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9/19/2012 9:52:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I am currently undecided. In this thread, people from both sides will argue for their candidate and try to convince me.
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9/19/2012 9:59:57 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Romney: Drone killing innocents, military aggression against Iran, no substantial changes to the Federal Reserve, War on Drugs, no substantial reductions of the deficit, continued gov. expenditures growth, etc.

Obama: Drone killing innocents, military aggression against Iran, no substantial changes to the Federal Reserve, War on Drugs, no substantial reductions of the deficit, continued gov. expenditures growth, etc.

Tough choice...

Oh but wait Obama is a nice guy and look he's such an eloquent speaker hurr durr. On the other hand Romney was a businezz man and he totes knows how to do business and stuffs. Ahh gettin' wrapped up in dat electoral politics!!
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9/19/2012 10:06:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 9:52:11 AM, 1dustpelt wrote:
I am currently undecided. In this thread, people from both sides will argue for their candidate and try to convince me.

Vote Libertarian for liberty.
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9/19/2012 10:07:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Your age says you're 99, so I can only assume you're 14. It's nice to try to learn about politics but you should really be focusing on high school right now.
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9/19/2012 10:09:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 10:06:43 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 9/19/2012 9:52:11 AM, 1dustpelt wrote:
I am currently undecided. In this thread, people from both sides will argue for their candidate and try to convince me.

Vote Libertarian for liberty.

Wait, can you even vote?
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9/19/2012 10:13:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Going off your Big Issues on your profile I would say you should vote republican.

I don't see how you could be undecided after reading those.
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9/19/2012 10:14:33 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 10:07:15 AM, Maikuru wrote:
Your age says you're 99, so I can only assume you're 14. It's nice to try to learn about politics but you should really be focusing on high school right now.

I dropped out of school. Best choice I ever made.
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9/19/2012 10:15:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 10:14:33 AM, MouthWash wrote:
At 9/19/2012 10:07:15 AM, Maikuru wrote:
Your age says you're 99, so I can only assume you're 14. It's nice to try to learn about politics but you should really be focusing on high school right now.

I dropped out of school. Best choice I ever made.

Um yesterday you were saying that you had a high IQ, and you deserved respect???
This does not sound smart to me......
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9/19/2012 10:17:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 10:14:33 AM, MouthWash wrote:
At 9/19/2012 10:07:15 AM, Maikuru wrote:
Your age says you're 99, so I can only assume you're 14. It's nice to try to learn about politics but you should really be focusing on high school right now.

I dropped out of school. Best choice I ever made.

lol, would you stop with this?
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9/19/2012 10:28:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 9:52:11 AM, 1dustpelt wrote:
I am currently undecided. In this thread, people from both sides will argue for their candidate and try to convince me.

Gov. Gary Johnson - Superb track record, excellent human rights record (http://www.aclulibertywatch.org... ), and has a sensible plan to lower the deficit, balance the budget, etc. http://www.garyjohnson2012.com...
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9/19/2012 10:45:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Well for starters, if you want your vote to actually count you should stay away from third parties since in this election most of them wont even get 2% of the vote, including Gary Johnson.

Second, The two candidates are very different regarding social issues such as abortion, gay marriage, birth control, etc so if you are socially liberal or socially conservative, you are dealing with two candidates who are exact opposites.

Thirdly, you may want to consider which state you live in. If your state almost always votes Democrat or Republican, then your vote may not even have the potential to change anything. If you live in a swing state like I do (Florida) then your vote goes a long way in deciding the election, whereas if you live in some place like Arizona or Nebraska (long time Republican strongholds) then your vote has pretty much already been decided.
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9/19/2012 10:49:39 AM
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Actually dustpelt, since you live in Texas (A long time Republican stronghold) your vote probably wont mean much no matter who you vote for, so at this point you might as well vote for Romney to be with the popular kids :P
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9/19/2012 10:53:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Since your vote doesn't really matter anyway, you might as well vote for Gary Johnson.
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9/19/2012 12:35:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 10:45:51 AM, imabench wrote:
Well for starters, if you want your vote to actually count you should stay away from third parties since in this election most of them wont even get 2% of the vote, including Gary Johnson.

The problem is that when people stop saying this, then these minorities gets votes, but when you keep saying this, minorities never get the votes, and the problem continues. If you want to vote, don't vote arbitrarily for which candidate is worse, but use your vote to vote for a third candidate. A much better and much more important vote.
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9/19/2012 3:04:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 12:35:59 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 9/19/2012 10:45:51 AM, imabench wrote:
Well for starters, if you want your vote to actually count you should stay away from third parties since in this election most of them wont even get 2% of the vote, including Gary Johnson.

The problem is that when people stop saying this, then these minorities gets votes, but when you keep saying this, minorities never get the votes, and the problem continues. If you want to vote, don't vote arbitrarily for which candidate is worse, but use your vote to vote for a third candidate. A much better and much more important vote.

That in the end isnt going to make a damn difference

If youre going to back a third candidate, then back someone who actually has a chance of winning. Ross Perot was the last third party candidate who actually made a difference (Got almost 20% of the vote in 1992 compared to the .4% that Libertarians had in 2008) and he had a much more legit shot at winning since he centered around issues that most moderates could relate to instead of distant factions of political beliefs. Third party candidates these days are very fringe and there is no way in hell they could win because the only people they do appeal to outside their own party are people who simply are p*ssed off at the other two major parties.

If the driving force behind why people support a third party is based more on spite then appeal to undecided voters, then it says a lot about how disorganized they are and how their chances of making a difference are close to zero.

So Dustpelt, you live in Texas which is going to vote Republican no matter what you do, so you can throw your vote into whichever trashcan you want, but dont throw it into the libertarian trash can because they claim "it will truly make a statement" because the reality is, it doesnt, not in any state.
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9/19/2012 3:22:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 9:52:11 AM, 1dustpelt wrote:
I am currently undecided. In this thread, people from both sides will argue for their candidate and try to convince me.

You should vote for someone, because otherwise the person who least shares your views might get elected. No candidate will share 100% of your political views.
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9/19/2012 3:27:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 3:22:43 PM, DanT wrote:
At 9/19/2012 9:52:11 AM, 1dustpelt wrote:
I am currently undecided. In this thread, people from both sides will argue for their candidate and try to convince me.

You should vote for someone, because otherwise the person who least shares your views might get elected. No candidate will share 100% of your political views.

^ Completely true
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9/19/2012 3:50:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Obamney: Global fascist dictator, print trillions, love inflation, spy drones in America, multiple wars, continue Drug War, drone strikes, killing innocent civilians, destroy Internet freedoms, assassinate Americans, detain indefinitely with no trial, Patriot Act, eugenics, and shedding the Constitution.

Gary Johnson: Liberty, practical solutions, respecting the Constitution, end all wars, abolish IRS, end Drug War, sound economics, ending inflation, and diplomatic relations.
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9/19/2012 3:54:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 3:50:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Obamney: Global fascist dictator, print trillions, love inflation, spy drones in America, multiple wars, continue Drug War, drone strikes, killing innocent civilians, destroy Internet freedoms, assassinate Americans, detain indefinitely with no trial, Patriot Act, eugenics, and shedding the Constitution.

Gary Johnson: Liberty, practical solutions, respecting the Constitution, end all wars, abolish IRS, end Drug War, sound economics, ending inflation, and diplomatic relations. Also un-electable.

You missed one.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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9/19/2012 3:56:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 10:07:15 AM, Maikuru wrote:
Your age says you're 99, so I can only assume you're 14. It's nice to try to learn about politics but you should really be focusing on high school right now.

You do realize that it is possible to get good grades in high school and also be politically aware right? In fact, knowing about economics, politics, and all the other stuff that people discuss here is extremely important, and it's something that most kids my age are encouraged to be ignorant of so that they can be easily manipulated. I'm not saying that that's what you're doing, but I'd never discourage a young person from caring about politics.
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9/19/2012 4:07:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 3:54:26 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
You missed one.

He is asking who he should vote for, not who is getting elected.

If Obamney is already going to be guaranteed to win, then voting for Obamney is a wasted vote. Thats like putting turbo boosters on the racecar thats already in the lead. If you really want to make a difference, give the car in 2nd place a boost and make a REAL change and an actual effort to do something good and worthwhile.

Nobody on the entire planet can give me ONE good reason why I should waste my time and vote for Obamney.
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9/19/2012 4:08:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 4:07:40 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:54:26 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
You missed one.

He is asking who he should vote for, not who is getting elected.

If Obamney is already going to be guaranteed to win, then voting for Obamney is a wasted vote. Thats like putting turbo boosters on the racecar thats already in the lead. If you really want to make a difference, give the car in 2nd place a boost and make a REAL change and an actual effort to do something good and worthwhile.

Nobody on the entire planet can give me ONE good reason why I should waste my time and vote for Obamney.

False premise that there is no difference between Obama and Romney.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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9/19/2012 4:20:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 4:08:39 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
False premise that there is no difference between Obama and Romney.

Stance on Patriot Act: Same
Stance on Drug War: Same
Stance on Drones: Same
Stance on Civil Liberties: Same
Stance on War and Interventionism: Same
Stance on Nationalized Healthcare: Same
Stance on NDAA: Same
Stance on Patriot Act: Same
Stance on Foreign Aid: Same
Stance on Internet Freedoms: Same
Stance on Federal Reserve: Same
Stance on IRS: Same
Stance on Civil Liberties: Same
Stance on Spying on Americans: Same
Rhetoric: Different

And don't come at me with gay marriage and abortion either. Those two issues are like a fly in the ear of someone about to crash the titanic into an iceburg.

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9/19/2012 4:24:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
1 - I don't think their stances are the same on all of those.

2 - Having some of the same stances doesn't mean they are the same on all stances. The economy is vital right now, and they are very different there.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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9/19/2012 5:52:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 4:24:36 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
1 - I don't think their stances are the same on all of those.

Prepare to be disappointed.

2 - Having some of the same stances doesn't mean they are the same on all stances. The economy is vital right now, and they are very different there.

Stance on the Federal Reserve: Same
Stance on Abolishing Income Tax: Same
Stance on Foreign Aid: Same
Stance on the IRS: Same
Stance on TARP: Same
Stance on Devaluing the Dollar: Same
Stance on Gold/Silver Standard: Same

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9/19/2012 6:01:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There is no real democracy in the U.S and there is no choice.

Choosing between republican and democrat is like choosing between Pepsi and Coke. Yup there is a real choice there.....
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9/19/2012 6:07:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 10:45:51 AM, imabench wrote:
Well for starters, if you want your vote to actually count you should stay away from third parties since in this election most of them wont even get 2% of the vote, including Gary Johnson.

psh millions of people vote, you're vote isn't going to count no matter what.
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9/19/2012 7:38:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 5:52:57 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:24:36 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
1 - I don't think their stances are the same on all of those.

Prepare to be disappointed.

So, if I can pick one, and show that they don't agree, you will concede?

2 - Having some of the same stances doesn't mean they are the same on all stances. The economy is vital right now, and they are very different there.

Stance on the Federal Reserve: Same
Stance on Abolishing Income Tax: Same

Stance on taxes: Different. Did you know that EVERY candidate is against abolishing all government!>!>???!?? THEY ARE ALL THE SAME ZOMGGG!

Stance on Foreign Aid: Same

Not so sure on that.

Stance on the IRS: Same

Not really. Romney wants to simplify the tax code, which would reduce the IRS.

Stance on TARP: Same
Stance on Devaluing the Dollar: Same
Stance on Gold/Silver Standard: Same
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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9/20/2012 10:02:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 7:38:37 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 9/19/2012 5:52:57 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Prepare to be disappointed.

So, if I can pick one, and show that they don't agree, you will concede?

No, because I'm not speaking in absolutist terms. They are essentially the same, they simply have irrelevant nuances that don't make a real difference and don't change anything.

Stance on the Federal Reserve: Same
Stance on Abolishing Income Tax: Same

Stance on taxes: Different. Did you know that EVERY candidate is against abolishing all government!>!>???!?? THEY ARE ALL THE SAME ZOMGGG!

Neither one wants to abolish income tax.

Stance on Foreign Aid: Same

Not so sure on that.

They both support giving money overseas.

Stance on the IRS: Same

Not really. Romney wants to simplify the tax code, which would reduce the IRS.

Lol @ simplify the tax code. That is so vague it's meaningless. Neither one will abolish the IRS.

Stance on TARP: Same
Stance on Devaluing the Dollar: Same
Stance on Gold/Silver Standard: Same

Again, the same on these issues.

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