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9/17/2012 10:51:12 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
How to Save the Presidential Debates from being Snoozefests

"There"s only one way to save the presidential debates from degenerating into boring snoozefests: Put (Governor) Gary Johnson in them."

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"HAWAII, July 23, 2012 " The most savvy thing that America"s TV networks could possibly do this year is to promote Gary Johnson with the intent of placing him in at least one, if not all of the Fall presidential debates. Such a move would almost certainly drive viewership and interest in the debates to stratospheric levels, and Johnson"s penchant for snappy redirects and crowd-winning zingers would be the kind of fan service that scratches the itch for spontaneous, unscripted reality TV.
America got a taste of Johnson"s flair during his candidacy as a Republican, first when he released on YouTube an edited video of him participating a debate he had been excluded from, then later when he was included in the Florida debate and delivered a knockout quip about how "my next door neighbor"s two dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than this president."


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9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
No.
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9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?
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9/17/2012 5:43:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?

He's polling around 4-5%. Not horrible for 3rd party candidate.
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9/17/2012 5:44:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:43:10 PM, Contra wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?

He's polling around 4-5%. Not horrible for 3rd party candidate.

I doubt, severely, he will get 4-5% off the vote. And even if he does, it's not enough to get a him a debate spot.
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9/17/2012 5:44:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:43:10 PM, Contra wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?

He's polling around 4-5%. Not horrible for 3rd party candidate.

That's amazing, not "not horrible."
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9/17/2012 5:47:19 PM
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Not going to happen. Seriously guys, the Republican party might still be salvageable for libertarians. The way that the American system is set up really precludes the possibility of more than 2 parties except in very rare circumstances and even then they never win. You are WAYYYY better served by trying to save the Republican party before the Fascist/bigot Christians completely take it over...and now that Ron Paul is retiring, tick tock. Time is running out and stupidly advocating Gary Johnsons candidacy is counter intuitive to spreading libertarian ideals
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9/17/2012 5:47:49 PM
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Anyone who admires "Johnson's penchant for snappy redirects and crowd-winning zingers" has not heard him speak. He is a boring speaker. He throws bones to dedicated libertarians for sure, but he doesn't deal with practical political issues.
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9/17/2012 5:48:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?

Isn't that exactly why he needs to be in the debates? He's the only one who will offer any actual debate. God forbid people find out there's actually a real choice out there.
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9/17/2012 5:51:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:47:19 PM, thett3 wrote:
Not going to happen. Seriously guys, the Republican party might still be salvageable for libertarians. The way that the American system is set up really precludes the possibility of more than 2 parties except in very rare circumstances and even then they never win. You are WAYYYY better served by trying to save the Republican party before the Fascist/bigot Christians completely take it over...and now that Ron Paul is retiring, tick tock. Time is running out and stupidly advocating Gary Johnsons candidacy is counter intuitive to spreading libertarian ideals

The youth of this country has really become displeased with the two party system and many of them have become infatuated with the libertarian party (call me cheesy but go to Omegle and scroll down to the bottom). Once this generation of youth gets into their prime, it's completely possible that there will be a three party system.
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9/17/2012 5:52:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:48:59 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?

Isn't that exactly why he needs to be in the debates? He's the only one who will offer any actual debate. God forbid people find out there's actually a real choice out there.

Even if he got every channel, in the US, to run ads on him from now until the election, people still wouldn't vote for him. Roughly three months before the election, most of the US has made up their mind. Very few are that are gonna vote are undecided. Also, using that logic, Vermin Supreme, and all the other candidates who don't have any chance of getting even a half a percentage should be in the debates.
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9/17/2012 5:53:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:51:08 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:47:19 PM, thett3 wrote:
Not going to happen. Seriously guys, the Republican party might still be salvageable for libertarians. The way that the American system is set up really precludes the possibility of more than 2 parties except in very rare circumstances and even then they never win. You are WAYYYY better served by trying to save the Republican party before the Fascist/bigot Christians completely take it over...and now that Ron Paul is retiring, tick tock. Time is running out and stupidly advocating Gary Johnsons candidacy is counter intuitive to spreading libertarian ideals

The youth of this country has really become displeased with the two party system and many of them have become infatuated with the libertarian party (call me cheesy but go to Omegle and scroll down to the bottom). Once this generation of youth gets into their prime, it's completely possible that there will be a three party system.

I disagree, it's far more likely that libertarianism will be absorbed into the republican party just as social liberalism (far left) was absorbed by the democratic party in the 60's. But hey, I would absolutely love to be wrong here. A libertarian president? That would be amazing.
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9/17/2012 5:53:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:52:25 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:48:59 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?

Isn't that exactly why he needs to be in the debates? He's the only one who will offer any actual debate. God forbid people find out there's actually a real choice out there.

Even if he got every channel, in the US, to run ads on him from now until the election, people still wouldn't vote for him. Roughly three months before the election, most of the US has made up their mind. Very few are that are gonna vote are undecided. Also, using that logic, Vermin Supreme, and all the other candidates who don't have any chance of getting even a half a percentage should be in the debates.

3-4>.5

Right?
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9/17/2012 5:53:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:51:08 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:47:19 PM, thett3 wrote:
Not going to happen. Seriously guys, the Republican party might still be salvageable for libertarians. The way that the American system is set up really precludes the possibility of more than 2 parties except in very rare circumstances and even then they never win. You are WAYYYY better served by trying to save the Republican party before the Fascist/bigot Christians completely take it over...and now that Ron Paul is retiring, tick tock. Time is running out and stupidly advocating Gary Johnsons candidacy is counter intuitive to spreading libertarian ideals

The youth of this country has really become displeased with the two party system and many of them have become infatuated with the libertarian party (call me cheesy but go to Omegle and scroll down to the bottom). Once this generation of youth gets into their prime, it's completely possible that there will be a three party system.

I doubt it. For one, not that many people really know about it that much. I suspect it's a fad. Would be cool I suppose, but I really doubt their gonna get that much momentum.
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9/17/2012 5:53:51 PM
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At 9/17/2012 5:47:49 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Anyone who admires "Johnson's penchant for snappy redirects and crowd-winning zingers" has not heard him speak. He is a boring speaker. He throws bones to dedicated libertarians for sure, but he doesn't deal with practical political issues.

He doesn't deal with practical political issues? Is that code for he's not a lying, pandering, bought and paid for snake like the other two candidates running?
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9/17/2012 5:54:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:53:33 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:52:25 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:48:59 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?

Isn't that exactly why he needs to be in the debates? He's the only one who will offer any actual debate. God forbid people find out there's actually a real choice out there.

Even if he got every channel, in the US, to run ads on him from now until the election, people still wouldn't vote for him. Roughly three months before the election, most of the US has made up their mind. Very few are that are gonna vote are undecided. Also, using that logic, Vermin Supreme, and all the other candidates who don't have any chance of getting even a half a percentage should be in the debates.

3-4>.5

Right?

And, where are you getting that number? Polls? Yeah, cause those people are really gonna vote.
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9/17/2012 5:56:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:54:49 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:53:33 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:52:25 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:48:59 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?

Isn't that exactly why he needs to be in the debates? He's the only one who will offer any actual debate. God forbid people find out there's actually a real choice out there.

Even if he got every channel, in the US, to run ads on him from now until the election, people still wouldn't vote for him. Roughly three months before the election, most of the US has made up their mind. Very few are that are gonna vote are undecided. Also, using that logic, Vermin Supreme, and all the other candidates who don't have any chance of getting even a half a percentage should be in the debates.

3-4>.5

Right?

And, where are you getting that number? Polls? Yeah, cause those people are really gonna vote.

haha polls? Where do you want the numbers from? hah
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9/17/2012 5:56:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:53:17 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:51:08 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:47:19 PM, thett3 wrote:
Not going to happen. Seriously guys, the Republican party might still be salvageable for libertarians. The way that the American system is set up really precludes the possibility of more than 2 parties except in very rare circumstances and even then they never win. You are WAYYYY better served by trying to save the Republican party before the Fascist/bigot Christians completely take it over...and now that Ron Paul is retiring, tick tock. Time is running out and stupidly advocating Gary Johnsons candidacy is counter intuitive to spreading libertarian ideals

The youth of this country has really become displeased with the two party system and many of them have become infatuated with the libertarian party (call me cheesy but go to Omegle and scroll down to the bottom). Once this generation of youth gets into their prime, it's completely possible that there will be a three party system.

I disagree, it's far more likely that libertarianism will be absorbed into the republican party just as social liberalism (far left) was absorbed by the democratic party in the 60's. But hey, I would absolutely love to be wrong here. A libertarian president? That would be amazing.

Yes, I can really see social liberal values and the discouragement of war be absorbed in a Christian fascist reactionary party.
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9/17/2012 5:57:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:54:49 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:53:33 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:52:25 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:48:59 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?

Isn't that exactly why he needs to be in the debates? He's the only one who will offer any actual debate. God forbid people find out there's actually a real choice out there.

Even if he got every channel, in the US, to run ads on him from now until the election, people still wouldn't vote for him. Roughly three months before the election, most of the US has made up their mind. Very few are that are gonna vote are undecided. Also, using that logic, Vermin Supreme, and all the other candidates who don't have any chance of getting even a half a percentage should be in the debates.

3-4>.5

Right?

And, where are you getting that number? Polls? Yeah, cause those people are really gonna vote.

That's is the stupidest thing that you have said.
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9/17/2012 5:58:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:56:43 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:54:49 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:53:33 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:52:25 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:48:59 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?

Isn't that exactly why he needs to be in the debates? He's the only one who will offer any actual debate. God forbid people find out there's actually a real choice out there.

Even if he got every channel, in the US, to run ads on him from now until the election, people still wouldn't vote for him. Roughly three months before the election, most of the US has made up their mind. Very few are that are gonna vote are undecided. Also, using that logic, Vermin Supreme, and all the other candidates who don't have any chance of getting even a half a percentage should be in the debates.

3-4>.5

Right?

And, where are you getting that number? Polls? Yeah, cause those people are really gonna vote.

haha polls? Where do you want the numbers from? hah

He trend that is shown since, I dunno, the founding of this country?
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9/17/2012 5:59:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:57:33 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:54:49 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:53:33 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:52:25 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:48:59 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?

Isn't that exactly why he needs to be in the debates? He's the only one who will offer any actual debate. God forbid people find out there's actually a real choice out there.

Even if he got every channel, in the US, to run ads on him from now until the election, people still wouldn't vote for him. Roughly three months before the election, most of the US has made up their mind. Very few are that are gonna vote are undecided. Also, using that logic, Vermin Supreme, and all the other candidates who don't have any chance of getting even a half a percentage should be in the debates.

3-4>.5

Right?

And, where are you getting that number? Polls? Yeah, cause those people are really gonna vote.

That's is the stupidest thing that you have said.

You really think he is gonna get 3-4%? Really?
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9/17/2012 5:59:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Everybody go to Omegle and scroll down. I accidentally went on the website yesterday and it's pretty amazing.
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9/17/2012 6:00:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:59:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:57:33 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:54:49 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:53:33 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:52:25 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:48:59 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:56:51 AM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/17/2012 10:55:46 AM, OberHerr wrote:
No.

Though, I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but how many people in the US actually know about him, let alone are gonna vote for him? 0.5%? MAYBE 1%?

Isn't that exactly why he needs to be in the debates? He's the only one who will offer any actual debate. God forbid people find out there's actually a real choice out there.

Even if he got every channel, in the US, to run ads on him from now until the election, people still wouldn't vote for him. Roughly three months before the election, most of the US has made up their mind. Very few are that are gonna vote are undecided. Also, using that logic, Vermin Supreme, and all the other candidates who don't have any chance of getting even a half a percentage should be in the debates.

3-4>.5

Right?

And, where are you getting that number? Polls? Yeah, cause those people are really gonna vote.

That's is the stupidest thing that you have said.

You really think he is gonna get 3-4%? Really?

I think what the polls think.
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9/17/2012 6:07:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:56:58 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:53:17 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:51:08 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:47:19 PM, thett3 wrote:
Not going to happen. Seriously guys, the Republican party might still be salvageable for libertarians. The way that the American system is set up really precludes the possibility of more than 2 parties except in very rare circumstances and even then they never win. You are WAYYYY better served by trying to save the Republican party before the Fascist/bigot Christians completely take it over...and now that Ron Paul is retiring, tick tock. Time is running out and stupidly advocating Gary Johnsons candidacy is counter intuitive to spreading libertarian ideals

The youth of this country has really become displeased with the two party system and many of them have become infatuated with the libertarian party (call me cheesy but go to Omegle and scroll down to the bottom). Once this generation of youth gets into their prime, it's completely possible that there will be a three party system.

I disagree, it's far more likely that libertarianism will be absorbed into the republican party just as social liberalism (far left) was absorbed by the democratic party in the 60's. But hey, I would absolutely love to be wrong here. A libertarian president? That would be amazing.

Yes, I can really see social liberal values and the discouragement of war be absorbed in a Christian fascist reactionary party.

I could have easily said the same thing about Christian fascists before they took over
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: thett was right
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9/17/2012 6:07:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 6:07:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:56:58 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:53:17 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:51:08 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:47:19 PM, thett3 wrote:
Not going to happen. Seriously guys, the Republican party might still be salvageable for libertarians. The way that the American system is set up really precludes the possibility of more than 2 parties except in very rare circumstances and even then they never win. You are WAYYYY better served by trying to save the Republican party before the Fascist/bigot Christians completely take it over...and now that Ron Paul is retiring, tick tock. Time is running out and stupidly advocating Gary Johnsons candidacy is counter intuitive to spreading libertarian ideals

The youth of this country has really become displeased with the two party system and many of them have become infatuated with the libertarian party (call me cheesy but go to Omegle and scroll down to the bottom). Once this generation of youth gets into their prime, it's completely possible that there will be a three party system.

I disagree, it's far more likely that libertarianism will be absorbed into the republican party just as social liberalism (far left) was absorbed by the democratic party in the 60's. But hey, I would absolutely love to be wrong here. A libertarian president? That would be amazing.

Yes, I can really see social liberal values and the discouragement of war be absorbed in a Christian fascist reactionary party.

I could have easily said the same thing about Christian fascists before they took over

The ideology was always there- they just became more prevalent in the party.
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9/17/2012 6:10:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 6:07:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 6:07:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:56:58 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:53:17 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:51:08 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/17/2012 5:47:19 PM, thett3 wrote:
Not going to happen. Seriously guys, the Republican party might still be salvageable for libertarians. The way that the American system is set up really precludes the possibility of more than 2 parties except in very rare circumstances and even then they never win. You are WAYYYY better served by trying to save the Republican party before the Fascist/bigot Christians completely take it over...and now that Ron Paul is retiring, tick tock. Time is running out and stupidly advocating Gary Johnsons candidacy is counter intuitive to spreading libertarian ideals

The youth of this country has really become displeased with the two party system and many of them have become infatuated with the libertarian party (call me cheesy but go to Omegle and scroll down to the bottom). Once this generation of youth gets into their prime, it's completely possible that there will be a three party system.

I disagree, it's far more likely that libertarianism will be absorbed into the republican party just as social liberalism (far left) was absorbed by the democratic party in the 60's. But hey, I would absolutely love to be wrong here. A libertarian president? That would be amazing.

Yes, I can really see social liberal values and the discouragement of war be absorbed in a Christian fascist reactionary party.

I could have easily said the same thing about Christian fascists before they took over

The ideology was always there- they just became more prevalent in the party.

That's probably true, but can't the same be said about libertarians today? Although I admit they have virtually no influence
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right
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9/17/2012 6:29:11 PM
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I believe that Libertarianism will eventually be adopted by the United States and perhaps anarchy in a couple of centuries, since the world seems to be moving rapidly in the direction of freedom and opportunistic egalitarianism,...likely due to global unification and communication in fast travel, internet etc.

However, Libertarianism will never gain traction because the Libertarians were compelling salespeople. Never. It will occur when more people see it as a solution to their problems and it is a more inviting option, and eventually it will, as Malcom Gladwell would say, "tip" and cause a political revolution.
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9/20/2012 6:43:21 PM
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At 9/17/2012 6:29:11 PM, 000ike wrote:
I believe that Libertarianism will eventually be adopted by the United States and perhaps anarchy in a couple of centuries, since the world seems to be moving rapidly in the direction of freedom and opportunistic egalitarianism,...likely due to global unification and communication in fast travel, internet etc.

However, Libertarianism will never gain traction because the Libertarians were compelling salespeople. Never. It will occur when more people see it as a solution to their problems and it is a more inviting option, and eventually it will, as Malcom Gladwell would say, "tip" and cause a political revolution.

Pretty much. I mean a lot of what Ron Paul says I get and agree with (and a whole lost more I disagree with) but he's a terrible speaker. I guess that's the price for substance then right? You can't be right AND sound good at the same time. Obama is supposed to be an awesome orator while Paul is just some old guy talking.
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9/20/2012 6:56:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/17/2012 5:47:49 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Anyone who admires "Johnson's penchant for snappy redirects and crowd-winning zingers" has not heard him speak. He is a boring speaker. He throws bones to dedicated libertarians for sure,

False. He initially comes off as boring but he actually grows on you and is very likable. He got elected governor multiple times in a predominantly Democrat blue state.

He's also articulate and the fact that he brings up Libertarian issues is exciting in itself.

but he doesn't deal with practical political issues.

Completely and utterly false. He's the only one of the three who deals with practical political issues.
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