012 1:02:21 PM
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At 8/27/2012 12:56:59 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/27/2012 12:45:01 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/27/2012 12:34:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
There have been recent racial tensions, territorial disputes and old hatreds emerging between China and Japan. Anti-Japanese riots have broken out across China while the Japanese are asking their government to put a stop to Chinese expansion in the region. This seems to be a political brew that could boil over into something serious.

The world is ripe for a world war, will it start in Asia? Iran? Argentina? My article elaborates on this.

Read and respond. Thoughts?

READ: http://www.conservativepolitico.org...

http://www.ft.com...

Could diffently have a part to play but think its small cakes. I see USA, Britian, Russia, China and various nations joing together to against Islam.

please please tell me youre kidding

I could see (not actually happening, but if war did break out) Israel taking over and annexing all of the Middle-East. Any 'war against Islam' would be so shortlived that it's not really of much interest.
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8/27/2012 1:06:29 PM
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At 8/27/2012 12:59:35 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/27/2012 12:34:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
There have been recent racial tensions, territorial disputes and old hatreds emerging between China and Japan. Anti-Japanese riots have broken out across China while the Japanese are asking their government to put a stop to Chinese expansion in the region. This seems to be a political brew that could boil over into something serious.

The world is ripe for a world war, will it start in Asia? Iran? Argentina? My article elaborates on this.

Read and respond. Thoughts?

READ: http://www.conservativepolitico.org...

http://www.ft.com...

If WW3 does come about, I dont think it would be because of a dispute between two nations that escalated into a World War, my guess would be that it would start from a huge Great Depression-style recession across the world while a few hostile rouge nations exploit the situation by invading nearby countries.

Basically My guess is that WWIII would start much like WWII did, a sh*tty worldwide economy with a few dictators hell-bent on building an empire causing all hell to break loose

I see this too, Imabench.
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8/27/2012 1:14:01 PM
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I could see (not actually happening, but if war did break out) Israel taking over and annexing all of the Middle-East. Any 'war against Islam' would be so shortlived that it's not really of much interest.

I have reason not even religious why I said what I said. It has to do with religion for me but not the warhorses. Think of it....The UN created and allowed the Israel state after WWII. Thats the UN's baby. Israel is ran by Jewish Zionist who control alot. This is added interest. The real interest is this....The UN formed Israel....Israel is demanding that they be able to rebuild thier Temple. To do this they must destroy the Dome of the Rock which will enrage Islam to war. This will bring the wrath on them from the UN. As Imabench said this action and the economic situation would cause others nations to seize control of other nations while in this process. All this guided by the UN and coming closer to thier Global society which you know they crave.
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8/27/2012 1:15:52 PM
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At 8/27/2012 1:14:01 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Jewish Zionist who control alot. This is added interest. The real interest is this....The UN formed Israel....Israel is demanding that they be able to rebuild thier Temple. To do this they must destroy the Dome of the Rock which will enrage Islam to war. This will bring the wrath on them from the UN.
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8/27/2012 1:21:30 PM
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At 8/27/2012 1:14:01 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
I could see (not actually happening, but if war did break out) Israel taking over and annexing all of the Middle-East. Any 'war against Islam' would be so shortlived that it's not really of much interest.

I have reason not even religious why I said what I said. It has to do with religion for me but not the warhorses. Think of it....The UN created and allowed the Israel state after WWII. Thats the UN's baby. Israel is ran by Jewish Zionist who control alot. This is added interest. The real interest is this....The UN formed Israel....Israel is demanding that they be able to rebuild thier Temple. To do this they must destroy the Dome of the Rock which will enrage Islam to war. This will bring the wrath on them from the UN. As Imabench said this action and the economic situation would cause others nations to seize control of other nations while in this process. All this guided by the UN and coming closer to thier Global society which you know they crave.

I think you mis-interpreted What I said.

Its my belief that the best guess for WWIII would be eerily similar to the conditions prior to WWII, where a worldwide recession equal to that of the Great Depression (meaning the one we're in right now isnt even close) would allow a couple of rogue dictators (not an allegedly zionist Israel) to start building empires by expanding territory (Not bring about holy war) while the UN comes up short of keeping the peace (instead of encouraging it like you said)....
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8/27/2012 1:22:45 PM
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At 8/27/2012 1:15:52 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 8/27/2012 1:14:01 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Jewish Zionist who control alot. This is added interest. The real interest is this....The UN formed Israel....Israel is demanding that they be able to rebuild thier Temple. To do this they must destroy the Dome of the Rock which will enrage Islam to war. This will bring the wrath on them from the UN.
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8/27/2012 1:39:20 PM
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At 8/27/2012 12:34:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
There have been recent racial tensions, territorial disputes and old hatreds emerging between China and Japan. Anti-Japanese riots have broken out across China while the Japanese are asking their government to put a stop to Chinese expansion in the region. This seems to be a political brew that could boil over into something serious.

The world is ripe for a world war, will it start in Asia? Iran? Argentina? My article elaborates on this.

Read and respond. Thoughts?

READ: http://www.conservativepolitico.org...

http://www.ft.com...

Argentina?! Lol, the only countries on earth that even care about Argentina are the US and maybe Britain if they are still pissed about the Falklands War. I love how you assume that just because the US has a vendetta against all of the socialist countries of Latin America that means that the rest of the world agrees.
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8/27/2012 2:22:41 PM
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At 8/27/2012 1:39:20 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/27/2012 12:34:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
There have been recent racial tensions, territorial disputes and old hatreds emerging between China and Japan. Anti-Japanese riots have broken out across China while the Japanese are asking their government to put a stop to Chinese expansion in the region. This seems to be a political brew that could boil over into something serious.

The world is ripe for a world war, will it start in Asia? Iran? Argentina? My article elaborates on this.

Read and respond. Thoughts?

READ: http://www.conservativepolitico.org...

http://www.ft.com...

Argentina?! Lol, the only countries on earth that even care about Argentina are the US and maybe Britain if they are still pissed about the Falklands War. I love how you assume that just because the US has a vendetta against all of the socialist countries of Latin America that means that the rest of the world agrees.

What are you talking about? I was talking about the British-Argentina conflict over the Falklands. Goodness gracious...

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8/27/2012 2:24:18 PM
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At 8/27/2012 12:45:01 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Could diffently have a part to play but think its small cakes. I see USA, Britian, Russia, China and various nations joing together to against Islam.
What a perverted view. Do you have any justification of this opinion other than blatantly stupid wishful thinking? Why would a country like China go against Islam in case USA does it? If anything, China would support Muslims due to its ties with say, Pakistan and other Islamic countries. The fight would NOT be centered on ANY Muslim countries if you ask the Chinese. India, Japan, and USA are not Islamic - and the Muslim Indians would most likely join Pakistan in case there is a religious war.

And a war against Muslims would be disastrous, and not victorious for any aggressive party. Sad to break your wishes.
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8/27/2012 2:25:28 PM
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At 8/27/2012 2:24:18 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/27/2012 12:45:01 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Could diffently have a part to play but think its small cakes. I see USA, Britian, Russia, China and various nations joing together to against Islam.
What a perverted view. Do you have any justification of this opinion other than blatantly stupid wishful thinking? Why would a country like China go against Islam in case USA does it? If anything, China would support Muslims due to its ties with say, Pakistan and other Islamic countries. The fight would NOT be centered on ANY Muslim countries if you ask the Chinese. India, Japan, and USA are not Islamic - and the Muslim Indians would most likely join Pakistan in case there is a religious war.

And a war against Muslims would be disastrous, and not victorious for any aggressive party. Sad to break your wishes.

It won't be about Islam. It will be about economic expansion in a poor economy. Countries like China, Iran and Brazil will end up pushing boundaries and neighbors to a breaking point as it is already happening in Eastern Asia.
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8/27/2012 2:29:44 PM
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To CP: Your blog post is nowhere detailed enough to describe a possible event that would lead to WWIII. Sure, there are tensions between Japan and China, but that is nothing unusual whatsoever. Russia invaded Georgia 4 years ago, and what happened? It's almost forgotten now. US and Russian troops almost faced heavily off in Kosovo over a decade ago, but that's just in history books now. (Barely even there.) In older days, wars were triggered easier because there was less at stake for people. Remember that WWII came not too long after industrialization, and countries were nowhere nearly as dependent upon one another as they are now. Both Russia and China now depend on other countries to have half of everything they have now. And this goes to most other countries too. A country like North Korea barely survives on its own, and without international aid it would crumble even more. That's why it is less afraid of threatening with war than say, South Korea, who has a lot at stake.

If any region would inflict a WWIII, I think it would be the Balkans. The religious and nationalistic conflicts in this region would involve the Middle East and Russia, and not to mention the West.
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8/27/2012 2:54:55 PM
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At 8/27/2012 2:22:41 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/27/2012 1:39:20 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/27/2012 12:34:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
There have been recent racial tensions, territorial disputes and old hatreds emerging between China and Japan. Anti-Japanese riots have broken out across China while the Japanese are asking their government to put a stop to Chinese expansion in the region. This seems to be a political brew that could boil over into something serious.

The world is ripe for a world war, will it start in Asia? Iran? Argentina? My article elaborates on this.

Read and respond. Thoughts?

READ: http://www.conservativepolitico.org...

http://www.ft.com...

Argentina?! Lol, the only countries on earth that even care about Argentina are the US and maybe Britain if they are still pissed about the Falklands War. I love how you assume that just because the US has a vendetta against all of the socialist countries of Latin America that means that the rest of the world agrees.

What are you talking about? I was talking about the British-Argentina conflict over the Falklands. Goodness gracious...

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I'm confused... are you saying that a conflict between 2 countries that was settled in 1982 might start World War 3 today?
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8/27/2012 2:55:48 PM
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At 8/27/2012 2:53:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
A war may break out in Asia. But it's only America which starts a World War.

I wouldn't say that. It's usually America who stays out of World Wars actually.
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8/27/2012 6:49:03 PM
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Japan has a much smaller and less well funded military, but is important to the world economy, and strategically to America et al. So, only China could be the aggressor in anything other than a mistake or terrorism which would be hastily smoothed over, and this would fly in the face of its rapprochement cum integration.

One imagines that this is partly distracting saber rattling linked to the Japanese debt situation, etc., and the updating of the Sino leadership.
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8/27/2012 7:50:50 PM
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At 8/27/2012 6:49:03 PM, NixonianVolkswagen wrote:
Japan has a much smaller and less well funded military, but is important to the world economy, and strategically to America et al. So, only China could be the aggressor in anything other than a mistake or terrorism which would be hastily smoothed over, and this would fly in the face of its rapprochement cum integration.

One imagines that this is partly distracting saber rattling linked to the Japanese debt situation, etc., and the updating of the Sino leadership.

The US seem to be waiting for Japan to go to war with China or North Korea, considering how much military hardware we sell them.
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8/27/2012 8:11:10 PM
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At 8/27/2012 2:24:18 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/27/2012 12:45:01 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Could diffently have a part to play but think its small cakes. I see USA, Britian, Russia, China and various nations joing together to against Islam.
What a perverted view. Do you have any justification of this opinion other than blatantly stupid wishful thinking? Why would a country like China go against Islam in case USA does it? If anything, China would support Muslims due to its ties with say, Pakistan and other Islamic countries. The fight would NOT be centered on ANY Muslim countries if you ask the Chinese. India, Japan, and USA are not Islamic - and the Muslim Indians would most likely join Pakistan in case there is a religious war.

And a war against Muslims would be disastrous, and not victorious for any aggressive party. Sad to break your wishes.

Blah...You know just about as much as I.
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8/27/2012 8:14:27 PM
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What we do know for sure is none of them(USA including) can be trusted. Nothing has to make sense. Only power, land, religion and money is needed for war.
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8/27/2012 9:08:41 PM
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At 8/27/2012 8:14:27 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
What we do know for sure is none of them(USA including) can be trusted. Nothing has to make sense. Only power, land, religion and money is needed for war.

you dont even need religion for it either
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8/27/2012 9:15:16 PM
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At 8/27/2012 9:08:41 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/27/2012 8:14:27 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
What we do know for sure is none of them(USA including) can be trusted. Nothing has to make sense. Only power, land, religion and money is needed for war.

you dont even need religion for it either

True, ole so true. But its a factor sometimes.
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8/27/2012 9:53:16 PM
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At 8/27/2012 6:49:03 PM, NixonianVolkswagen wrote:
Japan has a much smaller and less well funded military, but is important to the world economy, and strategically to America et al. So, only China could be the aggressor in anything other than a mistake or terrorism which would be hastily smoothed over, and this would fly in the face of its rapprochement cum integration.

One imagines that this is partly distracting saber rattling linked to the Japanese debt situation, etc., and the updating of the Sino leadership.

China is important to us too... However of china does something radically stupid I think Australia, South Korea, and Japan would hold their own. Yes, this assumes the Aussies help
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8/27/2012 10:16:39 PM
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At 8/27/2012 9:53:16 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/27/2012 6:49:03 PM, NixonianVolkswagen wrote:
Japan has a much smaller and less well funded military, but is important to the world economy, and strategically to America et al. So, only China could be the aggressor in anything other than a mistake or terrorism which would be hastily smoothed over, and this would fly in the face of its rapprochement cum integration.

One imagines that this is partly distracting saber rattling linked to the Japanese debt situation, etc., and the updating of the Sino leadership.

China is important to us too... However of china does something radically stupid I think Australia, South Korea, and Japan would hold their own. Yes, this assumes the Aussies help

Theres a theory out there call the Dell theory of conflict prevention which basically states that as countries become more and more modernized they get integrated into a global system of fast paced supply and demand in multiple industries, meaning that should they go to war with someone else who is a part of this system it would be an economic disaster for everyone.

Point is if this theory is right then the only way WWIII would start is if a couple of rouge, impoverished, but heavily armed countries start fighting which causes all of the other countries to intervene.

Even if they do intervene though, all the major countries would be on the same side, not fighting each other.
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8/28/2012 12:32:05 AM
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At 8/27/2012 12:59:35 PM, imabench wrote:
At 8/27/2012 12:34:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
There have been recent racial tensions, territorial disputes and old hatreds emerging between China and Japan. Anti-Japanese riots have broken out across China while the Japanese are asking their government to put a stop to Chinese expansion in the region. This seems to be a political brew that could boil over into something serious.

The world is ripe for a world war, will it start in Asia? Iran? Argentina? My article elaborates on this.

Read and respond. Thoughts?

READ: http://www.conservativepolitico.org...

http://www.ft.com...

If WW3 does come about, I dont think it would be because of a dispute between two nations that escalated into a World War, my guess would be that it would start from a huge Great Depression-style recession across the world while a few hostile rouge nations exploit the situation by invading nearby countries.

Basically My guess is that WWIII would start much like WWII did, a sh*tty worldwide economy with a few dictators hell-bent on building an empire causing all hell to break loose

The religion of the state will have less of a chance to grab hold now. People don't have such racist, nationalist thought patterns anymore in the West. Governments like the Chinese have learned that by slightly freeing their markets they reap more tax revenue as overlords. People understand the fallacies of economics more now than they did in the 30's and 40's. Also, information is very grass roots these days; people constantly alert each other on social media, underground news stories can make it big, and people share information virally.

I'm on painmeds and very tired, so that probably didn't make any sense. But, my conclusion is that there is less of a chance of massive dictatorships leading us to war like in WWI and WWII.
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8/28/2012 2:09:18 AM
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At 8/27/2012 12:45:01 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/27/2012 12:34:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
There have been recent racial tensions, territorial disputes and old hatreds emerging between China and Japan. Anti-Japanese riots have broken out across China while the Japanese are asking their government to put a stop to Chinese expansion in the region. This seems to be a political brew that could boil over into something serious.

The world is ripe for a world war, will it start in Asia? Iran? Argentina? My article elaborates on this.

Read and respond. Thoughts?

READ: http://www.conservativepolitico.org...

http://www.ft.com...

Could diffently have a part to play but think its small cakes. I see USA, Britian, Russia, China and various nations joing together to against Islam.

A war against Islamic countries =/= A war against Islam
turn down for h'what