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9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.
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9/10/2012 1:49:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power.

That is an absurd statement. He's not just trying to be President, he's fighting for liberty. He knows he has an impossible chance of winning, yet he continues to work hard to spread his message despite knowing he list the general election.

Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

He takes votes from both sides equally.
Romney and Obama have the SAME policies and are both funded by the same people. Why can't you understand that.

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9/10/2012 2:24:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 1:49:50 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power.

That is an absurd statement. He's not just trying to be President, he's fighting for liberty. He knows he has an impossible chance of winning, yet he continues to work hard to spread his message despite knowing he list the general election.

He says he's fighting for liberty. Really he is more concerned about his own political career.
Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

He takes votes from both sides equally.
Romney and Obama have the SAME policies and are both funded by the same people. Why can't you understand that.



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9/10/2012 2:55:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause.

I'm trying to hold back calling you an incompetent cretin. Oh, crap, there it goes... It is an open secret that Ron Paul's campaign was really about education all along. And in that regard, Ron Paul's campaign was wildly successful. Chances are, any young libertarian you meet today will tell you that their chief influence in becoming a libertarian was Ron Paul. Ron Paul has swelled the ranks of the liberty movement to a greater extent than perhaps any other individual in history. If that's not success, I don't know what is.
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If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

Romney = Obama, and as jat wrote in one thread, Obama is actually closer to a Libertarian than Romney. The point is the candidates are identical shills for corporations, so it doesn't matter who gets elected. Without Ron Paul campaigning in this election and getting involved in debates and interviews, many people would not have become Libertarians/Anarchists.
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9/10/2012 3:53:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

You sir have earned 1000 Bench points and are much smarter then I ever gave you credit for

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9/10/2012 6:12:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it.

I doubt he will run for President ever again. He ran for President 3 times. The vast majority of people who have a chance at getting the Presidency want it for the wrong reasons. However, the people who run to make a statement, and base their campaigns on ideas, even though they know it means they probably won't win, usually aren't looking for power. Take Ralph Nader who ran several times, and Eugene Debs who ran 4 times I think (once from prison!) Nader, Debs, and Paul were honest and principled and run to spread their ideas, which they believe in passionately, despite the extremely low chance either of them ever had at winning.

His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause.

Have you seen Gary Johnson's popularity/appeal/name recognition/grassroots support campaigned to any libertarian candidate for the last several decades? Have you observed how in 2012 Ron Paul received double or triple the amount of votes he got in 2008 in most states? Have you noticed the influence Paul has had on the Republican conversation? All this talk about the Fed, the slight decrease in hawkishness/acceptability of a more non-interventionist foreign policy on fiscally responsibe grounds, the debt, out of control spending.... This stems from the Tea Party which started as a rally for Paul's campaign in 2007. Ron Paul is the best thing the libertarian movement has seen in... ever?

If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

Ever consider that he doesn't think there's much of a difference between the policies that would result from electing either candidate? Do you really think Ron Paul doesn't care about libertarianism, the constitution, etc? This is a guy who has consistently voted for decades in line with the constitution, this is a guy who is an economics/history scholar, this is a guy who says what he believes regardless of the reaction his audience will give him. If there's one detriment Ron Paul has, it's certainly not that he cares more about his own power than advancing the libertarian movement.
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9/10/2012 6:20:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

Here's a good way to test your theory that Ron Paul cares more about seizing power in government than he does about advancing the ideals he supports.

If he were given a choice between a high ranking government position but no libertarian influence on policies, and having no personal influence on government but having the government enact libertarian policies, which do you think he would choose?

I don't have much doubt that Ron Paul would rather be an average citizen in a society where the government implemented libertarian ideas on domestic, foreign, fiscal policies than be a government workers in a society where government is anything but libertarian. Say what you will about him but one thing that can't reasonably be denied is that this guy freaking cares about his message.

For decades, Ron Paul was a lone voice in Congress (or close to it) for fiscal sanity, non-interventionism, and civil liberties. In the last 5 years he has received recognition for it, but for about 30 years he didn't, and yet he went on speaking passionately against the status quo, and being totally ignored or ridiculed by it (usually ignored because noone even had to ridicule him.) Do you think it was fun for him to put so much time and effort into these causes and consistently be ignored for decades? Clearly he is a man of ideals, not hungry for power.
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9/10/2012 6:44:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 3:53:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

You sir have earned 1000 Bench points and are much smarter then I ever gave you credit for

*hug*

really? I thought this was a pretty bad comment. Ron Paul is an honest person that cares more about his core beliefs than party politics. That DanT actually believes that Mitt Romney will reduce the size of government is the dumbest belief he's ever announced....and THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.
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9/10/2012 6:53:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 6:44:23 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 3:53:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

You sir have earned 1000 Bench points and are much smarter then I ever gave you credit for

*hug*

really? I thought this was a pretty bad comment. Ron Paul is an honest person that cares more about his core beliefs than party politics. That DanT actually believes that Mitt Romney will reduce the size of government is the dumbest belief he's ever announced....and THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.

If he got rid of Obamacare, thats like 30% less government, maybe more. Hyperbole, but still.
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9/10/2012 7:00:21 PM
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At 9/10/2012 6:44:23 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 3:53:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

You sir have earned 1000 Bench points and are much smarter then I ever gave you credit for

*hug*

really? I thought this was a pretty bad comment. Ron Paul is an honest person that cares more about his core beliefs than party politics. That DanT actually believes that Mitt Romney will reduce the size of government is the dumbest belief he's ever announced....and THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.

I don't think he said Romney will be the best ever, I think he is saying Paul is hurting the election and Romney is better then the alternative...
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9/10/2012 7:01:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 6:44:23 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 3:53:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

You sir have earned 1000 Bench points and are much smarter then I ever gave you credit for

*hug*

really? I thought this was a pretty bad comment. Ron Paul is an honest person that cares more about his core beliefs than party politics. That DanT actually believes that Mitt Romney will reduce the size of government is the dumbest belief he's ever announced....and THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.

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9/10/2012 7:04:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 6:53:32 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/10/2012 6:44:23 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 3:53:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

You sir have earned 1000 Bench points and are much smarter then I ever gave you credit for

*hug*

really? I thought this was a pretty bad comment. Ron Paul is an honest person that cares more about his core beliefs than party politics. That DanT actually believes that Mitt Romney will reduce the size of government is the dumbest belief he's ever announced....and THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.

If he got rid of Obamacare, thats like 30% less government, maybe more. Hyperbole, but still.

lmao you mean the healthcare policy he pioneered,....and then revoked when the campaign started and then eventually said he'd FULLY repeal since the general election started...that he JUST TODAY flipflopped on and said, you know what, he'll keep some parts of it?...That's who you trust to reduce government? The guy who opposes the withdrawal from Iraq and opposes the waning down on Afghanistan? The guy who thinks that government should stop women from having abortion?

THAT is who you trust to reduce government? lol This is why I think many Libertarians are just partisan zealots in disguise. No one with even the slightest genuine opposition to government intervention will EVER so much as consider voting for Mitt Romney. Any Libertarian that does is irredeemably stupid. (I'm a lot more offensive today for some reason, I don't really mean it that harshly)
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9/10/2012 7:08:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

Yeah how exactly are democrats fascist?
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9/10/2012 7:10:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 7:04:16 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 6:53:32 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/10/2012 6:44:23 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 3:53:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

You sir have earned 1000 Bench points and are much smarter then I ever gave you credit for

*hug*

really? I thought this was a pretty bad comment. Ron Paul is an honest person that cares more about his core beliefs than party politics. That DanT actually believes that Mitt Romney will reduce the size of government is the dumbest belief he's ever announced....and THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.

If he got rid of Obamacare, thats like 30% less government, maybe more. Hyperbole, but still.

lmao you mean the healthcare policy he pioneered,....and then revoked when the campaign started and then eventually said he'd FULLY repeal since the general election started...that he JUST TODAY flipflopped on and said, you know what, he'll keep some parts of it?...That's who you trust to reduce government? The guy who opposes the withdrawal from Iraq and opposes the waning down on Afghanistan? The guy who thinks that government should stop women from having abortion?

THAT is who you trust to reduce government? lol This is why I think many Libertarians are just partisan zealots in disguise. No one with even the slightest genuine opposition to government intervention will EVER so much as consider voting for Mitt Romney. Any Libertarian that does is irredeemably stupid. (I'm a lot more offensive today for some reason, I don't really mean it that harshly)

Well, I'm partially Libertarian, Partially Conservative.

But one thing I hate to let govern me is what "Libertarians/Conservatives are supposed to do."

I choose stuff cause my own goddamn opinion on it, NOT because someone says this is against Libertarian ideals.

And, I don't really care about flipflopping, as long as its genuine opinion change, with Romney, I dunno which, but I know hes a better candidate than Obama, so I don't really care that much. And, for me, keeping woman from having an abortion translates to, keeping people from killing innocent babies, so I think government can regulate that.

And, none of your points addressed how he would increase government more than Obama.
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9/10/2012 7:10:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 7:08:12 PM, rogue wrote:
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

Yeah how exactly are democrats fascist?

He called Obama fascist, not the party.
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9/10/2012 7:15:08 PM
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At 9/10/2012 7:10:06 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:04:16 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 6:53:32 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/10/2012 6:44:23 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 3:53:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

You sir have earned 1000 Bench points and are much smarter then I ever gave you credit for

*hug*

really? I thought this was a pretty bad comment. Ron Paul is an honest person that cares more about his core beliefs than party politics. That DanT actually believes that Mitt Romney will reduce the size of government is the dumbest belief he's ever announced....and THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.

If he got rid of Obamacare, thats like 30% less government, maybe more. Hyperbole, but still.

lmao you mean the healthcare policy he pioneered,....and then revoked when the campaign started and then eventually said he'd FULLY repeal since the general election started...that he JUST TODAY flipflopped on and said, you know what, he'll keep some parts of it?...That's who you trust to reduce government? The guy who opposes the withdrawal from Iraq and opposes the waning down on Afghanistan? The guy who thinks that government should stop women from having abortion?

THAT is who you trust to reduce government? lol This is why I think many Libertarians are just partisan zealots in disguise. No one with even the slightest genuine opposition to government intervention will EVER so much as consider voting for Mitt Romney. Any Libertarian that does is irredeemably stupid. (I'm a lot more offensive today for some reason, I don't really mean it that harshly)

Well, I'm partially Libertarian, Partially Conservative.

But one thing I hate to let govern me is what "Libertarians/Conservatives are supposed to do."

I choose stuff cause my own goddamn opinion on it, NOT because someone says this is against Libertarian ideals.

And, I don't really care about flipflopping, as long as its genuine opinion change, with Romney, I dunno which, but I know hes a better candidate than Obama, so I don't really care that much. And, for me, keeping woman from having an abortion translates to, keeping people from killing innocent babies, so I think government can regulate that.

And, none of your points addressed how he would increase government more than Obama.

No. My point is that Romney will not change ANYTHING. He is a spineless symptom of the status quo, AMPLIFIED since he has demonstrated no core political beliefs of his own. I'm willing to admit that Obama's flip flop on gay marriage had political motivations, now you should definitely be able to do the same. Romney has switched beliefs WHENEVER IT WAS EXPEDIENT. That should tell you that they aren't honest changes, if the frequency of change didn't already clue you in.

All I'm getting from you is that you just think Romney will be better because he has a little (R) by his name, standing for Republican. If you value freedom in any sense, that isn't the case, and don't pretend like it is.
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9/10/2012 7:18:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 7:15:08 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:10:06 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:04:16 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 6:53:32 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/10/2012 6:44:23 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 3:53:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

You sir have earned 1000 Bench points and are much smarter then I ever gave you credit for

*hug*

really? I thought this was a pretty bad comment. Ron Paul is an honest person that cares more about his core beliefs than party politics. That DanT actually believes that Mitt Romney will reduce the size of government is the dumbest belief he's ever announced....and THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.

If he got rid of Obamacare, thats like 30% less government, maybe more. Hyperbole, but still.

lmao you mean the healthcare policy he pioneered,....and then revoked when the campaign started and then eventually said he'd FULLY repeal since the general election started...that he JUST TODAY flipflopped on and said, you know what, he'll keep some parts of it?...That's who you trust to reduce government? The guy who opposes the withdrawal from Iraq and opposes the waning down on Afghanistan? The guy who thinks that government should stop women from having abortion?

THAT is who you trust to reduce government? lol This is why I think many Libertarians are just partisan zealots in disguise. No one with even the slightest genuine opposition to government intervention will EVER so much as consider voting for Mitt Romney. Any Libertarian that does is irredeemably stupid. (I'm a lot more offensive today for some reason, I don't really mean it that harshly)

Well, I'm partially Libertarian, Partially Conservative.

But one thing I hate to let govern me is what "Libertarians/Conservatives are supposed to do."

I choose stuff cause my own goddamn opinion on it, NOT because someone says this is against Libertarian ideals.

And, I don't really care about flipflopping, as long as its genuine opinion change, with Romney, I dunno which, but I know hes a better candidate than Obama, so I don't really care that much. And, for me, keeping woman from having an abortion translates to, keeping people from killing innocent babies, so I think government can regulate that.

And, none of your points addressed how he would increase government more than Obama.

No. My point is that Romney will not change ANYTHING. He is a spineless symptom of the status quo, AMPLIFIED since he has demonstrated no core political beliefs of his own. I'm willing to admit that Obama's flip flop on gay marriage had political motivations, now you should definitely be able to do the same. Romney has switched beliefs WHENEVER IT WAS EXPEDIENT. That should tell you that they aren't honest changes, if the frequency of change didn't already clue you in.

All I'm getting from you is that you just think Romney will be better because he has a little (R) by his name, standing for Republican. If you value freedom in any sense, that isn't the case, and don't pretend like it is.

I know that 1) He knows a hell of a lot more about how to fix things like our economy more than Obama. 2) I'll concede he flip flopped probably for political motivations. 3) He holds several of my core beliefs, like illegializing abortion, "You built that" mentality, ect.

Not to mention Obama has done squat to actually help the economy, besides throwing a couple trillion at it hoping it will help.
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9/10/2012 7:23:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 7:18:43 PM, OberHerr wrote:
He holds several of my core beliefs, like illegializing abortion

Dude he was FOR abortion before he was against it, before he was for it, before he was against it! WHAT CORE BELIEFS???
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
DanT
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9/10/2012 7:27:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 7:08:12 PM, rogue wrote:
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

Yeah how exactly are democrats fascist?

I'm getting really sick of repeating myself. If you want I can debate you.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
DanT
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9/10/2012 7:28:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 7:23:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:18:43 PM, OberHerr wrote:
He holds several of my core beliefs, like illegializing abortion

Dude he was FOR abortion before he was against it, before he was for it, before he was against it! WHAT CORE BELIEFS???

He was pro-life in 1988
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
Frederick53
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9/10/2012 7:29:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 6:44:23 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 3:53:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/10/2012 1:05:09 PM, DanT wrote:
I use to support the guy, but I now realize he is an opportunist. He has his sights set on the Presidency, and he won't stop until he gets it. His determination to seize power has lead to the sabotage of the libertarian cause. If he truly cared about libertarianism, and not about seizing power, he would put decreasing the size of government above increasing his own power. Instead he splits the Republican vote, helping a fascist-Democrat get reelected. I have lost all respect for the guy.

You sir have earned 1000 Bench points and are much smarter then I ever gave you credit for

*hug*

really? I thought this was a pretty bad comment. Ron Paul is an honest person that cares more about his core beliefs than party politics. That DanT actually believes that Mitt Romney will reduce the size of government is the dumbest belief he's ever announced....and THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.

Seconded
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Like no wonder that indian dude rejected you.- Darkkermit to royalpaladin

Social Darwinism is a justification- 1Historygenius

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000ike
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9/10/2012 7:32:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 7:28:37 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:23:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:18:43 PM, OberHerr wrote:
He holds several of my core beliefs, like illegializing abortion

Dude he was FOR abortion before he was against it, before he was for it, before he was against it! WHAT CORE BELIEFS???

He was pro-life in 1988

and again in 2002 - a belief he sustained up until this election cycle.

Nice try though
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
DanT
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9/10/2012 7:45:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 7:32:29 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:28:37 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:23:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:18:43 PM, OberHerr wrote:
He holds several of my core beliefs, like illegializing abortion

Dude he was FOR abortion before he was against it, before he was for it, before he was against it! WHAT CORE BELIEFS???

He was pro-life in 1988

and again in 2002 - a belief he sustained up until this election cycle.

Nice try though

Wait are you saying 2002 was before 1988?
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
Contra
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9/10/2012 7:47:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
000ike, how dare you say that Mitt Romney won't change the status quo.

I believe that he will pass some tax cuts, as well as explode the deficit, while making massive cuts in spending ranging around $30 or so billion. (end sarcasm)
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
000ike
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9/10/2012 7:48:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 7:45:03 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:32:29 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:28:37 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:23:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:18:43 PM, OberHerr wrote:
He holds several of my core beliefs, like illegializing abortion

Dude he was FOR abortion before he was against it, before he was for it, before he was against it! WHAT CORE BELIEFS???

He was pro-life in 1988

and again in 2002 - a belief he sustained up until this election cycle.

Nice try though

Wait are you saying 2002 was before 1988?

Oh, I thought you said pro-choice. I misread. Regardless, he's flipped too many times for it to be honest....and he's also flipped whenever it was politically expedient, which should be the giveaway.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
Frederick53
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9/10/2012 7:54:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Regardless, if an opportunist is willing to take a hatchet to the US government where it needs it most, I'd support him.
In 1975, the Second Vietnam War began -1Historygenius

Like no wonder that indian dude rejected you.- Darkkermit to royalpaladin

Social Darwinism is a justification- 1Historygenius

Equal opportunity exists, so there is no problem- EvanK
DanT
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9/10/2012 8:31:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 7:54:21 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Regardless, if an opportunist is willing to take a hatchet to the US government where it needs it most, I'd support him.

Than you are in the minority, and he has successfully under minded the very cause you are supporting.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
DanT
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9/10/2012 8:33:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 7:48:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:45:03 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:32:29 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:28:37 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:23:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:18:43 PM, OberHerr wrote:
He holds several of my core beliefs, like illegializing abortion

Dude he was FOR abortion before he was against it, before he was for it, before he was against it! WHAT CORE BELIEFS???

He was pro-life in 1988

and again in 2002 - a belief he sustained up until this election cycle.

Nice try though

Wait are you saying 2002 was before 1988?

Oh, I thought you said pro-choice. I misread. Regardless, he's flipped too many times for it to be honest....and he's also flipped whenever it was politically expedient, which should be the giveaway.

My point exactly. Flip flopping that much is a sure sign of an opportunist. He is trying to appeal to the voters.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
bossyburrito
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9/10/2012 8:36:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 8:33:32 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:48:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:45:03 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:32:29 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:28:37 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:23:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:18:43 PM, OberHerr wrote:
He holds several of my core beliefs, like illegializing abortion

Dude he was FOR abortion before he was against it, before he was for it, before he was against it! WHAT CORE BELIEFS???

He was pro-life in 1988

and again in 2002 - a belief he sustained up until this election cycle.

Nice try though

Wait are you saying 2002 was before 1988?

Oh, I thought you said pro-choice. I misread. Regardless, he's flipped too many times for it to be honest....and he's also flipped whenever it was politically expedient, which should be the giveaway.

My point exactly. Flip flopping that much is a sure sign of an opportunist. He is trying to appeal to the voters.

... So who do you want to vote for???
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Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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DanT
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9/10/2012 9:10:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/10/2012 8:36:27 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 9/10/2012 8:33:32 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:48:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:45:03 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:32:29 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:28:37 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:23:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/10/2012 7:18:43 PM, OberHerr wrote:
He holds several of my core beliefs, like illegializing abortion

Dude he was FOR abortion before he was against it, before he was for it, before he was against it! WHAT CORE BELIEFS???

He was pro-life in 1988

and again in 2002 - a belief he sustained up until this election cycle.

Nice try though

Wait are you saying 2002 was before 1988?

Oh, I thought you said pro-choice. I misread. Regardless, he's flipped too many times for it to be honest....and he's also flipped whenever it was politically expedient, which should be the giveaway.

My point exactly. Flip flopping that much is a sure sign of an opportunist. He is trying to appeal to the voters.

... So who do you want to vote for???

Romney; out of the 2 people with an actual chance, he is the most individualist.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle