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EvanK
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9/7/2012 9:53:26 PM
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"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the Government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them"_Thomas Jefferson

We could certainly use Jefferson today... :-/
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9/7/2012 10:06:09 PM
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At 9/7/2012 9:53:26 PM, EvanK wrote:


"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the Government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them"_Thomas Jefferson

We could certainly use Jefferson today... :-/

"Civilization, therefore, or that which is so-called, has operated two ways: to make one part of society more affluent, and the other more wretched, than would have been the lot of either in a natural state."

We could certainly use Paine today... :-/
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9/7/2012 10:25:39 PM
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We are free today substantially but the day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility. It will be impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. A republic cannot stand upon bayonets, and when that day comes, when the wealth of the nation will be in the hands of a few, then we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation to the changed conditions.

-James Madison
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9/7/2012 10:26:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/7/2012 10:25:39 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
We are free today substantially but the day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility. It will be impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. A republic cannot stand upon bayonets, and when that day comes, when the wealth of the nation will be in the hands of a few, then we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation to the changed conditions.

-James Madison

Good thing thats not the case.
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9/7/2012 10:29:32 PM
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At 9/7/2012 10:26:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/7/2012 10:25:39 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
We are free today substantially but the day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility. It will be impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. A republic cannot stand upon bayonets, and when that day comes, when the wealth of the nation will be in the hands of a few, then we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation to the changed conditions.

-James Madison

Good thing thats not the case.

Even If your someone, like myself, who doesn't see income inequality in a nation as a bad thing, you really can't deny that there is a high degree of wealth concentration and income inequality.
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9/7/2012 10:36:07 PM
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At 9/7/2012 10:29:32 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/7/2012 10:26:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/7/2012 10:25:39 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
We are free today substantially but the day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility. It will be impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. A republic cannot stand upon bayonets, and when that day comes, when the wealth of the nation will be in the hands of a few, then we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation to the changed conditions.

-James Madison

Good thing thats not the case.

Even If your someone, like myself, who doesn't see income inequality in a nation as a bad thing, you really can't deny that there is a high degree of wealth concentration and income inequality.

Except that it isn't the inequality in itself that's the problem, but the means of creating that inequality and sustaining it. Everyone is owed the opportunity to climb up the social ladder in accordance with their education, work ethic, and ability,...and should not be closed out because those at the top monopolize their position.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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9/7/2012 10:37:44 PM
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At 9/7/2012 10:29:32 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/7/2012 10:26:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/7/2012 10:25:39 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
We are free today substantially but the day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility. It will be impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. A republic cannot stand upon bayonets, and when that day comes, when the wealth of the nation will be in the hands of a few, then we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation to the changed conditions.

-James Madison

Good thing thats not the case.

Even If your someone, like myself, who doesn't see income inequality in a nation as a bad thing, you really can't deny that there is a high degree of wealth concentration and income inequality.

I see it as the vast amount of people that have a good idea, have good work ethic, can make a good living.

Some are luckier than others, but thats something you can't fix.
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9/7/2012 10:37:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/7/2012 10:26:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/7/2012 10:25:39 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
We are free today substantially but the day will come when our Republic will be an impossibility. It will be impossibility because wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. A republic cannot stand upon bayonets, and when that day comes, when the wealth of the nation will be in the hands of a few, then we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation to the changed conditions.

-James Madison

Good thing thats not the case.

Watch yourself Ober >:)
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9/7/2012 10:42:13 PM
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"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. No President should fear public scrutinity of his program. For from that scrutiny comes understanding; and from that understanding comes support or opposition. And both are necessary. I am not asking your newspapers to support the Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed. I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers-- I welcome it. This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them. Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed-- and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First (emphasized) Amendment-- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution-- not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants"--but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.

-John F. Kennedy
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9/7/2012 11:26:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Jefferson:

The man who reads nothing at all is better than educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.