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imabench
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9/8/2012 3:59:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Gary Johnson is currently running as a third party candidate in the general election as we all know, but a thought occurred to me and I would really love to hear from the libertarians out there.

Where do you realistically put Gary Johnson in the % of votes he will get? Do you think he will get 2% of the vote, 5%, 10%, 15% or something else?

Then compared to the % you realistically think he would get, what percentage of the vote would you be disappointed in hearing him getting. Would you consider it bad that he only got 5% of the vote?
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9/8/2012 4:09:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 3:59:58 PM, imabench wrote:
Gary Johnson is currently running as a third party candidate in the general election as we all know, but a thought occurred to me and I would really love to hear from the libertarians out there.

Where do you realistically put Gary Johnson in the % of votes he will get? Do you think he will get 2% of the vote, 5%, 10%, 15% or something else?

Then compared to the % you realistically think he would get, what percentage of the vote would you be disappointed in hearing him getting. Would you consider it bad that he only got 5% of the vote?

Lucky If he gets 1%. Previous libertarian only got 0.40%. Also, Gary Johnson left the republican party because he couldn't get enough popular support for him to get into the debates, in which he needed 2% popularity to get in.
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9/8/2012 4:10:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 4:09:04 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/8/2012 3:59:58 PM, imabench wrote:
Gary Johnson is currently running as a third party candidate in the general election as we all know, but a thought occurred to me and I would really love to hear from the libertarians out there.

Where do you realistically put Gary Johnson in the % of votes he will get? Do you think he will get 2% of the vote, 5%, 10%, 15% or something else?

Then compared to the % you realistically think he would get, what percentage of the vote would you be disappointed in hearing him getting. Would you consider it bad that he only got 5% of the vote?

Lucky If he gets 1%. Previous libertarian only got 0.40%......

So your hoping for 1% and would be disappointed if he only got .40% like libertarians before him?
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9/8/2012 4:20:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 4:10:50 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:09:04 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/8/2012 3:59:58 PM, imabench wrote:
Gary Johnson is currently running as a third party candidate in the general election as we all know, but a thought occurred to me and I would really love to hear from the libertarians out there.

Where do you realistically put Gary Johnson in the % of votes he will get? Do you think he will get 2% of the vote, 5%, 10%, 15% or something else?

Then compared to the % you realistically think he would get, what percentage of the vote would you be disappointed in hearing him getting. Would you consider it bad that he only got 5% of the vote?

Lucky If he gets 1%. Previous libertarian only got 0.40%......

So your hoping for 1% and would be disappointed if he only got .40% like libertarians before him?

Pretty much. I know he cannot win; though I feel it's time to protest against the current government and vote for him to make a statement.
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9/8/2012 4:20:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
You know, if Libertarians called themselves conservative Republicans while subtly advocating Libertarian policies, they'd actually have a shot. But no, they need to flamboyantly force some foreign ideology down America's throat while calling everyone in the mainstream stupid or ignorant....and then they scratch their heads, bemused, when their spokesmen fail.

No strategic acumen whatsoever.
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9/8/2012 4:23:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 4:10:50 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:09:04 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/8/2012 3:59:58 PM, imabench wrote:
Gary Johnson is currently running as a third party candidate in the general election as we all know, but a thought occurred to me and I would really love to hear from the libertarians out there.

Where do you realistically put Gary Johnson in the % of votes he will get? Do you think he will get 2% of the vote, 5%, 10%, 15% or something else?

Then compared to the % you realistically think he would get, what percentage of the vote would you be disappointed in hearing him getting. Would you consider it bad that he only got 5% of the vote?

Lucky If he gets 1%. Previous libertarian only got 0.40%......

So your hoping for 1% and would be disappointed if he only got .40% like libertarians before him?

I don't even know If I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

The problem is that he's a moderate libertarian. So radical libertarians are not going to accept him and write-in Ron Paul or not vote. While moderate libertarians, thinking more pragmatically will vote Mitt Romney as the lesser of two evils.
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9/8/2012 4:45:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 4:20:05 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:10:50 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:09:04 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/8/2012 3:59:58 PM, imabench wrote:
Gary Johnson is currently running as a third party candidate in the general election as we all know, but a thought occurred to me and I would really love to hear from the libertarians out there.

Where do you realistically put Gary Johnson in the % of votes he will get? Do you think he will get 2% of the vote, 5%, 10%, 15% or something else?

Then compared to the % you realistically think he would get, what percentage of the vote would you be disappointed in hearing him getting. Would you consider it bad that he only got 5% of the vote?

Lucky If he gets 1%. Previous libertarian only got 0.40%......

So your hoping for 1% and would be disappointed if he only got .40% like libertarians before him?

Pretty much. I know he cannot win; though I feel it's time to protest against the current government and vote for him to make a statement.

I understand that that is the mentality behind libertarians for this election, Im just wondering what they feel would be making a statement in terms of % of support he gets
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9/8/2012 5:15:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 4:09:04 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/8/2012 3:59:58 PM, imabench wrote:
Gary Johnson is currently running as a third party candidate in the general election as we all know, but a thought occurred to me and I would really love to hear from the libertarians out there.

Where do you realistically put Gary Johnson in the % of votes he will get? Do you think he will get 2% of the vote, 5%, 10%, 15% or something else?

Then compared to the % you realistically think he would get, what percentage of the vote would you be disappointed in hearing him getting. Would you consider it bad that he only got 5% of the vote?

Lucky If he gets 1%. Previous libertarian only got 0.40%. Also, Gary Johnson left the republican party because he couldn't get enough popular support for him to get into the debates, in which he needed 2% popularity to get in.

1% would be an optimistic hope. But it isn't entirely unrealistic. He isn't that low in New Mexico, I believe he is running about 5% there.
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9/8/2012 5:16:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 4:20:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
You know, if Libertarians called themselves conservative Republicans while subtly advocating Libertarian policies, they'd actually have a shot. But no, they need to flamboyantly force some foreign ideology down America's throat while calling everyone in the mainstream stupid or ignorant....and then they scratch their heads, bemused, when their spokesmen fail.

No strategic acumen whatsoever.

Except for the slight problem that libertarians are nothing- neither socially nor economically- like Republicans.
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9/8/2012 5:26:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 5:16:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:20:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
You know, if Libertarians called themselves conservative Republicans while subtly advocating Libertarian policies, they'd actually have a shot. But no, they need to flamboyantly force some foreign ideology down America's throat while calling everyone in the mainstream stupid or ignorant....and then they scratch their heads, bemused, when their spokesmen fail.

No strategic acumen whatsoever.

Except for the slight problem that libertarians are nothing- neither socially nor economically- like Republicans.

Economically very similar in almost all groups, socially differ but a faction of republicans (and a major one at that) being neoliberals (e.g. Ron Paul) meaning that there's a lot of grouping.

But the separation is good for politics, even if they only garner 1% support.
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9/8/2012 7:07:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 5:26:32 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 9/8/2012 5:16:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:20:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
You know, if Libertarians called themselves conservative Republicans while subtly advocating Libertarian policies, they'd actually have a shot. But no, they need to flamboyantly force some foreign ideology down America's throat while calling everyone in the mainstream stupid or ignorant....and then they scratch their heads, bemused, when their spokesmen fail.

No strategic acumen whatsoever.

Except for the slight problem that libertarians are nothing- neither socially nor economically- like Republicans.

Economically very similar in almost all groups,

Not at all. The Republicans are at best rather moderate. Economically, they still support a big government- just in different ways than Democrats. The libertarians, on the other hand, are actually genuinely fiscally conservative and more or less abhor all government.
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9/8/2012 7:52:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
they'd actually have a shot. But no, they need to flamboyantly force some foreign ideology down America's throat
Right-libertarianism is quite natively an American ideology. Indeed, it's just a logically consistent version of classical libertarianism, which is THE American ideology to anyone who knows their revolutionary history. Anyone not closer to libertarianism than one of the two major parties is un-American.
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9/9/2012 5:23:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 7:07:13 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/8/2012 5:26:32 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 9/8/2012 5:16:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:20:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
You know, if Libertarians called themselves conservative Republicans while subtly advocating Libertarian policies, they'd actually have a shot. But no, they need to flamboyantly force some foreign ideology down America's throat while calling everyone in the mainstream stupid or ignorant....and then they scratch their heads, bemused, when their spokesmen fail.

No strategic acumen whatsoever.

Except for the slight problem that libertarians are nothing- neither socially nor economically- like Republicans.

Economically very similar in almost all groups,

Not at all. The Republicans are at best rather moderate. Economically, they still support a big government- just in different ways than Democrats. The libertarians, on the other hand, are actually genuinely fiscally conservative and more or less abhor all government.

Learn your political factions, please. See: Fiscal Conservatives; Libertarian Republicans.
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9/9/2012 8:00:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I get the impression that libertarians feel like everyone else is taking crazy pills for seeing a left-right continuum when they see two dimensions. But there's no contradiction in the Republicans' pro-military, pro-church, anti-tax stance. They are the regressive party without exception. The libertarians simply fail to see that their very notions of liberty, from which they construct their 2-dimensional space, are historically determined and as laughable as American colonists crying out for the freedom to enslave.
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9/9/2012 8:25:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 5:26:32 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 9/8/2012 5:16:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:20:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
You know, if Libertarians called themselves conservative Republicans while subtly advocating Libertarian policies, they'd actually have a shot. But no, they need to flamboyantly force some foreign ideology down America's throat while calling everyone in the mainstream stupid or ignorant....and then they scratch their heads, bemused, when their spokesmen fail.

No strategic acumen whatsoever.

Except for the slight problem that libertarians are nothing- neither socially nor economically- like Republicans.

Economically very similar in almost all groups, socially differ but a faction of republicans (and a major one at that) being neoliberals (e.g. Ron Paul) meaning that there's a lot of grouping.

But the separation is good for politics, even if they only garner 1% support.

Paul is a paleoconservative--which is a kind of libertarian, but a weak version of one.
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9/9/2012 11:22:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 3:59:58 PM, imabench wrote:
Gary Johnson is currently running as a third party candidate in the general election as we all know, but a thought occurred to me and I would really love to hear from the libertarians out there.

Where do you realistically put Gary Johnson in the % of votes he will get? Do you think he will get 2% of the vote, 5%, 10%, 15% or something else?

Then compared to the % you realistically think he would get, what percentage of the vote would you be disappointed in hearing him getting. Would you consider it bad that he only got 5% of the vote?

Genuine Libertarians don't vote.
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9/9/2012 11:23:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 7:52:44 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
they'd actually have a shot. But no, they need to flamboyantly force some foreign ideology down America's throat
Right-libertarianism is quite natively an American ideology. Indeed, it's just a logically consistent version of classical libertarianism, which is THE American ideology to anyone who knows their revolutionary history. Anyone not closer to libertarianism than one of the two major parties is un-American.

But healthcare is a right! [continues to produce economic fallacies and emotionalism]
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9/10/2012 1:40:24 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm hoping 0%, because the higher his % the more likely Obama will be reelected. He is just weakening the republican vote. We need more libertarian congressmen before trying to put a libertarian in the white house.
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9/10/2012 9:24:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate, is polling with 5%. That is not too bad for a 3rd party candidate.
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9/10/2012 9:31:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 9:24:47 PM, Contra wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate, is polling with 5%. That is not too bad for a 3rd party candidate.

4%? that just may be enough to f*ck up romney's chances of winning....
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9/10/2012 10:53:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 9:31:24 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/10/2012 9:24:47 PM, Contra wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate, is polling with 5%. That is not too bad for a 3rd party candidate.

4%? that just may be enough to f*ck up romney's chances of winning....

*imabench returns to his castle in order to compile the numbers*
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9/10/2012 10:55:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 10:53:10 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 9/10/2012 9:31:24 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/10/2012 9:24:47 PM, Contra wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate, is polling with 5%. That is not too bad for a 3rd party candidate.

4%? that just may be enough to f*ck up romney's chances of winning...

Johnson steals Obamas votes in a few states


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9/10/2012 11:00:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/9/2012 5:23:59 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 9/8/2012 7:07:13 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/8/2012 5:26:32 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 9/8/2012 5:16:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:20:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
You know, if Libertarians called themselves conservative Republicans while subtly advocating Libertarian policies, they'd actually have a shot. But no, they need to flamboyantly force some foreign ideology down America's throat while calling everyone in the mainstream stupid or ignorant....and then they scratch their heads, bemused, when their spokesmen fail.

No strategic acumen whatsoever.

Except for the slight problem that libertarians are nothing- neither socially nor economically- like Republicans.

Economically very similar in almost all groups,

Not at all. The Republicans are at best rather moderate. Economically, they still support a big government- just in different ways than Democrats. The libertarians, on the other hand, are actually genuinely fiscally conservative and more or less abhor all government.

Learn your political factions, please. See: Fiscal Conservatives; Libertarian Republicans.

Excellent reply, which entailed absolutely nothing of value. The Republicans are not any of those.
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9/10/2012 11:09:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 4:23:43 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I don't even know If I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

That makes you de facto fascist.

The problem is that he's a moderate libertarian. So radical libertarians are not going to accept him and write-in Ron Paul or not vote. While moderate libertarians, thinking more pragmatically will vote Mitt Romney as the lesser of two evils.

Where on earth did you hear that blatantly false info. Gary Johnson is not moderate Libertarian. According to official rankings, he's ranked higher than Ron Paul on civil liberties. In fact, he's ranked #1.

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9/10/2012 11:46:55 PM
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I say 1-2%, but he will pull equal amounts from Obama and Romney, more likely from Obama, contrary to popular belief.

And wtf, are people actually arguing whether or not Republicanism and Libertarianism are actually similar? Really?

First, they are on opposite ends of the social spectrum. That cannot be argued.

Second, most Republicans and all Republican politicians support so much government control in the economy that they might as well be Democrats. What do you think trickle-down economics is?
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9/11/2012 12:37:13 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 11:09:41 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:23:43 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I don't even know If I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

That makes you de facto fascist.

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9/11/2012 11:27:41 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 11:09:41 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:23:43 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I don't even know If I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

That makes you de facto fascist.

Not voting for Gary Johnson =/= Anti-Libertarian

There are 4 main political coalitions; Conservatives, Progressives, Fascists, and Libertarians. The political spectrum is not black and white; simply because you are not a libertarian does not make you a fascist. That's like saying by not voting Romney you are de facto progressive.

Fascists are divided into 2 groups;
Left Wing: Socialists
Right Wing: Nationalists

Libertarians are divided into 2 groups;
Left Wing: Anarchists
Right Wing: Classic Liberals

Progressives are divided into 2 groups;
Collectivist: Populists
Individualist: Social/Radical Liberals

Conservatives are divided into 2 groups;
Collectivist: Traditional Conservatives
Individualist: (classic) Liberal Conservatives
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9/11/2012 11:35:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 11:09:41 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:23:43 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I don't even know If I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

That makes you de facto fascist.

The problem is that he's a moderate libertarian. So radical libertarians are not going to accept him and write-in Ron Paul or not vote. While moderate libertarians, thinking more pragmatically will vote Mitt Romney as the lesser of two evils.

Where on earth did you hear that blatantly false info. Gary Johnson is not moderate Libertarian. According to official rankings, he's ranked higher than Ron Paul on civil liberties. In fact, he's ranked #1.


As far as I'm concerned, New Mexico doesn't have prostitutes and heroin legalized, along with no government spending except for defense. Gary Johnson said he'll legalize marijuana and end the war on drugs. However he never said that "heroin should be legalized" like Ron Paul has. He doesn't advocate a gold standard like Ron Paul does. He's not an austrian economist like Ron Paul is.





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9/11/2012 3:04:09 PM
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At 9/11/2012 11:27:41 AM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 11:09:41 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/8/2012 4:23:43 PM, darkkermit wrote:
I don't even know If I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

That makes you de facto fascist.

Not voting for Gary Johnson =/= Anti-Libertarian

There are 4 main political coalitions; Conservatives, Progressives, Fascists, and Libertarians. The political spectrum is not black and white; simply because you are not a libertarian does not make you a fascist. That's like saying by not voting Romney you are de facto progressive.

False. By not voting for Romney that could mean you are voting for either Obama, Johnson, or noone (bar write ins and Stein). So you could be any sort of ideology.

By not voting for Gary Johnson you are either voting for Obama (fascist), Romney (fascist), or noone (complicit with fascism).

Fascists are divided into 2 groups;
Left Wing: Socialists
Right Wing: Nationalists

Libertarians are divided into 2 groups;
Left Wing: Anarchists
Right Wing: Classic Liberals

Progressives are divided into 2 groups;
Collectivist: Populists
Individualist: Social/Radical Liberals


Conservatives are divided into 2 groups;
Collectivist: Traditional Conservatives
Individualist: (classic) Liberal Conservatives

I disagree with those categorizations.

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9/11/2012 6:43:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/8/2012 4:20:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
You know, if Libertarians called themselves conservative Republicans while subtly advocating Libertarian policies, they'd actually have a shot. But no, they need to flamboyantly force some foreign ideology down America's throat while calling everyone in the mainstream stupid or ignorant....and then they scratch their heads, bemused, when their spokesmen fail.

No strategic acumen whatsoever.

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