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9/5/2012 10:57:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
...was bada**.

Here's the text:
http://www.politico.com...

Post a full video if you find one.
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9/5/2012 11:05:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It was an impressive speech.
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9/5/2012 11:09:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Agreed!
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9/5/2012 11:11:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I just find it interesting that bill clinton went on to complain that the republicans "hate" the president, and says he never hated republicans, and then goes onto crititize republicans in a hateful manner. Even though that's all the republicans are doing to Obama.
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9/5/2012 11:13:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 11:05:16 PM, Contra wrote:
It was an impressive speech.

Are you kidding me?! "Impressive?!"

Geez...That speech made the second time in my life that I associated the name 'Bill Clinton' with rape. It was much more than impressive. It was the collective summation of everything the Republicans aren't: factual, energetic, inspiring, bada**.

Let's see if Obama can top that.
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9/5/2012 11:15:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 11:11:32 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I just find it interesting that bill clinton went on to complain that the republicans "hate" the president, and says he never hated republicans, and then goes onto crititize republicans in a hateful manner. Even though that's all the republicans are doing to Obama.

That was many things. 'Hateful' wasn't one of them. That was a logical destruction of the GOP's childish arguments. Hateful is what I would have been were I given the podium. Refuting fallacious arguments is not hateful, it is fundamentally necessary in our political system.
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9/5/2012 11:17:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 11:15:51 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 9/5/2012 11:11:32 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I just find it interesting that bill clinton went on to complain that the republicans "hate" the president, and says he never hated republicans, and then goes onto crititize republicans in a hateful manner. Even though that's all the republicans are doing to Obama.

That was many things. 'Hateful' wasn't one of them. That was a logical destruction of the GOP's childish arguments. Hateful is what I would have been were I given the podium. Refuting fallacious arguments is not hateful, it is fundamentally necessary in our political system.

Assertions =/= logical destruction of GOP's "childish arguments"
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9/5/2012 11:26:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I think that Clinton's and Michelle Obama's speeches combined has had as much inspiration as all of the Republican convention's speeches combined.....
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9/5/2012 11:38:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 11:26:32 PM, imabench wrote:
I think that Clinton's and Michelle Obama's speeches combined has had as much inspiration as all of the Republican convention's speeches combined.....

Agreed 100%, I'm not Democrat or Republican but the DNC speeches have been far and beyond more intelligent, factual, and civil than the Republicans. A big difference I have been observing is that the DNC defends Obama with comparatively less attacks on Romney, but the RNC seemed to be resting its case on how crappy Obama is, not why Romney/Ryan would be a better alternative. 1000x more impressed with the DNC despite the fact that I disagree with Obama and Romney on the vast majority of stuff that matters
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9/6/2012 12:10:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 11:26:32 PM, imabench wrote:
I think that Clinton's and Michelle Obama's speeches combined has had as much inspiration as all of the Republican convention's speeches combined.....

Definitely disagree. I legitimately think that the Republicans managed to create negative inspiration.
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9/6/2012 2:13:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 12:10:53 AM, Apollo.11 wrote:
At 9/5/2012 11:26:32 PM, imabench wrote:
I think that Clinton's and Michelle Obama's speeches combined has had as much inspiration as all of the Republican convention's speeches combined.....

Definitely disagree. I legitimately think that the Republicans managed to create negative inspiration.

I don't know. That talk Clint Eastwood had with the chair was pretty inspiring.
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9/6/2012 8:57:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
The speech was classic Bill Clinton. Clinton is the most charming an persuasive liar in all of politics. When Clinton said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." He overflowed with sincerity, he waved his finger to emphasize the point, and told us all to listen carefully, because it was solid fact. Well, gotcha. It was a lie told by a master of the craft.

The details in Clinton's speech were rank with lies and distortions. Clinton started as a firm leftist, but the Gingrich Revolution in 1994 gave Republicans control of the House, and Clinton wisely moderated. The balanced budgets were Gingrich products that Clinton vetoed repeatedly until finally relenting. One major deregulation of banking that led to later problems was a bipartisan effort that Clinton signed into law.

The prosperity of the 90s was mainly a result of computers being brought into industry yielding major productivity improvements. Clinton cut capital gains taxes to spur investment; that's a Romney policy to which Obama is opposed.

The military was cut dramatically under Clinton, helping to balance the budget. 600,000 troops were cut at one time. Everyone agreed tat with the Cold War over, there was no need for a military--a bipartisan mistake.

The housing crash was a direct result of Democrat continuing to run Fannie and Freddie and issuing bad loans as a matter of policy.

There is a message here for debaters: a convincing lie does not equate to truth. Clinton is a charming guy. Libs love him for his truthiness, never mind it's all a story.
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9/6/2012 9:01:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 11:38:39 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 9/5/2012 11:26:32 PM, imabench wrote:
I think that Clinton's and Michelle Obama's speeches combined has had as much inspiration as all of the Republican convention's speeches combined.....

Agreed 100%, I'm not Democrat or Republican but the DNC speeches have been far and beyond more intelligent, factual, and civil than the Republicans. A big difference I have been observing is that the DNC defends Obama with comparatively less attacks on Romney, but the RNC seemed to be resting its case on how crappy Obama is, not why Romney/Ryan would be a better alternative. 1000x more impressed with the DNC despite the fact that I disagree with Obama and Romney on the vast majority of stuff that matters

I agree with this statemetn. I'm disappointed in the GOP because they have been every bit as negative as Obama.
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9/6/2012 9:05:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 8:57:55 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
The speech was classic Bill Clinton. Clinton is the most charming an persuasive liar in all of politics. When Clinton said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." He overflowed with sincerity, he waved his finger to emphasize the point, and told us all to listen carefully, because it was solid fact. Well, gotcha. It was a lie told by a master of the craft.

The details in Clinton's speech were rank with lies and distortions. Clinton started as a firm leftist, but the Gingrich Revolution in 1994 gave Republicans control of the House, and Clinton wisely moderated. The balanced budgets were Gingrich products that Clinton vetoed repeatedly until finally relenting. One major deregulation of banking that led to later problems was a bipartisan effort that Clinton signed into law.

The prosperity of the 90s was mainly a result of computers being brought into industry yielding major productivity improvements. Clinton cut capital gains taxes to spur investment; that's a Romney policy to which Obama is opposed.

The military was cut dramatically under Clinton, helping to balance the budget. 600,000 troops were cut at one time. Everyone agreed tat with the Cold War over, there was no need for a military--a bipartisan mistake.

The housing crash was a direct result of Democrat continuing to run Fannie and Freddie and issuing bad loans as a matter of policy.

There is a message here for debaters: a convincing lie does not equate to truth. Clinton is a charming guy. Libs love him for his truthiness, never mind it's all a story.


This. Clinton was almost as bad of a President as Obama. He is a liar and should not be taken seriously.
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9/6/2012 11:07:59 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 10:57:56 PM, Apollo.11 wrote:
...was bada**.

Here's the text:
http://www.politico.com...

Post a full video if you find one.
Republicans should be mopping their bloody carcasses off the floor about now...if any still exist after that.

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9/6/2012 1:11:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 8:57:55 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
The speech was classic Bill Clinton. Clinton is the most charming an persuasive liar in all of politics. When Clinton said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." He overflowed with sincerity, he waved his finger to emphasize the point, and told us all to listen carefully, because it was solid fact. Well, gotcha. It was a lie told by a master of the craft.

The details in Clinton's speech were rank with lies and distortions. Clinton started as a firm leftist, but the Gingrich Revolution in 1994 gave Republicans control of the House, and Clinton wisely moderated. The balanced budgets were Gingrich products that Clinton vetoed repeatedly until finally relenting.

Im going to need sources for those....

One major deregulation of banking that led to later problems was a bipartisan effort that Clinton signed into law.

Wait what? I thought you were always pro-deregulation! Hell isnt that why you give Obama so much hell because you think hes going to regulate the market to death?

The prosperity of the 90s was mainly a result of computers being brought into industry yielding major productivity improvements. Clinton cut capital gains taxes to spur investment; that's a Romney policy to which Obama is opposed.

The military was cut dramatically under Clinton, helping to balance the budget. 600,000 troops were cut at one time. Everyone agreed tat with the Cold War over, there was no need for a military--a bipartisan mistake.

So we should have kept those troops for no reason and lost ground in fighting the deficit?

The housing crash was a direct result of Democrat continuing to run Fannie and Freddie and issuing bad loans as a matter of policy.

Gonna need a souce showing it was purely the Dems and not both parties.

There is a message here for debaters: a convincing lie does not equate to truth. Clinton is a charming guy. Libs love him for his truthiness, never mind it's all a story.

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9/6/2012 1:14:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 9:05:09 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 9/6/2012 8:57:55 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
The speech was classic Bill Clinton. Clinton is the most charming an persuasive liar in all of politics. When Clinton said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." He overflowed with sincerity, he waved his finger to emphasize the point, and told us all to listen carefully, because it was solid fact. Well, gotcha. It was a lie told by a master of the craft.

The details in Clinton's speech were rank with lies and distortions. Clinton started as a firm leftist, but the Gingrich Revolution in 1994 gave Republicans control of the House, and Clinton wisely moderated. The balanced budgets were Gingrich products that Clinton vetoed repeatedly until finally relenting. One major deregulation of banking that led to later problems was a bipartisan effort that Clinton signed into law.

The prosperity of the 90s was mainly a result of computers being brought into industry yielding major productivity improvements. Clinton cut capital gains taxes to spur investment; that's a Romney policy to which Obama is opposed.

The military was cut dramatically under Clinton, helping to balance the budget. 600,000 troops were cut at one time. Everyone agreed tat with the Cold War over, there was no need for a military--a bipartisan mistake.

The housing crash was a direct result of Democrat continuing to run Fannie and Freddie and issuing bad loans as a matter of policy.

There is a message here for debaters: a convincing lie does not equate to truth. Clinton is a charming guy. Libs love him for his truthiness, never mind it's all a story.



This. Clinton was almost as bad of a President as Obama. He is a liar and should not be taken seriously.

You're comparing Clinton, who managed to balance the budget several years in a row with help from Congress and stay out of any costly wars, to being just as bad as Obama, the man libertarians crucify as being a disaster for the national debt and inherited two wars costing over $500 billion a year each?

Where do you libertarians get off?
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9/6/2012 1:45:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 1:42:53 PM, jm_notguilty wrote:
At 9/6/2012 11:30:51 AM, DanT wrote:
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That's the most bullsh!t definition I've ever seen.

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9/6/2012 1:49:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 11:38:39 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 9/5/2012 11:26:32 PM, imabench wrote:
I think that Clinton's and Michelle Obama's speeches combined has had as much inspiration as all of the Republican convention's speeches combined.....

Agreed 100%, I'm not Democrat or Republican but the DNC speeches have been far and beyond more intelligent, factual, and civil than the Republicans. A big difference I have been observing is that the DNC defends Obama with comparatively less attacks on Romney, but the RNC seemed to be resting its case on how crappy Obama is, not why Romney/Ryan would be a better alternative. 1000x more impressed with the DNC despite the fact that I disagree with Obama and Romney on the vast majority of stuff that matters

Isn't that the strategy of the incumbent though? The incumbent should be more focused on boasting his own accomplishments rather than attacking the other candidate. While the challenger should be focused on attacking the incumbent.
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9/6/2012 1:51:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 1:49:13 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/5/2012 11:38:39 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 9/5/2012 11:26:32 PM, imabench wrote:
I think that Clinton's and Michelle Obama's speeches combined has had as much inspiration as all of the Republican convention's speeches combined.....

Agreed 100%, I'm not Democrat or Republican but the DNC speeches have been far and beyond more intelligent, factual, and civil than the Republicans. A big difference I have been observing is that the DNC defends Obama with comparatively less attacks on Romney, but the RNC seemed to be resting its case on how crappy Obama is, not why Romney/Ryan would be a better alternative. 1000x more impressed with the DNC despite the fact that I disagree with Obama and Romney on the vast majority of stuff that matters

Isn't that the strategy of the incumbent though? The incumbent should be more focused on boasting his own accomplishments rather than attacking the other candidate. While the challenger should be focused on attacking the incumbent.

yeah but since Romney's support among voters comes from the fact that hes NOT Obama, hes kind of forced to paint himself as the exact opposite of Obama which pushes Romney further into a corner. Obama on the other hand doesnt have to change his game form any past incumbent at all and can even make a larger reach for independent voters since Romney really didnt get a chance to do so during the RNC....
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9/6/2012 2:00:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
LOL I can't help but notice that the Clinton speech was so awesomely, inspiringly and persuasively badass that critics attack the speaker instead of the speech per se. Playing the 'liar' card? Really?
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9/6/2012 2:21:28 PM
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Definitely awesome speech by Bill Clinton. Republicans know that he will be instrumental in convincing undecided voters and independents, so they actually try to pit Clinton against Obama. It's quite pathetic really.

This is my order of best speeches.

1. Michele Obama
2. Bill Clinton
3. Julian Castro
4. Deval Patrick

I hope the president knocks it out of the park tonight
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9/6/2012 6:32:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
One common theme at the DNC was "we're all in this together." Smells a little like Socialism. I'm not kidding, "we're all in this together"? What does that mean? We should all use the wealth to create the roads, bridges, healthcare, welfare, social security, etc, all that could be more efficiently and effectively provided by the private sector?
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9/6/2012 6:36:12 PM
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At 9/6/2012 6:32:22 PM, Contra wrote:
One common theme at the DNC was "we're all in this together." Smells a little like Socialism. I'm not kidding, "we're all in this together"? What does that mean? We should all use the wealth to create the roads, bridges, healthcare, welfare, social security, etc, all that could be more efficiently and effectively provided by the private sector?

Contra, go to your room
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9/6/2012 6:38:48 PM
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At 9/6/2012 6:32:22 PM, Contra wrote:
One common theme at the DNC was "we're all in this together." Smells a little like Socialism. I'm not kidding, "we're all in this together"? What does that mean? We should all use the wealth to create the roads, bridges, healthcare, welfare, social security, etc, all that could be more efficiently and effectively provided by the private sector?

They're saying that success isn't achieved on the back of one man, but with the combined effort of others. It reinforces the idea that we have to account for the health of others and account for justice and fair play.

You knew that damn well,...Become a Libertarian if you like, but please, please don't become one the annoying one's that have nothing but rhetoric and call everything leftwing socialist. It's unbecoming
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9/6/2012 6:58:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 6:38:48 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/6/2012 6:32:22 PM, Contra wrote:
One common theme at the DNC was "we're all in this together." Smells a little like Socialism. I'm not kidding, "we're all in this together"? What does that mean? We should all use the wealth to create the roads, bridges, healthcare, welfare, social security, etc, all that could be more efficiently and effectively provided by the private sector?

They're saying that success isn't achieved on the back of one man, but with the combined effort of others. It reinforces the idea that we have to account for the health of others and account for justice and fair play.

You knew that damn well,...Become a Libertarian if you like, but please, please don't become one the annoying one's that have nothing but rhetoric and call everything leftwing socialist. It's unbecoming

We're all in this together=/=We should all pledge our duties to a collective.
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9/6/2012 7:00:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 6:58:04 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/6/2012 6:38:48 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/6/2012 6:32:22 PM, Contra wrote:
One common theme at the DNC was "we're all in this together." Smells a little like Socialism. I'm not kidding, "we're all in this together"? What does that mean? We should all use the wealth to create the roads, bridges, healthcare, welfare, social security, etc, all that could be more efficiently and effectively provided by the private sector?

They're saying that success isn't achieved on the back of one man, but with the combined effort of others. It reinforces the idea that we have to account for the health of others and account for justice and fair play.

You knew that damn well,...Become a Libertarian if you like, but please, please don't become one the annoying one's that have nothing but rhetoric and call everything leftwing socialist. It's unbecoming

We're all in this together=/=We should all pledge our duties to a collective.

We're all in this together = we should all pledge our duties to a collective.

There! If that's the level of argumentation you want to engage in (mindless uncorroborated assertions), I'll be happy to oblige.
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9/6/2012 7:03:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:00:59 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/6/2012 6:58:04 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/6/2012 6:38:48 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/6/2012 6:32:22 PM, Contra wrote:
One common theme at the DNC was "we're all in this together." Smells a little like Socialism. I'm not kidding, "we're all in this together"? What does that mean? We should all use the wealth to create the roads, bridges, healthcare, welfare, social security, etc, all that could be more efficiently and effectively provided by the private sector?

They're saying that success isn't achieved on the back of one man, but with the combined effort of others. It reinforces the idea that we have to account for the health of others and account for justice and fair play.

You knew that damn well,...Become a Libertarian if you like, but please, please don't become one the annoying one's that have nothing but rhetoric and call everything leftwing socialist. It's unbecoming

We're all in this together=/=We should all pledge our duties to a collective.

We're all in this together = we should all pledge our duties to a collective.

There! If that's the level of argumentation you want to engage in (mindless uncorroborated assertions), I'll be happy to oblige.

Lol, you're pathetic. Simply because we all leach of the externalities of one's own selfish behaviour does not mean that we should replace it with collective behaviour.
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