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9/11/2012 4:17:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm not saying Bush caused 9/11, but its certainly possible that he had advanced knowledge of it and decided to let it happen.

Doesn't this seem like Bush is acting out of the ordinary when answering the question.
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9/11/2012 4:20:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Acting out of the ordinary =/= HE KNEW ALL ABOUT IT! LYNCH HIM!

He seemed out of it before the question was even asked. Too much weed?
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9/11/2012 4:23:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 4:20:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Acting out of the ordinary =/= HE KNEW ALL ABOUT IT! LYNCH HIM!

He seemed out of it before the question was even asked. Too much weed?

come on, you don't believe its possible for the government to lie to the american people.
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9/11/2012 4:27:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
A serious lie is fundamentally unsustainable...especially when dealt to a global audience, in an age where vast quantities of information can be disseminated in seconds. Where there compelling evidence toward conspiracy theories and sufficient clues, it would be difficult for the lie to stay hidden.
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9/11/2012 4:27:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 4:23:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/11/2012 4:20:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Acting out of the ordinary =/= HE KNEW ALL ABOUT IT! LYNCH HIM!

He seemed out of it before the question was even asked. Too much weed?

come on, you don't believe its possible for the government to lie to the american people.

Oh, come off it.

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9/11/2012 4:29:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Alex Jones destroyed the official 9/11 story today on XM radio. I previously didn't believe in the 9/11 conspiracy, but Alex Jones blew it wide open.

Building 7 being one of the most obvious lies.

http://www.examiner.com...
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9/11/2012 4:29:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
What radical and asinine bandwagon won't you join?
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9/11/2012 4:36:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 4:27:34 PM, 000ike wrote:
A serious lie is fundamentally unsustainable...especially when dealt to a global audience, in an age where vast quantities of information can be disseminated in seconds. Where there compelling evidence toward conspiracy theories and sufficient clues, it would be difficult for the lie to stay hidden.

"At some level of the government, at some point in time"there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened."
-- John Farmer (9/11 Commission Chairman)

"Farmer builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version not only is almost entirely untrue but serves to create a false impression of order and security."
-- Houghton Mifflin Harcourt

""Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon"s initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate."
-- http://www.washingtonpost.com...

"I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described ". The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years."
-- John Farmer (9/11 Commission Chairman)
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http://www.infowars.com...

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9/11/2012 4:55:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 4:36:53 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/11/2012 4:27:34 PM, 000ike wrote:
A serious lie is fundamentally unsustainable...especially when dealt to a global audience, in an age where vast quantities of information can be disseminated in seconds. Where there compelling evidence toward conspiracy theories and sufficient clues, it would be difficult for the lie to stay hidden.

"At some level of the government, at some point in time"there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened."
-- John Farmer (9/11 Commission Chairman)

"Farmer builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version not only is almost entirely untrue but serves to create a false impression of order and security."
-- Houghton Mifflin Harcourt

""Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon"s initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate."
-- http://www.washingtonpost.com...

"I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described ". The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years."
-- John Farmer (9/11 Commission Chairman)
http://www.washingtonpost.com...

http://www.infowars.com...

Yaaay original sources.
I mean source, the same Washington one was used twice and the infowars just quotes the washington source.

To be quite frank, though, it seems to agree with the OP. It shows very clearly how a lie was attempted to make it seem better than it is, and fell flat on its face.
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9/11/2012 4:59:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 4:23:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/11/2012 4:20:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Acting out of the ordinary =/= HE KNEW ALL ABOUT IT! LYNCH HIM!

He seemed out of it before the question was even asked. Too much weed?

come on, you don't believe its possible for the government to lie to the american people.

Lie to the American people =/= allow thousands of Americans to be massacred
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9/11/2012 5:05:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 4:59:00 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/11/2012 4:23:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/11/2012 4:20:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Acting out of the ordinary =/= HE KNEW ALL ABOUT IT! LYNCH HIM!

He seemed out of it before the question was even asked. Too much weed?

come on, you don't believe its possible for the government to lie to the american people.

Lie to the American people =/= allow thousands of Americans to be massacred

I hate to defend DK or anything that comes out of his mouth, but your style of arguing is so annoying that I have to say something.

That's not actually what he argued. No one (except Geo) thinks that the government deliberately let those people die, but rather that they're covering up massive amounts of negligence that would put their administration in permanent infamy.
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9/11/2012 5:08:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Obviously the Bush administration knew about the probability of 9/11 beforehand, obviously it was exactly what the neocons were looking for, obviously they used it to justify the kind of foreign policy that neocons had been actively seeking to implement for years. Here are the facts:

1) Bush administration was warned repeatedly by intelligence agencies like the CIA that Al Qaeda, led by Osama Bin Laden, was planning to carry out a terrorist operation very soon (the warnings being in 2001) and that it would lead to massive casualties. This much is literally undeniable at this point. The Bush administration dismissed these warnings, and no precautions were taken.

Proof - http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://obrag.org...

2) 9/11 served as the catalyst for the Bush administration to finally implement the Bush/Wolfowitz doctrine in foreign policy, which neoconservatives were itching to do for years. Bush's foreign policy was controlled by prominent neoconservatives, like Wolfowitz and Cheney and Rumsfeld. The Project For A New American Century, a neoconservative think tank with which Wolfowitz, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were all directly associated, released a publication in 1997 in which they wrote "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event""like a new Pearl Harbor." The transformation they're talking about is American global hegemony, full spectrum dominance of the nations on earth, and specifically invading Iraq and toppling Saddam.

Last fall CBS News obtained meeting notes taken by a Rumsfeld aide at 2:40 on the afternoon of September 11, 2001. The notes indicate that Rumsfeld wanted the "best info fast. Judge whether good enough hit S.H. [Saddam Hussein] at same time. Not only UBL [Usama bin Laden].... Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not."

From the beginning, the administration desperately tried to sell the propaganda pie that there was a strong connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam, and therefore between 9/11 and Saddam. This is all very well documented.

3) The Bush administration was known for its consistent dishonesty/inaccuracy in the realm of foreign policy, particularly in regards to selling the war in Iraq but also in all areas of politics.

So when you consider that the neoconservative Bush administration was looking for a pretext for implementing a radically interventionist, hegemony motivated foreign policy, and that they were warned about 9/11 months in advance, and that they have been known to lie to the nation about very important national security matters, it's obvious that they had advanced knowledge of the attacks.
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9/11/2012 5:13:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 5:05:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
I hate to defend DK or anything that comes out of his mouth, but your style of arguing is so annoying that I have to say something.

That's not actually what he argued. No one (except Geo) thinks that the government deliberately let those people die, but rather that they're covering up massive amounts of negligence that would put their administration in permanent infamy.

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta testified in Washington D.C. that Cheney told NORAD to stand down.
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9/11/2012 5:15:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 5:05:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/11/2012 4:59:00 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/11/2012 4:23:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/11/2012 4:20:28 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Acting out of the ordinary =/= HE KNEW ALL ABOUT IT! LYNCH HIM!

He seemed out of it before the question was even asked. Too much weed?

come on, you don't believe its possible for the government to lie to the american people.

Lie to the American people =/= allow thousands of Americans to be massacred

I hate to defend DK or anything that comes out of his mouth, but your style of arguing is so annoying that I have to say something.

That's not actually what he argued. No one (except Geo) thinks that the government deliberately let those people die, but rather that they're covering up massive amounts of negligence that would put their administration in permanent infamy.

There is a lot of evidence that the Bush administration was repeatedly warned by the CIA and even in the top secret, daily Presidential brief (this one later declassified) that Al Qaeda was planning an attack in NYC, and that there would be dire consequences in terms of human life. Before 9/11, Bush had advanced knowledge about an attack to soon be carried out by Al Qaeda/Bin Laden in NYC. I feel like Bush should have looked into that situation a little more. I mean, the administration was so paranoid and obsessed with the non-threatening country that it was imperative to invade it in a full scale war... But when they're warned about an imminent attack by terrorists on American soil, they not only don't use military force to counter it, they dismiss the danger entirely and simply ignore it.

Does that make any sense if the Bush administration really cared about defending Americans from terrorism as much as it claimed?

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9/11/2012 5:29:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 5:13:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:05:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
I hate to defend DK or anything that comes out of his mouth, but your style of arguing is so annoying that I have to say something.

That's not actually what he argued. No one (except Geo) thinks that the government deliberately let those people die, but rather that they're covering up massive amounts of negligence that would put their administration in permanent infamy.

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta testified in Washington D.C. that Cheney told NORAD to stand down.


Why does this Myth still live on when it is so blatantly and obviously false? Did you even listen to what he was talking about or did you just hear "the order stands" and tune out to everything else?

The order Mineta was referring to is given in the first few seconds of the clip and clearly was to shoot down planes suspected of being hijacked by terrorists. Cheney stated "of course the order still stands". That is direct evidence against conspiracy, not for it
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9/11/2012 5:31:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 5:29:59 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:13:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:05:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
I hate to defend DK or anything that comes out of his mouth, but your style of arguing is so annoying that I have to say something.

That's not actually what he argued. No one (except Geo) thinks that the government deliberately let those people die, but rather that they're covering up massive amounts of negligence that would put their administration in permanent infamy.

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta testified in Washington D.C. that Cheney told NORAD to stand down.


Why does this Myth still live on when it is so blatantly and obviously false? Did you even listen to what he was talking about or did you just hear "the order stands" and tune out to everything else?

The order Mineta was referring to is given in the first few seconds of the clip and clearly was to shoot down planes suspected of being hijacked by terrorists. Cheney stated "of course the order still stands". That is direct evidence against conspiracy, not for it

Whoa, you haven't been on the forums in ages. welcome back
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9/11/2012 5:44:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I like this Geolaureate person, he likes to think outside the box and bases his positions on logic and reasoning.

9/11 was undoubtedly a procedure perpetuated by the U.S government to massacre 3000 people.
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9/11/2012 5:45:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 5:31:07 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:29:59 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:13:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:05:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
I hate to defend DK or anything that comes out of his mouth, but your style of arguing is so annoying that I have to say something.

That's not actually what he argued. No one (except Geo) thinks that the government deliberately let those people die, but rather that they're covering up massive amounts of negligence that would put their administration in permanent infamy.

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta testified in Washington D.C. that Cheney told NORAD to stand down.


Why does this Myth still live on when it is so blatantly and obviously false? Did you even listen to what he was talking about or did you just hear "the order stands" and tune out to everything else?

The order Mineta was referring to is given in the first few seconds of the clip and clearly was to shoot down planes suspected of being hijacked by terrorists. Cheney stated "of course the order still stands". That is direct evidence against conspiracy, not for it

Whoa, you haven't been on the forums in ages. welcome back

Thx. And wow this place looks different.
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9/11/2012 5:47:25 PM
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At 9/11/2012 5:45:32 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:31:07 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:29:59 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:13:35 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:05:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
I hate to defend DK or anything that comes out of his mouth, but your style of arguing is so annoying that I have to say something.

That's not actually what he argued. No one (except Geo) thinks that the government deliberately let those people die, but rather that they're covering up massive amounts of negligence that would put their administration in permanent infamy.

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta testified in Washington D.C. that Cheney told NORAD to stand down.


Why does this Myth still live on when it is so blatantly and obviously false? Did you even listen to what he was talking about or did you just hear "the order stands" and tune out to everything else?

The order Mineta was referring to is given in the first few seconds of the clip and clearly was to shoot down planes suspected of being hijacked by terrorists. Cheney stated "of course the order still stands". That is direct evidence against conspiracy, not for it

Whoa, you haven't been on the forums in ages. welcome back

Thx. And wow this place looks different.

It actually just changed yesterday.....still hoping Juggle will bring the sidbar back, but I like the new look. Looks newer.

And your title for DDO should be Double_R: Here to rape all conspiracies.
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9/11/2012 5:52:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 5:29:59 PM, Double_R wrote:
Why does this Myth still live on when it is so blatantly and obviously false? Did you even listen to what he was talking about or did you just hear "the order stands" and tune out to everything else?

The order Mineta was referring to is given in the first few seconds of the clip and clearly was to shoot down planes suspected of being hijacked by terrorists. Cheney stated "of course the order still stands". That is direct evidence against conspiracy, not for it

Hahahaha, FALSE.

"During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President"the plane is 50 miles out"the plane is 30 miles out".and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president "do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?
Mineta confirmed his statements with reporters, saying "When I overheard something about 'the orders still stand' and so, what I thought of was that they had already made the decision to shoot something down."
Norman Mineta made it clear to reporters-- who verified his quotes in written text alongside him-- that Mineta was indeed talking about a stand down order"not"to shoot down hijacked aircraft headed for the Pentagon."
-- http://www.jonesreport.com...

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9/11/2012 6:13:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 5:52:59 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:29:59 PM, Double_R wrote:
Why does this Myth still live on when it is so blatantly and obviously false? Did you even listen to what he was talking about or did you just hear "the order stands" and tune out to everything else?

The order Mineta was referring to is given in the first few seconds of the clip and clearly was to shoot down planes suspected of being hijacked by terrorists. Cheney stated "of course the order still stands". That is direct evidence against conspiracy, not for it

Hahahaha, FALSE.

"During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President"the plane is 50 miles out"the plane is 30 miles out".and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president "do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?
Mineta confirmed his statements with reporters, saying "When I overheard something about 'the orders still stand' and so, what I thought of was that they had already made the decision to shoot something down."
Norman Mineta made it clear to reporters-- who verified his quotes in written text alongside him-- that Mineta was indeed talking about a stand down order"not"to shoot down hijacked aircraft headed for the Pentagon."
-- http://www.jonesreport.com...

Without hindsight as to what would have happened if the planes had crashed, would you seriously, as a President, order the shooting down of three (?) commercial aircrafts with civilians on board? Your election chances would be screwed.
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9/11/2012 6:15:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 4:29:04 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Alex Jones destroyed the official 9/11 story today on XM radio. I previously didn't believe in the 9/11 conspiracy, but Alex Jones blew it wide open.

Building 7 being one of the most obvious lies.

http://www.examiner.com...
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9/11/2012 6:18:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 5:44:48 PM, MattDescopa wrote:
I like this Geolaureate person, he likes to think outside the box and bases his positions on logic and reasoning.

9/11 was undoubtedly a procedure perpetuated by the U.S government to massacre 3000 people.

Okay, if you're so certain, start a debate on it. You won't win :)
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9/11/2012 6:19:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/11/2012 6:18:09 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:44:48 PM, MattDescopa wrote:
I like this Geolaureate person, he likes to think outside the box and bases his positions on logic and reasoning.

9/11 was undoubtedly a procedure perpetuated by the U.S government to massacre 3000 people.

Okay, if you're so certain, start a debate on it. You won't win

against you?

read my other debates, you'll get a taste of my abilities and talent.
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9/11/2012 6:22:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Lol.
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9/11/2012 6:35:57 PM
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At 9/11/2012 5:52:59 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/11/2012 5:29:59 PM, Double_R wrote:
Why does this Myth still live on when it is so blatantly and obviously false? Did you even listen to what he was talking about or did you just hear "the order stands" and tune out to everything else?

The order Mineta was referring to is given in the first few seconds of the clip and clearly was to shoot down planes suspected of being hijacked by terrorists. Cheney stated "of course the order still stands". That is direct evidence against conspiracy, not for it

Hahahaha, FALSE.

"During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President"the plane is 50 miles out"the plane is 30 miles out".and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president "do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?
Mineta confirmed his statements with reporters, saying "When I overheard something about 'the orders still stand' and so, what I thought of was that they had already made the decision to shoot something down."
Norman Mineta made it clear to reporters-- who verified his quotes in written text alongside him-- that Mineta was indeed talking about a stand down order"not"to shoot down hijacked aircraft headed for the Pentagon."
-- http://www.jonesreport.com...

Geo, listen to the interview he gave. Mineta never stated anything whatsoever about a stand down order. The quote you are referring to was him backtracking to make it clear that the shoot down order was a general order not directed at a specific target. If you continue to listen to the interview he makes it clear why he backtracked; it was to ensure that there was no impression left that they had ordered the shoot down of flight 93 in PA. He goes onto detail about how they all looked at each other when hearing about the crash concerned about whether it was them or not who caused the plane to go down.