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Deathbeforedishonour
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9/3/2012 1:00:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
...Progressivism and Liberalism.

Is there any differences? Everything I have read has made only one economic distinction. Liberal politicians bribe as a means of economic intervention, while Progressives just straight up regulate. Is this accurate or is there more to it then that or are they both just the same?
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9/3/2012 1:09:28 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/3/2012 1:00:38 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
...Progressivism and Liberalism.

Is there any differences? Everything I have read has made only one economic distinction. Liberal politicians bribe as a means of economic intervention, while Progressives just straight up regulate. Is this accurate or is there more to it then that or are they both just the same?

Im not so sure about that difference that separates them but overall Ive always seen liberals and progressives as one in the same.

Upon further thought though I think progressives focus more on pushing for freedoms in the future whereas liberals focus on pushing for freedoms that are issues right now.
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9/3/2012 2:38:39 AM
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It seems like "progressive" is a buzz word the left uses to distance itself form the DFL party, kind of like libertarians distance themselves from the GOP. But in my hearing of those that call themselves progressives, they reference FDR a lot and love light socialism (unions, socialized medicine (not Obamacare), minimum wages, "right" to work (not "right to work"), etc.).

I think liberals are a less aggressive form of socialist/totalitarian than progressives, just like conservatives are less anarchist than libertarians.

I also think that all progressives are liberals, but not vice versa, therefore, progressives are likely to vote DFL, as libertarians are likely to vote GOP.

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9/3/2012 8:03:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/3/2012 1:00:38 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
...Progressivism and Liberalism.

Is there any differences? Everything I have read has made only one economic distinction. Liberal politicians bribe as a means of economic intervention, while Progressives just straight up regulate. Is this accurate or is there more to it then that or are they both just the same?

Progressivists are left of the current state and are not reactionary or conservative. Liberals are pro-individualist, pro-reason pro-tolerance pro-justice pro-rights.
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9/3/2012 9:06:16 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/3/2012 2:38:39 AM, Chaos88 wrote:
It seems like "progressive" is a buzz word the left uses to distance itself form the DFL party, kind of like libertarians distance themselves from the GOP. But in my hearing of those that call themselves progressives, they reference FDR a lot and love light socialism (unions, socialized medicine (not Obamacare), minimum wages, "right" to work (not "right to work"), etc.).

I think liberals are a less aggressive form of socialist/totalitarian than progressives, just like conservatives are less anarchist than libertarians.

I also think that all progressives are liberals, but not vice versa, therefore, progressives are likely to vote DFL, as libertarians are likely to vote GOP.

This may or may not help.
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Progressive is the the opposite of Traditionalist. It is a specific subsection of liberalism which focuses most on social progress, civil rights, and personal freedom.
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9/3/2012 12:59:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/3/2012 1:00:38 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
...Progressivism and Liberalism.

Is there any differences? Everything I have read has made only one economic distinction. Liberal politicians bribe as a means of economic intervention, while Progressives just straight up regulate. Is this accurate or is there more to it then that or are they both just the same?

1st off politics =/= economics...

Classic Liberals (original liberalism) is the belief that government is a necessary evil, that should be limited. Classic liberals believe that government should be restricted to the protection of life, liberty, and property. "Laissez-nous faire" is the best term used to describe Classic Liberalism; "Laissez-nous faire" means "Leave us be", or "let them do as they will". Liberal economics is another term for free market economics.

Classic Liberalism is Right wing libertarianism, whereas Anarchism is left wing Libertarianism.

You are probably referring to social liberalism aka radical liberalism. Social liberalism is a form of progressivism. Progressivism is synonymous with radicalism aka reformism.
Social liberalism is individualist-Progressivism, and Populism is collectivist-progressivism.

Social Liberals believe that classic liberalism should include social justice. Social justice is the belief that the government should create a more egalitarian society. Unlike Classic Liberals, social liberals focus on positive liberties rather than negative liberties. Positive liberties are things thatenable freedom, whereas negative liberties are things that allow freedom. For example; roads are a positive liberty because it allows people to travel; not requiring a passport is a negative liberty because no-one can stop you from traveling.

Conservatism is a reactionary or traditionalist doctrine. Conservatives believe in maintaining the status quo. There are 2 main types of consevatives; traditional conservatives, and liberal conservatives.
Traditional conservatives believe the government should actively protect the status quo, and liberal conservatives believe the government should refrain from changing the status quo. Traditional conservatives are interventionists, and liberal conservatives are not. Liberal conservatism is individualist-conservatism, and traditional conservatives are collectivist-conservatism.
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9/3/2012 1:01:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/3/2012 9:06:16 AM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/3/2012 2:38:39 AM, Chaos88 wrote:
It seems like "progressive" is a buzz word the left uses to distance itself form the DFL party, kind of like libertarians distance themselves from the GOP. But in my hearing of those that call themselves progressives, they reference FDR a lot and love light socialism (unions, socialized medicine (not Obamacare), minimum wages, "right" to work (not "right to work"), etc.).

I think liberals are a less aggressive form of socialist/totalitarian than progressives, just like conservatives are less anarchist than libertarians.

I also think that all progressives are liberals, but not vice versa, therefore, progressives are likely to vote DFL, as libertarians are likely to vote GOP.

This may or may not help.
http://www.ehow.com...

Progressive is the the opposite of Traditionalist.

Exactly. Conservatives are reactionary-traditionalists. Progressives are radical-reformists.

It is a specific subsection of liberalism which focuses most on social progress, civil rights, and personal freedom.

No! You almost had it! Social Liberalism is a subsection of progressivism.
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