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9/6/2012 7:15:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Oh, youre voting for the lesser of two evils? Tell me how voting for evil has been working out for you."
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Joe Biden was right when he slipped up and admitted that the banks subsidized by the government (and vise versa) will put you all back in chains.

40 Points That Prove That Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate
http://www.infowars.com...

The real choice is either Gary Johnson or Obamney, freedom or fascism. Very easy and simple choice to make.

If you absolutely refuse to vote Johnson, at least vote for David Rockefeller and demote him to President.

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9/6/2012 7:22:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:17:36 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Why is everything you post just other people's work?

Nope, go browse the politics forum or my debate history. I have built many cases of my own.

Do you expect us to argue with you, or infowars?

You dont want citations? If I say "Obamney," I think it helps that I post a link to an article documenting why they are the same.
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9/6/2012 7:25:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:18:01 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
What about Stein?

Lol.

If she was a Green Libertarian like Ralph Nader then sure, but it appears she is just another Green Liberal.
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9/6/2012 7:26:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
40 Stupidities from Infowars

3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama's bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea. False. Romney opposed the bailout and wanted the industry to immediately go through restructuring. I thought infowars was always right and factual?

5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office. False. Romney's spending shrank as governor when adjusted for inflation.

12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care. Their approaches were completely different. Romneycare is Massachusettscare, seeing as Romney opposed much of it. But it doesn't do a candidate good to say "I don't support this law that I signed".

15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS. That doesn't make them the same. Romney wants to cut personal taxes, cut corporate taxes, and move to a territorial tax system. Obama doesn't want to do all that. Their policies are not the same. That's almost the same as saying "They both have policies about government spending, so they are the same".

16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans. Uh... seriously? THIS IS THE SITE YOU GET YOUR FACTS FROM?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??! So, cutting tax rates across the board now qualifies as keeping rates at the exact same level? So full of fail.

Annoyed at the stretching of single facts into multiple facts. Both support Bernanke, AND think he did a good job, AND would reappoint him... that's not really three things. Same with patriot act and NDAA.

23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there. How is that being similar? Obama wants to close it, but can't.

25. They both support the job-killing "free trade" agenda of the global elite. Seriously? Yeah, their positions on trade are totally the same...

Shall I keep going?
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
JaxsonRaine
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9/6/2012 7:29:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:22:02 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:17:36 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Why is everything you post just other people's work?

Nope, go browse the politics forum or my debate history. I have built many cases of my own.

Do you expect us to argue with you, or infowars?

You dont want citations? If I say "Obamney," I think it helps that I post a link to an article documenting why they are the same.

Still waiting for you to prove that they are going to take my guns. A simple quotation of the treaty will suffice.

Your arguments seem to all be stolen from infowars. Either quotes, or plagiarism.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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9/6/2012 7:33:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:26:26 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
40 Stupidities from Infowars

3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama's bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea. False. Romney opposed the bailout and wanted the industry to immediately go through restructuring. I thought infowars was always right and factual?

5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office. False. Romney's spending shrank as governor when adjusted for inflation.

12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care. Their approaches were completely different. Romneycare is Massachusettscare, seeing as Romney opposed much of it. But it doesn't do a candidate good to say "I don't support this law that I signed".

15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS. That doesn't make them the same. Romney wants to cut personal taxes, cut corporate taxes, and move to a territorial tax system. Obama doesn't want to do all that. Their policies are not the same. That's almost the same as saying "They both have policies about government spending, so they are the same".

16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans. Uh... seriously? THIS IS THE SITE YOU GET YOUR FACTS FROM?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??! So, cutting tax rates across the board now qualifies as keeping rates at the exact same level? So full of fail.

Annoyed at the stretching of single facts into multiple facts. Both support Bernanke, AND think he did a good job, AND would reappoint him... that's not really three things. Same with patriot act and NDAA.

23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there. How is that being similar? Obama wants to close it, but can't.

25. They both support the job-killing "free trade" agenda of the global elite. Seriously? Yeah, their positions on trade are totally the same...

Shall I keep going?

Obama and Romney are going to pursue the same basic policies, Don't know why you are trying to defend or define differences in either candidate as they don't exist. Other than your apparent hate for Geo and inforwars
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9/6/2012 7:37:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:33:44 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Obama and Romney are going to pursue the same basic policies, Don't know why you are trying to defend or define differences in either candidate as they don't exist. Other than your apparent hate for Geo and inforwars

I'm not defining differences. The differences exist. In record, and in policy.
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9/6/2012 7:38:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:37:29 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:33:44 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Obama and Romney are going to pursue the same basic policies, Don't know why you are trying to defend or define differences in either candidate as they don't exist. Other than your apparent hate for Geo and inforwars

I'm not defining differences. The differences exist. In record, and in policy.

If you disagree, how about you, oh, I don't know... address the points I made? You know, like a logical approach to discussing things?
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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9/6/2012 7:40:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:18:01 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
What about Stein?

I'm pulling for her and Obama. Either one will do.
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9/6/2012 7:41:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:25:07 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:18:01 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
What about Stein?

Lol.

If she was a Green Libertarian like Ralph Nader then sure, but it appears she is just another Green Liberal.

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9/6/2012 7:43:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:26:26 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama's bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea. False. Romney opposed the bailout and wanted the industry to immediately go through restructuring. I thought infowars was always right and factual?
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9/6/2012 7:46:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:26:26 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office. False. Romney's spending shrank as governor when adjusted for inflation.

Spending Rose 5% under Romney every year. Assuming you blindly follow the Feds definition of inflation.
http://www.politifact.com...
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9/6/2012 7:49:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:26:26 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care. Their approaches were completely different. Romneycare is Massachusettscare, seeing as Romney opposed much of it. But it doesn't do a candidate good to say "I don't support this law that I signed".

Kidding right? Terrible argument, Romney has been on both sides of the issue.
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9/6/2012 7:50:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:43:57 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:26:26 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama's bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea. False. Romney opposed the bailout and wanted the industry to immediately go through restructuring. I thought infowars was always right and factual?



1 - Clip lied. GM has not paid back its bailout. They are currently, IIRC, $15 billion short. Not to mention the $45 billion in taxes that they aren't having to pay.

2 - Romney did advocate what happened. GM was given billions of dollars to restructure... it didn't work. GM went bankrupt. Romney's plan? Let GM go bankrupt, so they can restructure and come out strong.

Sorry, but MSNBC lied(surprise).

It wasn't the bailout that saved the auto industry. It was them going through bankruptcy, and it could have been handled much better.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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9/6/2012 7:51:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:26:26 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans. Uh... seriously? THIS IS THE SITE YOU GET YOUR FACTS FROM?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??! So, cutting tax rates across the board now qualifies as keeping rates at the exact same level? So full of fail.

? I can't even follow you're logic anymore. Neither candidate has proposed across the board tax cuts. The only difference in income tax policy is the 5% for the highest tax bracket.
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9/6/2012 7:52:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:46:39 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:26:26 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office. False. Romney's spending shrank as governor when adjusted for inflation.

Spending Rose 5% under Romney every year. Assuming you blindly follow the Feds definition of inflation.
http://www.politifact.com...

FROM YOUR OWN LINK!

"For the inflation-adjusted numbers, spending fell by about three-tenths of 1 percent over the five-year period discussed above, or by about four-tenths of 1 percent percent over the three-year alternative period. Those are small declines, but they are declines."
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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9/6/2012 7:53:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:50:03 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:43:57 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:26:26 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama's bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea. False. Romney opposed the bailout and wanted the industry to immediately go through restructuring. I thought infowars was always right and factual?



1 - Clip lied. GM has not paid back its bailout. They are currently, IIRC, $15 billion short. Not to mention the $45 billion in taxes that they aren't having to pay.

2 - Romney did advocate what happened. GM was given billions of dollars to restructure... it didn't work. GM went bankrupt. Romney's plan? Let GM go bankrupt, so they can restructure and come out strong.

Sorry, but MSNBC lied(surprise).

It wasn't the bailout that saved the auto industry. It was them going through bankruptcy, and it could have been handled much better.

What worked or didn't work is irrelevant, both Romney and Obama supported the same policy, that is government funded bailout.
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9/6/2012 7:57:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:51:11 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:26:26 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans. Uh... seriously? THIS IS THE SITE YOU GET YOUR FACTS FROM?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??! So, cutting tax rates across the board now qualifies as keeping rates at the exact same level? So full of fail.

? I can't even follow you're logic anymore. Neither candidate has proposed across the board tax cuts. The only difference in income tax policy is the 5% for the highest tax bracket.

Wow...

Just wow...

See, this is what I get frustrated with. Romney hasn't propsed tax cuts, huh?

http://www.mittromney.com...

Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates

What is a 'cut in marginal rates' if it isn't a cut?
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9/6/2012 7:58:27 PM
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"29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University."

What a joke.

More similarities between Obama and Romney:

41. Both have two eyes.
42. Both are men.
43. Neither is a Russian named Stepan.
44. Both are alive.
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9/6/2012 7:58:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:53:06 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:50:03 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:43:57 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:26:26 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama's bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea. False. Romney opposed the bailout and wanted the industry to immediately go through restructuring. I thought infowars was always right and factual?



1 - Clip lied. GM has not paid back its bailout. They are currently, IIRC, $15 billion short. Not to mention the $45 billion in taxes that they aren't having to pay.

2 - Romney did advocate what happened. GM was given billions of dollars to restructure... it didn't work. GM went bankrupt. Romney's plan? Let GM go bankrupt, so they can restructure and come out strong.

Sorry, but MSNBC lied(surprise).

It wasn't the bailout that saved the auto industry. It was them going through bankruptcy, and it could have been handled much better.

What worked or didn't work is irrelevant, both Romney and Obama supported the same policy, that is government funded bailout.

NO. ROMNEY DIDN"T SUPPORT THE BAILOUT.

Romney supported GM going through bankruptcy. Not being handed checks. They are not the same thing.
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9/6/2012 8:12:00 PM
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At 9/6/2012 7:58:27 PM, LeafRod wrote:
"29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University."

What a joke.

More similarities between Obama and Romney:

41. Both have two eyes.
42. Both are men.
43. Neither is a Russian named Stepan.
44. Both are alive.

45. Both are (ALLEGEDLY) human.
46. Both are controlled by the Illluminati.
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9/6/2012 8:27:48 PM
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If the guy that gets all of his arguments and worldviews from memes and infowars supports Gary Johnson........ Then thats all the reason I need to not vote for Gary Johnson.....
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9/6/2012 8:30:04 PM
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At 9/6/2012 8:27:48 PM, imabench wrote:
If the guy that gets all of his arguments and worldviews from memes and infowars supports Gary Johnson........ Then thats all the reason I need to not vote for Gary Johnson.....

My favorite part, is if you ask him to defend something that infowars posts... he'll quote infowars...
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9/6/2012 8:30:25 PM
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At 9/6/2012 8:12:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:58:27 PM, LeafRod wrote:
"29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University."

What a joke.

More similarities between Obama and Romney:

41. Both have two eyes.
42. Both are men.
43. Neither is a Russian named Stepan.
44. Both are alive.

45. Both are (ALLEGEDLY) human.
46. Both are controlled by the Illluminati.

47. Both have families
48. Both want to be president
49. Both have the letter M in their last name
50. Both have money

Cant trust them at all
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9/6/2012 8:30:48 PM
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At 9/6/2012 8:30:04 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 9/6/2012 8:27:48 PM, imabench wrote:
If the guy that gets all of his arguments and worldviews from memes and infowars supports Gary Johnson........ Then thats all the reason I need to not vote for Gary Johnson.....

My favorite part, is if you ask him to defend something that infowars posts... he'll quote infowars...

^^^^
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9/6/2012 9:09:14 PM
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At 9/6/2012 7:15:44 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"Oh, youre voting for the lesser of two evils? Tell me how voting for evil has been working out for you."
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