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9/19/2012 3:24:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
http://news.yahoo.com...

Apparently some new study shows that 75% of Americans feel they have little to nothing in common with Romney, with only 19% saying they have something in common while 5% say they have a lot in common with him. But the same study also shows that 59% of people have little to nothing in common with Obama, with 25% saying they have something in common while 14% say they have a lot in common.

Other interesting stats in the study shows what opinions people have of who would they think would be better off under which candidate. (Upper, middle, and lower class)

57% People think the lower class would be better off under Obama (30% say Romney)
48% People think the middle class would be better off under Obama (38% say Romney)
And 62% of people think that the upper class would be better off under Romney (only 23% say Obama)

When asked about taxation on those making more then $250,000 a year
44% believe its too low
28% says its about right
12% say its too high
(16% had no opinion)

When people were asked who would they trust more to make a decision to commit the US to war, 46% Trust Obama more compared to 37% who trust Romney more. (2% said trust both equally, 5% said neither, the rest had no opinion)

Interestingly though, when people were asked who they think Al-Qaeda would fear more, 37% said Obama, but 39% said Romney (13% said neither, 16% had no opinion)
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9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...
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9/19/2012 3:45:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Compare 2008 to 2012 and you can clearly see that they dont know what they are talking about.
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9/19/2012 4:02:24 PM
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At 9/19/2012 3:45:36 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Compare 2008 to 2012 and you can clearly see that they dont know what they are talking about.

They enter data based on the actions of the person. Obama's actions during his term showed him to be further right and authoritarian than he had acted before. Namely his military actions.
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9/19/2012 4:43:01 PM
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If only white people said that they have something in common with Romney because of his skin colour...
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9/19/2012 4:46:56 PM
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At 9/19/2012 4:43:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
If only white people said that they have something in common with Romney because of his skin colour...

You don't have evidence they don't
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9/19/2012 4:49:20 PM
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At 9/19/2012 3:45:36 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Compare 2008 to 2012 and you can clearly see that they dont know what they are talking about.

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9/19/2012 4:58:52 PM
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At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Is Gary Johnson not entirely out of place on that chart?
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9/19/2012 6:34:53 PM
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At 9/19/2012 4:46:56 PM, MattDescopa wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:43:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
If only white people said that they have something in common with Romney because of his skin colour...

You don't have evidence they don't

Oh you... and your silly disproving a negative..
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9/19/2012 6:38:56 PM
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At 9/19/2012 4:58:52 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Is Gary Johnson not entirely out of place on that chart?

Like I said, it's based on actions. No libertarian politician, no matter how radical, has actually been able to enact the types of changes that they push for. You have to view the chart from an American point of view, which entails moving the middle ground from the center up towards authoritarianism.
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9/19/2012 6:43:17 PM
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At 9/19/2012 4:02:24 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:45:36 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Compare 2008 to 2012 and you can clearly see that they dont know what they are talking about.

They enter data based on the actions of the person. Obama's actions during his term showed him to be further right and authoritarian than he had acted before. Namely his military actions.

Which would make him more authoritarian, but not more right-wing on the economic scale. What actions has Obama done that shows he supports capitalism that's different from before?
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9/19/2012 6:49:14 PM
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At 9/19/2012 6:43:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:02:24 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:45:36 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Compare 2008 to 2012 and you can clearly see that they dont know what they are talking about.

They enter data based on the actions of the person. Obama's actions during his term showed him to be further right and authoritarian than he had acted before. Namely his military actions.

Which would make him more authoritarian, but not more right-wing on the economic scale. What actions has Obama done that shows he supports capitalism that's different from before?

Militarism is right wing. Keynesian economics is centrist. He talks like a leftist, and makes promises to leftists, but in practice he is not very liberal.
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9/19/2012 6:51:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 6:49:14 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:43:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:02:24 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:45:36 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Compare 2008 to 2012 and you can clearly see that they dont know what they are talking about.

They enter data based on the actions of the person. Obama's actions during his term showed him to be further right and authoritarian than he had acted before. Namely his military actions.

Which would make him more authoritarian, but not more right-wing on the economic scale. What actions has Obama done that shows he supports capitalism that's different from before?

Militarism is right wing. Keynesian economics is centrist. He talks like a leftist, and makes promises to leftists, but in practice he is not very liberal.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com...
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9/19/2012 6:59:33 PM
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At 9/19/2012 6:34:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:46:56 PM, MattDescopa wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:43:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
If only white people said that they have something in common with Romney because of his skin colour...

You don't have evidence they don't

Oh you... and your silly disproving a negative..
http://www.infidels.org...

enlighten yourself, you are clearly in a more primitve way of thinking.
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9/19/2012 7:59:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 6:59:33 PM, MattDescopa wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:34:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:46:56 PM, MattDescopa wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:43:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
If only white people said that they have something in common with Romney because of his skin colour...

You don't have evidence they don't

Oh you... and your silly disproving a negative..
http://www.infidels.org...


enlighten yourself, you are clearly in a more primitve way of thinking.

Disproving a negative requires you to give benefit of the doubt to the statement.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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9/19/2012 8:03:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 6:49:14 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:43:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:02:24 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:45:36 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Compare 2008 to 2012 and you can clearly see that they dont know what they are talking about.

They enter data based on the actions of the person. Obama's actions during his term showed him to be further right and authoritarian than he had acted before. Namely his military actions.

Which would make him more authoritarian, but not more right-wing on the economic scale. What actions has Obama done that shows he supports capitalism that's different from before?

Militarism is right wing. Keynesian economics is centrist. He talks like a leftist, and makes promises to leftists, but in practice he is not very liberal.

No it isn't. Militarism is on the authoritarian scale, not the economic scale.

Governor Johnson is incredibly ring-wing economically. Same with Ron Paul. Both are rightists and anti-military intervention.
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9/19/2012 8:05:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 7:59:21 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:59:33 PM, MattDescopa wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:34:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:46:56 PM, MattDescopa wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:43:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
If only white people said that they have something in common with Romney because of his skin colour...

You don't have evidence they don't

Oh you... and your silly disproving a negative..
http://www.infidels.org...


enlighten yourself, you are clearly in a more primitve way of thinking.

Disproving a negative requires you to give benefit of the doubt to the statement.

so you wer wrong. Admit your uninformedness.
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9/19/2012 8:07:59 PM
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At 9/19/2012 8:05:31 PM, MattDescopa wrote:
At 9/19/2012 7:59:21 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:59:33 PM, MattDescopa wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:34:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:46:56 PM, MattDescopa wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:43:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
If only white people said that they have something in common with Romney because of his skin colour...

You don't have evidence they don't

Oh you... and your silly disproving a negative..
http://www.infidels.org...


enlighten yourself, you are clearly in a more primitve way of thinking.

Disproving a negative requires you to give benefit of the doubt to the statement.

so you wer wrong. Admit your uninformedness.

How was I wrong? Try to avoid posting links and actually give me an argument.
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9/19/2012 8:55:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 6:51:00 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:49:14 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:43:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:02:24 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:45:36 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Compare 2008 to 2012 and you can clearly see that they dont know what they are talking about.

They enter data based on the actions of the person. Obama's actions during his term showed him to be further right and authoritarian than he had acted before. Namely his military actions.

Which would make him more authoritarian, but not more right-wing on the economic scale. What actions has Obama done that shows he supports capitalism that's different from before?

Militarism is right wing. Keynesian economics is centrist. He talks like a leftist, and makes promises to leftists, but in practice he is not very liberal.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com...

Come on, if you actually look at what he has done, his economic footprint is that of a standard liberal, and his military footprint is that of a hardcore conservative. I'm not denying that he makes himself out to be a hardcore liberal, but my point is that what he has ACTUALLY DONE tells a different story. Healthcare is obviously a liberal pursuit, but not radical.
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9/19/2012 9:03:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 8:55:50 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:51:00 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:49:14 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:43:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:02:24 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:45:36 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Compare 2008 to 2012 and you can clearly see that they dont know what they are talking about.

They enter data based on the actions of the person. Obama's actions during his term showed him to be further right and authoritarian than he had acted before. Namely his military actions.

Which would make him more authoritarian, but not more right-wing on the economic scale. What actions has Obama done that shows he supports capitalism that's different from before?

Militarism is right wing. Keynesian economics is centrist. He talks like a leftist, and makes promises to leftists, but in practice he is not very liberal.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com...

Come on, if you actually look at what he has done, his economic footprint is that of a standard liberal, and his military footprint is that of a hardcore conservative. I'm not denying that he makes himself out to be a hardcore liberal, but my point is that what he has ACTUALLY DONE tells a different story. Healthcare is obviously a liberal pursuit, but not radical.

Exactly. The chart shows that he's more on the economic right then before. Even though he hasn't become more right economically. You stated yourself he has an economic footprint of a standard liberal.
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9/19/2012 10:45:21 PM
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At 9/19/2012 8:55:50 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:51:00 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:49:14 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:43:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:02:24 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:45:36 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Compare 2008 to 2012 and you can clearly see that they dont know what they are talking about.

They enter data based on the actions of the person. Obama's actions during his term showed him to be further right and authoritarian than he had acted before. Namely his military actions.

Which would make him more authoritarian, but not more right-wing on the economic scale. What actions has Obama done that shows he supports capitalism that's different from before?

Militarism is right wing. Keynesian economics is centrist. He talks like a leftist, and makes promises to leftists, but in practice he is not very liberal.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com...

Come on, if you actually look at what he has done, his economic footprint is that of a standard liberal, and his military footprint is that of a hardcore conservative. I'm not denying that he makes himself out to be a hardcore liberal, but my point is that what he has ACTUALLY DONE tells a different story. Healthcare is obviously a liberal pursuit, but not radical.

Militarism= Authoritarian=Y axis

Economic liberalism= Left-wing=X axis
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9/20/2012 12:03:30 AM
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At 9/19/2012 10:45:21 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

Militarism= Authoritarian=Y axis

Economic liberalism= Left-wing=X axis

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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9/20/2012 3:22:19 PM
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At 9/19/2012 8:03:32 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:49:14 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 6:43:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 9/19/2012 4:02:24 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:45:36 PM, imabench wrote:
At 9/19/2012 3:43:30 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Now you're starting to get it! They're both disconnected authoritarians.

Surely you've seen charts http://www.politicalcompass.org...

Compare 2008 to 2012 and you can clearly see that they dont know what they are talking about.

They enter data based on the actions of the person. Obama's actions during his term showed him to be further right and authoritarian than he had acted before. Namely his military actions.

Which would make him more authoritarian, but not more right-wing on the economic scale. What actions has Obama done that shows he supports capitalism that's different from before?

Militarism is right wing. Keynesian economics is centrist. He talks like a leftist, and makes promises to leftists, but in practice he is not very liberal.

No it isn't. Militarism is on the authoritarian scale, not the economic scale.

Governor Johnson is incredibly ring-wing economically. Same with Ron Paul. Both are rightists and anti-military intervention.

I assumed that military intervention was considered on the right-left axis, but now that you've pointed that out about Paul and Johnson I can see that it wouldn't make sense. In that case, yes the chart is flawed in Obama's case as far as right-left goes, but he's definitely authoritarian.
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9/20/2012 9:26:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/19/2012 3:24:27 PM, imabench wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com...

Apparently some new study shows that 75% of Americans feel they have little to nothing in common with Romney, with only 19% saying they have something in common while 5% say they have a lot in common with him. But the same study also shows that 59% of people have little to nothing in common with Obama, with 25% saying they have something in common while 14% say they have a lot in common.

Other interesting stats in the study shows what opinions people have of who would they think would be better off under which candidate. (Upper, middle, and lower class)

57% People think the lower class would be better off under Obama (30% say Romney)
48% People think the middle class would be better off under Obama (38% say Romney)
And 62% of people think that the upper class would be better off under Romney (only 23% say Obama)

When asked about taxation on those making more then $250,000 a year
44% believe its too low
28% says its about right
12% say its too high
(16% had no opinion)

When people were asked who would they trust more to make a decision to commit the US to war, 46% Trust Obama more compared to 37% who trust Romney more. (2% said trust both equally, 5% said neither, the rest had no opinion)

Interestingly though, when people were asked who they think Al-Qaeda would fear more, 37% said Obama, but 39% said Romney (13% said neither, 16% had no opinion)

Are you surprised? Both of these guys made over $1 million last year, you know, the 1% people. How can you have anything in common with someone like that?