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9/16/2012 5:20:26 AM
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Thinking stops where ideology begins. Don't constrain yourself with a label. You can have opinion without rooting for a team.
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9/16/2012 5:34:11 AM
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At 9/16/2012 5:20:26 AM, FREEDO wrote:
Thinking stops where ideology begins. Don't constrain yourself with a label. You can have opinion without rooting for a team.

I agree with that statement for instrumental purposes, however, there are times when labels are ok. There's a difference between prescriptive labels and descriptive labels. Most people get entrapped inside prescriptive labels because they try to conform to the label and and let the label tell them what they believe.

However, the acceptable use of a label is when it's used for descriptive purposes. Those times when asked about what you think, you need ways to describe your views on a matter. For practical purposes I'd say that I'm a Libertarian Totalitarian, but I also draw from Geoism/Geolibertarianism (no relation to my name), Holarchy, Resource-Based Economics etc.

But none of those labels confine me or "prescribe" to me what I believe, but rather they serve to describe to others what I believe.
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9/16/2012 9:33:46 AM
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I agree with Geobrah. Labels are fine if your purpose is simply to describe what you actually believe, but people too often try to conform to whatever their own label supports. That being said, a description of my political beliefs would include: anarchism (obviously), thick libertarianism, and neo-mutualism (more Tuckerite than Proudhonian with Carson being the closest modern mutualist to my beliefs).
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9/16/2012 10:58:52 AM
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Geo<3, take me!

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9/16/2012 11:20:49 AM
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At 9/16/2012 10:58:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Geo<3, take me!

Mix up Rothbard, David Friedman, Molyneux, live Jazz, spontaneity, and hippies.

You like Molyneux? Gross.
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9/16/2012 11:27:41 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Moderate Libertarian (right wing)

Though, I am not bound entirely within any one label, as I do support gov't making you save for your retirement (unless you want to opt out-- you should be free to do so), and I think that some clean air regulations are a good idea.
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9/16/2012 12:20:01 PM
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At 9/16/2012 11:20:49 AM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/16/2012 10:58:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Geo<3, take me!

Mix up Rothbard, David Friedman, Molyneux, live Jazz, spontaneity, and hippies.

You like Molyneux? Gross.

Yeah, he's a great writer/speaker on teh ideaz of liberty. Have you read Practical Anarchy?
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9/16/2012 12:20:47 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:20:01 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/16/2012 11:20:49 AM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/16/2012 10:58:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Geo<3, take me!

Mix up Rothbard, David Friedman, Molyneux, live Jazz, spontaneity, and hippies.

You like Molyneux? Gross.

Yeah, he's a great writer/speaker on teh ideaz of liberty. Have you read Practical Anarchy?

A while ago. The only thing I really like about him is that he's a pretty good debater. Those are always fun to watch.
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9/16/2012 12:23:31 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:20:47 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:20:01 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/16/2012 11:20:49 AM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/16/2012 10:58:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Geo<3, take me!

Mix up Rothbard, David Friedman, Molyneux, live Jazz, spontaneity, and hippies.

You like Molyneux? Gross.

Yeah, he's a great writer/speaker on teh ideaz of liberty. Have you read Practical Anarchy?

A while ago. The only thing I really like about him is that he's a pretty good debater. Those are always fun to watch.

Yeah, he rhetorically raped the Libertarian Minarchist dude who was the Porcupine's candidate one year. What don't you like about him (besides always calling himself a philosopher)?
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9/16/2012 12:24:15 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:23:31 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:20:47 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:20:01 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/16/2012 11:20:49 AM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/16/2012 10:58:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Geo<3, take me!

Mix up Rothbard, David Friedman, Molyneux, live Jazz, spontaneity, and hippies.

You like Molyneux? Gross.

Yeah, he's a great writer/speaker on teh ideaz of liberty. Have you read Practical Anarchy?

A while ago. The only thing I really like about him is that he's a pretty good debater. Those are always fun to watch.

Yeah, he rhetorically raped the Libertarian Minarchist dude who was the Porcupine's candidate one year. What don't you like about him (besides always calling himself a philosopher)?

His theory of ethics I suppose.
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9/16/2012 12:26:02 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:24:15 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:23:31 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:20:47 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:20:01 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/16/2012 11:20:49 AM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/16/2012 10:58:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Geo<3, take me!

Mix up Rothbard, David Friedman, Molyneux, live Jazz, spontaneity, and hippies.

You like Molyneux? Gross.

Yeah, he's a great writer/speaker on teh ideaz of liberty. Have you read Practical Anarchy?

A while ago. The only thing I really like about him is that he's a pretty good debater. Those are always fun to watch.

Yeah, he rhetorically raped the Libertarian Minarchist dude who was the Porcupine's candidate one year. What don't you like about him (besides always calling himself a philosopher)?

His theory of ethics I suppose.

What about it? What I've heard him say is that after the death of religion, people kind of become more hedonistic and solipsistic, and without principle people maintain that. He basically calls the state immoral because everything they do is backed up by violence.
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9/16/2012 12:33:48 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:26:02 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:24:15 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:23:31 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:20:47 PM, socialpinko wrote:

A while ago. The only thing I really like about him is that he's a pretty good debater. Those are always fun to watch.

Yeah, he rhetorically raped the Libertarian Minarchist dude who was the Porcupine's candidate one year. What don't you like about him (besides always calling himself a philosopher)?

His theory of ethics I suppose.

What about it? What I've heard him say is that after the death of religion, people kind of become more hedonistic and solipsistic, and without principle people maintain that. He basically calls the state immoral because everything they do is backed up by violence.

I'm referring to his UPB, theory of universally preferable behavior. It's sort of a watered down version of Hoppe's argumentation ethics except not as well thought out or philosophically convincing.
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9/16/2012 12:37:03 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:33:48 PM, socialpinko wrote:

I'm referring to his UPB, theory of universally preferable behavior. It's sort of a watered down version of Hoppe's argumentation ethics except not as well thought out or philosophically convincing.

Okay, but why does that have to affect the most important aspects of what he advocates, making you think he is "gross?"
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9/16/2012 12:39:37 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:37:03 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:33:48 PM, socialpinko wrote:

I'm referring to his UPB, theory of universally preferable behavior. It's sort of a watered down version of Hoppe's argumentation ethics except not as well thought out or philosophically convincing.

Okay, but why does that have to affect the most important aspects of what he advocates, making you think he is "gross?"

Lol I didn't use the word literally. I just mean that I don't find him very philosophically appealing. He's great at showing people that ordinary accounts of morality, when consistently applied, lead to anarchism but his actual grounding of his ethics just seems rather shallow to me.
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9/16/2012 12:47:57 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:39:37 PM, socialpinko wrote:

Lol I didn't use the word literally. I just mean that I don't find him very philosophically appealing. He's great at showing people that ordinary accounts of morality, when consistently applied, lead to anarchism but his actual grounding of his ethics just seems rather shallow to me.

In response to "what's your political ideology?" I included Molyneux. When asked why you disliked him, you mentioned only the profundity and veracity of his ethics. Don't you think your previous comment was kind of unnecessary because of the title of this thread?
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9/16/2012 12:49:16 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:42:11 PM, Mirza wrote:
Conservative, right-wing.

I thought you were a Muslim? Right-wing conservatives enjoy killing Muslims more than any other political affiliation. Maybe you're one of those ideological sadomasochists. Hmm...
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9/16/2012 12:51:09 PM
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At 9/16/2012 4:48:41 AM, DontTreadOnMe wrote:
I know on you're profile it says it but its is very limited.

Me, Moderate - Right or Libertarianism

dude youre one of the most libertarian people on here, dont kid yourself
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9/16/2012 12:51:47 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:47:57 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:39:37 PM, socialpinko wrote:

Lol I didn't use the word literally. I just mean that I don't find him very philosophically appealing. He's great at showing people that ordinary accounts of morality, when consistently applied, lead to anarchism but his actual grounding of his ethics just seems rather shallow to me.

In response to "what's your political ideology?" I included Molyneux. When asked why you disliked him, you mentioned only the profundity and veracity of his ethics. Don't you think your previous comment was kind of unnecessary because of the title of this thread?

when did I say that about his ethics? I said his theory of ethics (UPB) is shallow and unpersuasive. Showing that the State steals and kills (in opposition to common sense morality) isn't the same as having a legitimate ethical theory seeing as I see both to be unpersuasive.
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9/16/2012 12:52:07 PM
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As for me Im a solid liberal with a few conservative leanings on a few issues who supports the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan even though we should have gotten the f*ck out of there a long time ago.
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9/16/2012 12:52:34 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:51:09 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/16/2012 4:48:41 AM, DontTreadOnMe wrote:
I know on you're profile it says it but its is very limited.

Me, Moderate - Right or Libertarianism

dude youre one of the most libertarian people on here, dont kid yourself

He's not an anarchist so not really. Any anarchist is more libertarian than a minarchist.
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9/16/2012 12:52:50 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:49:16 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I thought you were a Muslim? Right-wing conservatives
Does the OP ask for my political ideology or group? You don't know the difference maybe, but I associate myself with conservatism as a political philosophy, not as a group of people.

enjoy killing Muslims more than any other political affiliation. Maybe you're one of those ideological sadomasochists. Hmm...
Keep telling yourself that Ma'am.
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9/16/2012 12:54:05 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:49:16 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:42:11 PM, Mirza wrote:
Conservative, right-wing.

I thought you were a Muslim? Right-wing conservatives enjoy killing Muslims more than any other political affiliation. Maybe you're one of those ideological sadomasochists. Hmm...

I don't think Mirza is American so he's probably using the term more to mean "slow to change" or the more orthodox meanings of conservatism (i.e., opposite of liberalism meaning favoring change).
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9/16/2012 1:17:06 PM
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At 9/16/2012 4:48:41 AM, DontTreadOnMe wrote:
I know on you're profile it says it but its is very limited.

Me, Moderate - Right or Libertarianism

Classic Liberal aka right wing libertarian
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9/16/2012 1:24:10 PM
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At 9/16/2012 12:52:50 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/16/2012 12:49:16 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I thought you were a Muslim? Right-wing conservatives
Does the OP ask for my political ideology or group? You don't know the difference maybe, but I associate myself with conservatism as a political philosophy, not as a group of people.

Conservative in what political context?

enjoy killing Muslims more than any other political affiliation. Maybe you're one of those ideological sadomasochists. Hmm...
Keep telling yourself that Ma'am.
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9/16/2012 1:41:56 PM
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Moderate right-wing libertarian. (Though I could see myself becoming more authoritarian.)
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